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post #1 of 23
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I have probably checked every single thread on these skis on this forum and really there is tons of good info. But then everyone's situation could be unique so I am asking a question hoping this is not a repeat question. 

 

About me - 6'1, 185 lbs, 32 year old and Intermediate skier on the way to Advance. I can handle Black diamonds in CO/UT but I am not master on them and I totally suck at Moguls/Bumps. Dont think I can call myself an aggressive skier. In fact I feel the skis take me for/on a ride sometimes :)

But then I am very passionate at Skiing and I have made a huge progress coming this far in very short time, starting skiing at 30 and having skiied for like 20 days since then.

 

Where I ski - Midwest. At Perfect North slopes in Indiana (400 ft. Elevation) and mostly man-made snow but last winter, there was good fresh snow (nothing like powder though)

 

What I already have:

Head Oblivion 180 (feels stable in park, helping me learn those jumps, alright All-mountain but not so good in midwest IMO, especially in hard icy snow, its struggles to get a grip)

K2 Rictor Amp 181 (Havent tried it yet, just arrived from ebay)

 

What I need : 

Getting a good deal on Blizzard 8.0 Ti vs CA vs 8.5 Ti ($347-365)

I also see Magnum Cross IQ  with IQ LT 10 Bindings at surprisingly low price $227, but its only 170 mm long.

 

Going by all the threads it looks like 8.0 Ti could be a good choice for me since I can keep Rictor/Oblivion for CO/UT trips. So primarily need one here for midwest, hence narrower underfoot. 

 

For my height/weight/skills.. is 179 cm Ti is good choice or should I go for 179 cm CA? If I want to master something ... that would be bumps/Moguls and trees. I demo'ed 180 Bramha last year at UT and they felt like they were made keeping me in the mind :) But then not sure if that would be a good choice for midwest considering I already own two other 90 mm skis. 

 

Or should I save some money and try out Cross IQ which is 170 mm?

post #2 of 23

Congratulations on falling into a great sport, and on making so much progress so fast!

 

For saving money - tune the skis you have, try the Rictor, and see how it goes.

 

For ski recommendations, you've got three that you like - demo them all on the same day and buy the one you like best.

 

How many days/season are you getting out, and what's the split for local/western?

post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 

Ahh well, there is no possiblity of Demo here! Somewhere in March they have one day of Demo from Rossingnol and thats expensive. A little more and I can buy a ski from ebay in that price. I could probably demo them during CO trip around TG, but them I will be demoing them in a condition in which I wont be skiing them often so not sure if Demo would be best choice. I mean, if its west, I would go for Brahma without a second thought. 

 

I am already checking tuning101 and will start doing that this year. 

 

Last year, I managed to get like 6-8 days out of the season and 4 days in PCMR-UT trip. Usual split would be 10 days in midwest and 5 day trip in the west going forward.

post #4 of 23
Bliz 8.0 CA in 179 would be my pick for you. The 8.0 Ti is a fairly stout ski.
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by Jay Kavathe View Post
 

 I could probably demo them during CO trip around TG, but them I will be demoing them in a condition in which I wont be skiing them often so not sure if Demo would be best choice.

 

You should take the opportunity to demo anyway.   Presumably you will have your Rictors ready and skiable by then and will have a chance to figure out where you want to go in future purchases.

 

At this point, in your shoes, I would leave off eBay and put as much money into getting more and more and more snow days.    If it's a money choice between an eBay purchase and a 2-day  trip, go ski.    This will improve your tactics and improve your feel for skis.   DO NOT buy skis that you will not have time to use.

 

I see you've been to Snowshoe and Tline.   Any interest in NASTAR?

post #6 of 23
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You should take the opportunity to demo anyway. I see you've been to Snowshoe and Tline.   Any interest in NASTAR?

 

I will keep that in mind. Probably dont buy Magnum yet. Do you think Rictor 90 would be able to handle Midwest icy conditions fairly well? 

