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post #61 of 77

Has a long time reader of Ski magazine, who just re-uped for another three years like a common street walker, their resort rankings well, boarder on absurdity. Really is Deer Valley or Beaver Creek even in the same universe as Whistler or Jackson Hole? Contrary to marketing assertions, if a skier can't find expert terrain on some of these high ranked hills, it's likely because he skied it and never noticed. One gets the impression from the Ski magazine resort reviewers, that they put DV six slots ahead of BC because, while skiing at Beaver Creek they detected some residual turbulence, in the space-time continuum from the World Cup Birds of Prey downhill. That vague uneasy feeling, caused them to topple over on an immaculate, Blue corduroy slope and so ski resort rankings are made.

 

To bring sanity and objectivity to the resort ranking process, one can hardly do better than to consult not the opinion of anyone, but instead merely look at the mountains where the 13 men and women, North American qualifiers, of the 2015 Freeride World Tour hail from; 

 

Alta/Snowbird UT; two skiers

Arapahoe Basin CO

Bridger Bowl MT

Crested Butte CO

Crystal Mountain WA; two skiers

Jackson Hole WY

Kirkwood CA

Mad River Glen VT

Squaw Valley CA

Taos NM

Whistler BC

 

freerideworldtour.com

 

Even the East Coast is covered. One can argue that some well deserving mountains, are not represented such has Big Sky MT, but maybe the price of a season pass is to dang high. Also left out are the comparable Powder Highway resorts of interior British Columbia;

 

Fernie 

Kicking Horse

Revelstoke

 

And there maybe a case for a very, very few others, but overall this is all the resort ranking one should need. So pull the 203 pro model, Shiros out of the shed and move out fearlessly.

post #62 of 77
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Originally Posted by CascadeCowboy View Post

Really is Deer Valley or Beaver Creek even in the same universe as Whistler or Jackson Hole?

Did you look at the ranking criteria?
post #63 of 77

No, I just meant that to embellish that point, you really need it to be a Texan

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who just re-uped for another three years like a common street walker

Tell us more about this.

post #64 of 77
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Originally Posted by CascadeCowboy View Post
 

 

To bring sanity and objectivity to the resort ranking process, one can hardly do better than to consult not the opinion of anyone, but instead merely look at the mountains where the 13 men and women, North American qualifiers, of the 2015 Freeride World Tour hail from;

 

Not sure why that is a more "sane" criteria than what appears to be a rather all-encompassing objective approach based upon the average skier.  I have no problem with the rankings and I actually think it makes sense that there would be some variability from season-to-season for some of those reasons which have been noted in this thread.  We all like (and dislike on a relative scale, of course) certain resorts for the very reasons that are important to us, but it is a bit myopic to expect that only those reasons that are important to us should be considered in rankings such as this.  Some people like hot tubs, escalators and steak tartare as part of their skiing experience.  While the composite rankings are fun, what would be more helpful is if we could see all of the rankings in the individual categories.  Does the actual magazine provide that?

post #65 of 77

1. By perusing the list of ski areas elite level, freeskiers call home it's evident they have boiled all criteria down to one category; terrain. This is how it should be for skiers of some youth and ability.

 

2. One can't help but feel a bit greasy, when reading Ski magazine in which their consumerist, editorial model relentlessly pimps; ski hard and soft goods, multimillion dollar trophy cabins, heliskiing, and Audi AWD's. Now I'm good with that, (Powder Magazine is no better) but then they publish interviews with Anthropogenic Global Warming, pimp Al Gore. The mind boggles.

 

3. The operational concept of this rather elegant, self evident, pro-freeskier model of resort ranking is; If it goes big tomorrow where would you want to be? Or even if it doesn't? 

