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post #31 of 40
Narrower is better for hard snow, I would not go over 90, there will be deminishing performance past that. I mentioned some very good hard snow options above and some others were added. At this point either buy something that someone suggested, most shops especially up your way do not stock a lot of 70-80mm skis...I know because we get a lot of calls from that area looking for skis that we carry. The 18m masters skis were suggested and are also a great option for a mountain like Sun Valley when you can let them run.
post #32 of 40
Thread Starter 

Wow this thread picked up way more responses than I was expecting.

 

I want to be clear that I won't be buying this ski sight-unseen. I WILL be demoing before I buy... don't worry Philpug, my current inclination is still a mid to low 80'smm ski. Something with a bit of versatility though as I do still get around some and get to play on other mountains. I also like to go to off-piste even in firm cruddy conditions and I also like to ski bumps.

 

Anyway thanks again for all the informative and helpful replies. I'll be sure not to forget to let everyone know what I end up with! :)

post #33 of 40
MX 83 or 78 starts to sound nice. I'd like to get over there for a couple of days this season... I'd take my GS skis (mach silly skiing) and Rev85 (bumps, fresh)
post #34 of 40
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MX 83 or 78 starts to sound nice.


Yeah you've got me intrigued in the Kastles. Gotta call around and find a place that demos them now.

post #35 of 40
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Never been to Sun Valley, unfortunately. For all I know first hand, the most common surface between storms is manmade boilerplate, as Atomicman seems to suggest it might be. If so, then by all means go for a race ski. I know ALL ABOUT manmade boilerplate, btw, and totally agree that race skis (or derivatives) are the way to go.

 

However, I kind of suspect that this kind of surface is more the exception than the rule, at least for people who are willing and able to follow the sun or the shade or whatever tactic works on a particular day. I hope so, or my faith in the basic goodness of things just faded one more click. My received sense of Sun Valley is that the snow that does fall is pretty light, that it is preserved reasonably well except in the spring (when it softens up fast enough anyway), that they do an amazing job of grooming, that there's plenty of elbow room on the hill, that there are plenty of bumps, and that it's, well, sunny.

 

LemonZest, am I right about that? If so, I'm going to toss a curve ball out there, not because I disagree with the other suggestions, many of which are excellent, but simply because there is a ski out there such that every time I ski it I think to myself, "I'll bet this would be a perfect ski if I lived someplace like Sun Valley." Check out a 184cm LX 92. You are tall, but at 180lbs possibly not too heavy for this ski in this biggest size. This would be forehead height on you. Last I looked (pretty recently), these can be had for a very reasonable price right now on eBay and elsewhere, unlike some of the other Kastles. It checks all the boxes for Sun Valley: Two sheets of metal, full camber, and modest sidecut, for stability and hold at speed on long, wide groomers; flexy enough to be very friendly in bumps, especially round ones; enough width to be a joy in light crud and to prevent digging on soft corduroy. I don't know anyone who really likes to ski bumps on a GS ski, who has ever actually tried a ski that is mogul-friendly, and is not just blinkered by prejudice. For this reason alone, a race ski at Sun Valley feels off to me. (You're not going to avoid bumps every day you're not on your El Capo, are you? Didn't think so.) But unlike some of the other candidates with early rise that might be fine in bumps, the LX engages more like a wide, easy GS ski on groomers with a half-decent surface. As Dawg likes to say, "you can really work the ski." It is capable but not fun on actual boilerplate. And it is not great in deep or really heavy snow, but you have the El Capo for that. For everything in between, this seems like a good balance between light off-piste capabilities and rocking arcs on cruisers, for someone who lives where snow is basically good but shallow. Here is Dawg's review:

 

The bump runs are very specific areas  and most of the place is man made groomed like a baby's ass...........................no bumps at all!

 

It gets damn cold over there and during the winter the sun is not gonna soften any thing up much. Base is 5750 Ft and top is over 9100, average winter temperature is 23 degrees, with an annual snowfall of 150 inches. (Pretty low snowfall amount. 

post #36 of 40
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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post
 

Never been to Sun Valley, unfortunately. For all I know first hand, the most common surface between storms is manmade boilerplate, as Atomicman seems to suggest it might be. If so, then by all means go for a race ski. I know ALL ABOUT manmade boilerplate, btw, and totally agree that race skis (or derivatives) are the way to go.

 

 

 

The bump runs are very specific areas  and most of the place is man made groomed like a baby's ass...........................no bumps at all!

 

It gets damn cold over there and during the winter the sun is not gonna soften any thing up much. Base is 5750 Ft and top is over 9100, average winter temperature is 23 degrees, with an annual snowfall of 150 inches. (Pretty low snowfall amount. 

Man made is mostly in the early season. While we do have firm snow, I wouldn't call it boilerplate. 150 inches is low for average annual snowfall. Last year was 157" and was the lowest in the 12 years I have been here. Most was 350". Average probably about 200".

post #37 of 40

^^^^ Second this. OP wants a ski that's reasonably friendly, he says. He doesn't have a race or technical background. Hmmm. And let's not get carried away about Sun Valley. I've skied there a bit, yep not always great conditions, not always a ton of snow, but also not east coast boilerplate; doesn't usually get the cold to refreeze sufficiently hard. And plenty of runs like Exhibition. If you really ski the mountain, you better be able to do bumps. So cannot see a race ski, or even citizen race carver, for the OP. I can see something in the 80's that can carve but flexes. Could see the LX92, yep, nice do-all for a lighter skier. Although I might shade more toward a FX84 or a RTM or a whole bunch of the 80's on Phil's list. Just lose the racer thing...

post #38 of 40

I really enjoyed my LX92 for the couple of seasons I had them.

Though I now much prefer the added dampness of my FX94 ( less vibration when the snow gets hard/icier ) and the added versatility of the early rise tip when the mid-day clumps/bumps start building up.   I had no chance to demo before-hand.  If I did, who knows, maybe I would have grabbed the FX84 instead.

I do have a 78 for the days when I know it will be cold & hard snow.

There is a great review by Dawgcatching on the FX:

http://www.epicski.com/t/119164/2014-kastle-fx94-video-review

post #39 of 40
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Originally Posted by Lemon Zest View Post
 

Wow this thread picked up way more responses than I was expecting.

 

 

 

 

Heh....you're kinda new here, aren't ya. :cool 

 

This kind of thread could go for 15 pages around here

post #40 of 40
Have you tried an unique and stand alone technology for needs like yours - Elan Amphibio, frontside ultimate carver with all mountain character. You can save by buying last season model (2014/2015) of course. There is no matching ski like this pair, you can chose between 78 and above 80 mm underfoot and still enjoy excellent carving along with all mountain performance.
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