If yes.. then I can certainly wait longer or even next year to get my Blizzards. 

 

(What is NASTAR? (will google anyways). I have been two Snowshoe twice and that was some experience. Left Friday afternoon at 3:00 from work, drove 9 hours, skiied Sat/Sun and drove back 9 hours on Sunday to get back to work on Monday. Being an Indian I struggle to find a good company for regular skiing here in my town)

post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by Jay Kavathe View Post
 
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post
 

 

You should take the opportunity to demo anyway. I see you've been to Snowshoe and Tline.   Any interest in NASTAR?

 

. Do you think Rictor 90 would be able to handle Midwest icy conditions fairly well? 

If yes.. then I can certainly wait longer or even next year to get my Blizzards.

 

Well enough - by that I mean as well as most other skis that will be at the mountain on that day.   

The NASTAR question was to gauge your interest in technical skiing vs. tactical (bumps, trees &c) skiing.     If you have an interest in skiing of the type where *how* you turn (including the sensations you create thereby) is as much fun as *where*, then you will soon come to want a technical ski.     A technical ski will do far better than your Rictors on anything icy.    

Then Rossi's suggestion is a pretty good way to start.      There are others, of course.    One of the important criteria is to not buy too long and too stiff, or you'll never be able to get the ski to lock into a carve under your weight, let alone be able to modulate the shape of the turn once the ski is engaged.    Don't be a macho shopper <- that's a general guideline: almost all guys new to racing do it before they are spanked into knowing better.

 

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 Left Friday afternoon at 3:00 from work, drove 9 hours, skiied Sat/Sun and drove back 9 hours on Sunday to get back to work on Monday.


Well, you're on the right website.    I do the same thing, except to NY, VT, NH.  :D

 

post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

 

One of the important criteria is to not buy too long and too stiff, or you'll never be able to get the ski to lock into a carve under your weight, let alone be able to modulate the shape of the turn once the ski is engaged.    Don't be a macho shopper <- that's a general guideline: almost all guys new to racing do it before they are spanked into knowing better.

 

From this and from other guy who said CA above here....

 

I am getting a feel that 8.0 TI would need someone more aggressive than me and stiffness wise 8.0CA would be a better choice for me. Is that a fairly good assumption?

Also being 186cm taller and 185 lbs, I always assumed 180 is a good length for me and me and 172 etc might be too short for me. Am I right?

post #9 of 23

'Aggressive' is a bad term, but you've got the gist.   

IMO, you would need to be a  low level 8 (or above) technically before your weight stopped being the primary deciding factor in sizing technical skis*, and it's pretty much impossible to be at that level with 20-30 days on snow.    

 

 

 

*Tactical skis you would size as per normal, it just becomes a game of demo and model choice.  Your guesstimates are correct for tactical skis.

post #10 of 23

^^^^ This, although your size would normally argue for the Ti construction. It's not as demanding a ski as the old Magnum 8.1, which wasn't a killer and didn't require one to be level 8. I look at it this way: It isn't the ski that'll help you in bumps, it's an instructor. You will find the CA version more forgiving right now, and probably nicer in bumps per se at any point in the future. But as you improve, the Ti version makes more sense for the location - it'll have a bit more bite on Midwestern ice, and be more stable at speed - and your size. So you get to decide the tradeoff. Good luck. 

post #11 of 23

He is looking at leftover skis from last season. There will be little or no chance to demo one, let alone two or three of these options, IF he was lucky enough to find a par to try, chances are at that point the deal is gone anyway. Part of the cost in saving money with a leftover is forfeiting your chance to try before you buy. 

post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

He is looking at leftover skis from last season. There will be little or no chance to demo one, let alone two or three of these options, IF he was lucky enough to find a par to try, chances are at that point the deal is gone anyway. Part of the cost in saving money with a leftover is forfeiting your chance to try before you buy. 

 

 

You are right, I dont think I am going to get to Demo these and then deal will be gone. My two skis are cheap (Oblivion, $133 brand new, Rictor - $180 with bindings) and good thing about buying them in deal is I can probably sell them away without losing tons if they dont work for me. 