This may occasionally require eating a bacon burger at a Fatburger drive in, rather than raw steak at the Stein Erickson Lodge. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

post #66 of 77
Sure, your point #3 suggests a ranking. But probably not in Ski since ranking purely on terrain is a way less than 1% game, and since skiing already suffers significantly from both extremism and lack of access, those Ski rankings are probably far more on point than yours.
post #67 of 77

We :deadhorse:every year.  I analyzed this subject extensively 2 years ago:

http://www.epicski.com/t/114232/ski-magazine-resort-survey-results-2012-2013/30#post_1499040

 

I don't even have my issue yet.  But SKI's methodology is the same.  They have at least 15 categories, all weighted equally.  With several categories related to resort amenities and not skiing, you will never keep Deer Valley out of the top 5, even if the respondents were all Epic Bears or pros on the freeride tour.

 

Look at the "overall satisfaction" category and you'll probably see a list more to Cascade Cowboy's liking.

post #68 of 77
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Originally Posted by skiNEwhere View Post


I was on the chairlift at Breck on a 10 inch pow day with some guy from Texas who was legitimately upset that the trails were not groomed and there was all this powder he had to deal with. Which just goes to show , the ski masses don't like pow like most people on this site do

My wife hates powder!! Lucky for me she doesn't ski full days anyways, so the kids and me getting plenty of trees in before or after she is with us. I think the Utah rankings don't really count tbh, Even though we stay at the Canyons we ski multiple resorts. Utah for me is one big resort. Funny thing, even though my wife isn't a powder fan her favorite Utah resort is Alta. She love how open it feels.

post #69 of 77
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 Funny thing, even though my wife isn't a powder fan her favorite Utah resort is Alta. She love how open it feels.

Same with my wife: Alta.

post #70 of 77


It had been suggested to try and rerig some of SKI's survey results from just a skiing perspective.

 

Focusing on the on mountain skiing experience I limited the data to Snow, Grooming, Variety, Challenge, Lifts, and Weather. Some may want to exclude Grooming and Lifts for various reasons, but I think including them is curial to the overall ski experience, and not just the experience of advanced skiers. Grooming is especially somewhat of a counterbalance to Challenge (No resort has consistently ranked in the Top Ten for Grooming and Challenge the last three years).

 

I have personally only been keeping track of SKI's Top Ten rankings by category for the past three years, so that limits my data set.

 

I scored a #1 ranking 10 points, and a #10 ranking 1 point using the most recent rankings for scoring.

 

Resorts only scored if they have been ranked in the Top Ten of a category consistently the past three years. The goal was to exclude any outliers.

 

The results with total points were as follows:

 

#1 Snowbird (34)

#2 Alta (29)

#3 Deer Valley (26--Grooming and Lifts constitute 16 points)

#4 Whistler (23)

#5 Jackson Hole (19)

#6 Sun Valley (19)

#7 Vail (18)

#8 Big Sky (15)

#9 Wolf Creek (14)

#10 Solitude (13)

#11 Snowmass (11)

#12 Brighton (10)

 

The results clearly favor Utah, and the Cottonwood Canyons, with Vail being the single Colorado resort in the top ten, and none from California. 

post #71 of 77


The East Coast, using the same process, comes out like this:

 

#1 Bretton Woods (39)

#2 Sunday River (29)

#3 Jay Peak (25)

#4 Sugarloaf (22)

#5 Mt Sunapee (19)

#6 Mad River Glen (17)

#7 Saddleback (16)

#8 Okemo, Smuggler's Notch, Holiday Valley (15)

#11 Stowe (13)

#12 Stratton (12)

#13 Killington (11)

post #72 of 77


Using the same data and criteria, but only for resort features independent of the physical mountain, weather and lifts.

 

On Mountain Food, Lodging, Dining, Apres, Scenery, Off Hill Activities, Family/Kid Friendly, Character, Access, Service

 

#1 Deer Valley (78)

#2 Sun Valley (53)

#3 Whistler (51)

#4 PCMR (39)

#5 Aspen Mt (34)

#6 Telluride (32)

#7 Beaver Creek (23)

#8 Vail (21)

#9 Heavenly (20)

#10 Jackson Hole (19)

 

For someone looking for something other than trails groomed in the Deer Valley/Sun Valley tradition, but rather a place ranked in the Top Ten for Challenge or Variety the destination resorts seem to be: Whistler, Telluride, Vail, and Jackson Hole.

post #73 of 77
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Originally Posted by CentralVT08 View Post
 


