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By the way, I'd forgotten what a sharp scraper is like. The new ones made short work of removing the wax, getting more off with less pressure than I need to use with my usual half-sharp scrapers, and that greatly reduced the amount of brushing I had to do. In fact, it all went so fast that roto-brushing now seems completely unnecessary--so long as I have sharp scrapers.

Which creates a conundrum. I'd like to wait until @rhygin does his thing, but now that I've seen the difference the condition of my scraper makes to one of my favorite activities I'm kinda in a hurry to resolve this. My palm router arrives on Monday, and I'll spend some time fooling around with a basic single-purpose fence, but if I can't get it together quickly I need to decide whether to hit up Wild Rose for a box full of scrapers or drop $160 for a Mantac. That's a big investment for someone who's only waxing a couple pairs of skis every week or two, especially considering that I doubt I'd spend nearly that much on scrapers for the whole season if I tossed them (or gave them away) as soon as they got dull.

Sigh.

How many scrapers do you already have?  I'll never have to buy a scraper again!

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By the way, I'd forgotten what a sharp scraper is like. The new ones made short work of removing the wax, getting more off with less pressure than I need to use with my usual half-sharp scrapers, and that greatly reduced the amount of brushing I had to do. In fact, it all went so fast that roto-brushing now seems completely unnecessary--so long as I have sharp scrapers.


Which creates a conundrum. I'd like to wait until @rhygin does his thing, but now that I've seen the difference the condition of my scraper makes to one of my favorite activities I'm kinda in a hurry to resolve this. My palm router arrives on Monday, and I'll spend some time fooling around with a basic single-purpose fence, but if I can't get it together quickly I need to decide whether to hit up Wild Rose for a box full of scrapers or drop $160 for a Mantac. That's a big investment for someone who's only waxing a couple pairs of skis every week or two, especially considering that I doubt I'd spend nearly that much on scrapers for the whole season if I tossed them (or gave them away) as soon as they got dull.


Sigh.
How many scrapers do you already have?  I'll never have to buy a scraper again!
Four, but none of them were 1/4" thick!
post #123 of 127

Team, I avoided this thread for a while bc I had nothing positive to say, but can no longer resist. When I was being taught how to tune at ~13 in Mt. Hood by this bad ass J1 who went on to ski for Dartmouth I asked: "Is scraping really necessary? Its such a pain and the wax never comes off..." He looked at me like -- "listen you little twerp, grow a pair" -- but said... "Dude just get after it." 

 

In short: 1) get a nice scraper (Swix thicker one is great, but any thicker one works), 2) sharpen scraper with a panzer file before you scrape, 3) get after it, I can do a good job standing outside my apt in the cold in like 3min per ski with no vices... 4) when possible, steal other nice scrapers from other people.... (sure pt4 is a bit dick, but the fact is that people always accidentally leave stuff around race team tuning benches... and.... everyone does it.... even the coaches haha)

post #124 of 127

Scraping outside is my go to move for anything but a precision race tune.  Resting the tail of the ski in an emesis basin (puke bucket) or sand pail collects the (semi toxic) scrapings (for the landfill where they belong.....?).

 

Swix sells a mountable scraper sharpener.  Not too expensive and works great.  Don't forget to clean it periodically.  

 

Going to get some hate for this but....you CANNOT ski the excess wax of your bases.  Get after it, you spoon chested, spaghetti armed, worm sperm.   Scrape and brush those things so smooth and slick that the Virgin Mary herself would be proud to take a run on your skis.  

 

And don't steal scrapers.  That is begging for Bad Karma.  

post #125 of 127
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Scraping outside is my go to move for anything but a precision race tune.  Resting the tail of the ski in an emesis basin (puke bucket) or sand pail collects the (semi toxic) scrapings (for the landfill where they belong.....?).

 

Swix sells a mountable scraper sharpener.  Not too expensive and works great.  Don't forget to clean it periodically.  

 

Going to get some hate for this but....you CANNOT ski the excess wax of your bases.  Get after it, you spoon chested, spaghetti armed, worm sperm.   Scrape and brush those things so smooth and slick that the Virgin Mary herself would be proud to take a run on your skis.  

 

And don't steal scrapers.  That is begging for Bad Karma.  


You funny!

post #126 of 127
A few nights ago I tried sharpening scrapers with a piece of 120 grit drywall screen I bought last season. I used quick clamps to hold it down along the edge of my tuning setup under a piece of 2x2 pine, loosening the clamps to move the screen and expose fresh areas as it clogged up. I stood in front of it so I could hold the scraper with both hands against the far side of the 2x2 to make sure it stayed straight against the wood and keep even downward pressure, and reversed it as I went to sharpen both sides of each edge.

The results on my 1/4" scrapers didn't completely suck. The edges aren't nearly as crisp as when they were new, but compared to the hand-held Toko scraper or the Xact 3-in-1 with panzer file that was recommended elsewhere but which was too large for me to hold securely, the edges were sharper, straighter, and more consistent. Pieces of the drywall screen's abrasive and plastic scrapings coming off the screen while cleaning the screen got into everything nearby, so next time I'll completely clear off the bench. I'm also going to look for a nice piece of 2x2 hardwood with square edges to substitute for the pine, which has typical rough rounded corners that probably allow the scraper to rock just a little bit.

I haven't used a bench-mounted sharpener, but I suspect that the drywall screen combined with something--even just a block of wood--to keep the scraper at a consistent angle is the best way to sharpen a scraper short if you can't deal with the cost of a Mantac. Coarse sandpaper probably does exactly the same thing.
post #127 of 127
I use fine sandpaper myself, but I do have to keep moving it.
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