 

I am just asking the best fit ski for my profile among these "theoretically" ... since that might be my best option. 

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^^^^ This, although your size would normally argue for the Ti construction. It's not as demanding a ski as the old Magnum 8.1, which wasn't a killer and didn't require one to be level 8. I look at it this way: It isn't the ski that'll help you in bumps, it's an instructor. You will find the CA version more forgiving right now, and probably nicer in bumps per se at any point in the future. But as you improve, the Ti version makes more sense for the location - it'll have a bit more bite on Midwestern ice, and be more stable at speed - and your size. So you get to decide the tradeoff. Good luck. 

 

I was almost leaning towards CA until you said about Ti being the "instructor". I get the point here and actually now I think Ti might be a better way for me to work on the skills as I still have life in me and I can push my limits instead of relaxing and holding back with a forgiving ski. 

 

Is Ti really very very stiff compared to CA? I think that might be a deciding factor for me. 

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On a different note, how is that "Magnum Cross IQ  with IQ LT 10 Bindings" Ski. Is it anywhere in this midwest kind of category? $227 with bindings seems good deal actually. 

post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by Jay Kavathe View Post
 

 

 

You are right, I dont think I am going to get to Demo these and then deal will be gone. My two skis are cheap (Oblivion, $133 brand new, Rictor - $180 with bindings) and good thing about buying them in deal is I can probably sell them away without losing tons if they dont work for me. 

 

I am just asking the best fit ski for my profile among these "theoretically" ... since that might be my best option. 

 

I was almost leaning towards CA until you said about Ti being the "instructor". I get the point here and actually now I think Ti might be a better way for me to work on the skills as I still have life in me and I can push my limits instead of relaxing and holding back with a forgiving ski. 

 

Is Ti really very very stiff compared to CA? I think that might be a deciding factor for me. 

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On a different note, how is that "Magnum Cross IQ  with IQ LT 10 Bindings" Ski. Is it anywhere in this midwest kind of category? $227 with bindings seems good deal actually. 

 

The CA will work better for you and be somewhat useful in bumps. The Ti is too much ski for you now and will hinder not help your progress.

post #14 of 23

Hey Jay!

I own the magnum 8.5 ti and it is a terrific ski. I own it in 181 and I'm 215 pounds; 6'. I also own a pair of Brahma that are a little more friendly user... You say that you may not want another ski near the 90 mm and , also, you are lighter than me...All that makes me think that you may be fit for the Latigo ( same ski as Brahma but in 78 mm). If you liked and felt good on the Brahma, you should like also the Latigo:

http://www.blizzard-ski.com/products/latigo/

 

 

I never liked the Ca version, but I'm 30 pounds heavier so...

post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

Hey Jay!

I own the magnum 8.5 ti and it is a terrific ski. I own it in 181 and I'm 215 pounds; 6'. I also own a pair of Brahma that are a little more friendly user... You say that you may not want another ski near the 90 mm and , also, you are lighter than me...All that makes me think that you may be fit for the Latigo ( same ski as Brahma but in 78 mm). If you liked and felt good on the Brahma, you should like also the Latigo:

http://www.blizzard-ski.com/products/latigo/

 

 

I never liked the Ca version, but I'm 30 pounds heavier so...

 

Wow, Brahma in 78 mm, sounds like the perfect ski for me :) Thank you for the suggestion. But since its 2015, I would want to save money and buy new Magnum CA/Ti from last season. I think I have made up my mind on CA now. Latigo should drop in price or show up on STP at some point :)

post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Jay Kavathe View Post
 
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

Hey Jay!

I own the magnum 8.5 ti and it is a terrific ski. I own it in 181 and I'm 215 pounds; 6'. I also own a pair of Brahma that are a little more friendly user... You say that you may not want another ski near the 90 mm and , also, you are lighter than me...All that makes me think that you may be fit for the Latigo ( same ski as Brahma but in 78 mm). If you liked and felt good on the Brahma, you should like also the Latigo:

http://www.blizzard-ski.com/products/latigo/

 

 

I never liked the Ca version, but I'm 30 pounds heavier so...