The East Coast, using the same process, comes out like this:

 

#1 Bretton Woods (39)

#2 Sunday River (29)

#3 Jay Peak (25)

#4 Sugarloaf (22)

#5 Mt Sunapee (19)

#6 Mad River Glen (17)

#7 Saddleback (16)

#8 Okemo, Smuggler's Notch, Holiday Valley (15)

#11 Stowe (13)

#12 Stratton (12)

#13 Killington (11)


I like how you factored out to me what I consider the non important things about resorts, Question though where did the bulk of Bretton Woods points come from?

post #74 of 77

Bretton Woods is #1 for Snow, #1 for Grooming, #2 for Lifts, #2 for Service, and one of the top for Weather (they never have wind holds).

 

Sunday River runs up all its points in the exact same categories, as does Mt Sunapee. 

post #75 of 77
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Originally Posted by CentralVT08 View Post
 

Bretton Woods is #1 for Snow, #1 for Grooming, #2 for Lifts, #2 for Service, and one of the top for Weather (they never have wind holds).

 

Sunday River runs up all its points in the exact same categories, as does Mt Sunapee. 

 

I can actually see how Bretton Woods would get all those high rankings.  I have called Bretton Woods "lift serviced cross country skiing" in the past -- i.e., it's not known for it's challenge.  But gentler slopes do hold snow better - i.e, the hordes aren't hitting the brakes hard on every turn the way they do on steeper slopes.  And, as you pointed out, for whatever reason, the wind simply doesn't blow at Bretton Woods.

 

I'm amazed that MRG got more points than Stowe did when you limit the categories to:  "Snow, Grooming, Variety, Challenge, Lifts, and Weather".  I can't imagine MRG got many points in the "lifts" and "grooming" categories.

post #76 of 77
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Originally Posted by CentralVT08 View Post
 


It had been suggested to try and rerig some of SKI's survey results from just a skiing perspective.

 

Focusing on the on mountain skiing experience I limited the data to Snow, Grooming, Variety, Challenge, Lifts, and Weather. Some may want to exclude Grooming and Lifts for various reasons, but I think including them is curial to the overall ski experience, and not just the experience of advanced skiers. Grooming is especially somewhat of a counterbalance to Challenge (No resort has consistently ranked in the Top Ten for Grooming and Challenge the last three years).

 

I have personally only been keeping track of SKI's Top Ten rankings by category for the past three years, so that limits my data set.

 

I scored a #1 ranking 10 points, and a #10 ranking 1 point using the most recent rankings for scoring.

 

Resorts only scored if they have been ranked in the Top Ten of a category consistently the past three years. The goal was to exclude any outliers.

 

The results with total points were as follows:

 

#1 Snowbird (34)

#2 Alta (29)

#3 Deer Valley (26--Grooming and Lifts constitute 16 points)

#4 Whistler (23)

#5 Jackson Hole (19)

#6 Sun Valley (19)

#7 Vail (18)

#8 Big Sky (15)

#9 Wolf Creek (14)

#10 Solitude (13)

#11 Snowmass (11)

#12 Brighton (10)

 

The results clearly favor Utah, and the Cottonwood Canyons, with Vail being the single Colorado resort in the top ten, and none from California. 

This could be fun!! Each of us could look at what we consider the most important categories in picking ski resorts and see what our top area would be. Since each of us has different priorities we would all have different number 1 resorts. I'm going to try it later, I'm curiosity if my calculated #1 matches with what my #1 is without the formula!!

post #77 of 77
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Originally Posted by Lofcaudio View Post

If I were to base my upcoming trip to Salt Lake City (in which I hope to try out five different resorts in five days) on this list, then the order of priority would be:

1) Deer Valley
2) Park City
3) Canyons
4) Snowbird
5) Alta

Hmmm...not going to do it.




We each have our own criteria, for me out of that list it would be Alta, Snowbird and the Canyons, I am not interested in Park City or Deer Valley. In Utah I would add Snow Basin, and I do like Solitude as it is not crowded and has some fun stuff, it does ski big for a smaller mountain (western standards).
Edited by tomfifield - 11/19/14 at 10:45am
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