 

Wow, Brahma in 78 mm, sounds like the perfect ski for me :) Thank you for the suggestion. But since its 2015, I would want to save money and buy new Magnum CA/Ti from last season. I think I have made up my mind on CA now. Latigo should drop in price or show up on STP at some point :)

 

Sure it might show up down the road but in the meantime , miss 3/4 a season..what is that worth? $250? Because if you are finding the 8.0/8.5 for $350 and these are 600? what is that worth to you? 

post #17 of 23
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Guys, thank you everyone for your help. Just placed order for 2013-14 Magnum 8.0CA 179 Brand new at $275 on STP (with ActiveJunkie Cashback). I am quite sure thats a good deal. Have already picked up new Marker bindings from ebay for $50. Will come back here and let you know how do they perform for me.

 

 

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Sure it might show up down the road but in the meantime , miss 3/4 a season..what is that worth? $250? Because if you are finding the 8.0/8.5 for $350 and these are 600? what is that worth to you? 

 

I certainly can afford those, but I can call myself a smart buyer since I always be patient and look for deals and stuff. At the moment I dont think Latigo's are worth $325 over CA for me but thank you for your suggestion. I will keep an eye on those now.

post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Jay Kavathe View Post
 

Guys, thank you everyone for your help. Just placed order for 2013-14 Magnum 8.0CA 179 Brand new at $275 on STP (with ActiveJunkie Cashback). I am quite sure thats a good deal. Have already picked up new Marker bindings from ebay for $50. Will come back here and let you know how do they perform for me.

 

 

 

I certainly can afford those, but I can call myself a smart buyer since I always be patient and look for deals and stuff. At the moment I dont think Latigo's are worth $325 over CA for me but thank you for your suggestion. I will keep an eye on those now.

They do worth more and I'm sure you can find a better deal...

post #19 of 23

Jay I ski at Perfect North. My current ski is the blizzard magnum 7.2 iq.

 

http://www.skinet.com/skiing/products/gear/blizzard-magnum-72-iq-2012

 

I would recommend that ski for use at perfect north. I have skied it at Perfect North, Snowshoe and keystone. At your ability level I doubt you are doing much more than groomers at this point. This ski will help you learn to ski in all conditions.

 

Sorry I am late looks like you picked out a ski. If it doesnt work out for you go with the narrow choice. It will work fine.

 

 

Also look on the calender on perfect norths website. They have a mens all mountain clinic they advertise only on calender. IT is well worth the money. Last year is my second year and I went from a level 3-4 to a level 6-7 in one day with that clinic. It was amazing. I had issues with the blues at keystone and now I know I could rip the blacks there. Good luck hit me up if you want to ski some turns I will be at perfect north most days of the week.

post #20 of 23
I'm 5'8" 150 and I've skied the 172 8.0Ca ski a few times. From my limited times on it, I loved them. Can't wait to try them some more. Sunds like you got good skis at a great price!! 
 
Have fun next season :o)
post #21 of 23
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Sure it might show up down the road but in the meantime , miss 3/4 a season..what is that worth? $250? Because if you are finding the 8.0/8.5 for $350 and these are 600? what is that worth to you? 

 

I certainly can afford those, but I can call myself a smart buyer since I always be patient and look for deals and stuff. At the moment I dont think Latigo's are worth $325 over CA for me but thank you for your suggestion. I will keep an eye on those now.

Are they worth 2X the price of the 8.0Ca? To some yes, to some no but I cannot argue with your choice, I wouldn't say you are tripping over dollars to save pennies. It is a fine choice of a ski. 

post #22 of 23
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It arrived yesterday and oh my.. I think I have started to love the feeling of pulling out a brand new ski out of the packet :)

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