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Kastle BMX 108 or Kastle BMW 98

post #1 of 19
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I am considering pushing the button on a new Powder ski.

 

Current quiver 

BBR 8.9

Blizzard Brahma

Various old skis including Dynastar Legend 8000, K2 Apache Chief, Rossi WC 9sl Oversize

 

I have read Dawgcatching's review of both Kastle skis and appreciate that the 108 in 188 length plays slightly differently to the 178.

 

OK, here's me

43 now (WTF!!), skiing about 60 days a season. 90kilos

Video of me skiing

bit.ly/1AR6qRI

 

It would be great to have some comments about the similarities and differences between the two BMX models in different lengths. To be more precise -

 

BMX 108 in 188

BMX 108 in 178

BMX 98 in 188

 

I'm looking for a ski which can smear (fancy a bit of that) and can turn easily (lots of tree line skiing on our local mountain) plus open up in big mountain terrain. What I worry about is something which is a little uninteresting from a technical point of view and not very 'turny'.

 

Thanks in advance.

post #2 of 19

Welcome to Epic.

 

If you want trees, forget the 188 length. If you worry about the the skis not being "turny" or insufficiently high tech, or insufficiently smeary, forget Kastle. You're a Volkl guy. Or if the smeary thing is paramount, then you're a reverse reverse Praxis guy, or a ON3P reverse elliptical guy, or a DPS spoon guy. Or go find some nicely preserved 'Toons.

 

Seriously, the strengths of Kastle skis are not the qualities you mention. They can do all that, but other brands make models that are more optimized for what you like.

post #3 of 19

Off topic but could we please swap ski areas?

post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 

2meke - I take it you'd like to visit the Dolomites?

post #5 of 19
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Beyond - have you skied the Kastle?

 

I am really looking to speak to someone who has skied al of them.

 

I have read many great reviews about Kastle and the quality of them. I also understand that the BMX has no metal and early rise. What I want from a ski is some personality and the ability to turn plus something stable underfoot. The BBR 8.9 can turn beautifully but isn't so stable.My Blizzard Brahma is wonderfully stable but only 88 under foot. Now, I have been skiing well out of piste for many years on skis like Dynastar Legend 8000 which was 79 underfoot so I have the technique to ski thin skis in soft snow/powder. 

 

I am looking for a mid fat powder ski which has quality and can form different turn shapes all over the areas of the mountain which are not pisted. Trees, wide open mountains, couloirs - The Dolomites!

post #6 of 19

Contnuing off-topic: where in the Dolomites exactly (the area is huge, you know). 

 

How about Atomic Automatic (186 I think)? I mean the 117 model, but now they have a 109 as well. Seems to be in the right direction, I suppose 

post #7 of 19

One other thought:

 

Since you're keeping the Brahma's (I presume), you already have a great ski for on-piste and hard snow conditions - perhaps even for variable conditions. So the powder ski will be for powder-use (as oppposed to allmountain) only, correct? Otherwise, I think most modern powder skis are good enough on piste to get back to the lift.

 

In that case, at 90 kg I would be looking at ski's a bit wider than the 108's you're looking at. More like 115 and wider. Skis like the Völkl One, Blizzard Bodacious, Atomic Atomatic 117, maybe the K2 Shreditor 120 or Annex 118 or the Rossignol Super 7 would suit you better.

post #8 of 19

I agree with Beyond on most of his post.  I just don't think of smearing a Kastle.   Kastle's carve.

I ski the 187 MX108 as my daily driver.  It's more of a big mountain charger, than a powder ski. I can ski powder on it, but moving pretty fast when I do.

 

I haven't skied the BMX108, but I didn't see anything in your video that would turn me away from a 188. 

The 178 is too short for you, in all but the tightest trees. 

post #9 of 19

I own the BMX 98's, they are definitely NOT designed to smear, they want to carve. Look elsewhere if that is what you want. 


Edited by tsk94 - 9/17/14 at 9:02am
post #10 of 19

If you want to stick in the Kastle family, I would look at the BMX118 and not the 108.  The 118 is softer flexing, more tip rocker and designed be be more playful than the 108. 

Here's Dawgs Review 

Ski Canada

 

 

The go to ski for what you are describing is a Nordica Patron.  

 

Another would be the Line Mr Pollards Opus, and K2 Pettitor/Shredittor 120, K2 Annex/Seth 118, Vokl Shiro, Sali 115Q, Rocker 120,  (not sure if its the same name this season), Armada JJ, DPS 112 (both versions) , Praxis GPO, Blizz G-smoke too. but honestly, there are a ton more.  Pick your flavor


Edited by Finndog - 9/17/14 at 9:45am
post #11 of 19
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I did wonder about the Automatic in 109 - any thought there from someone who has ridden them?

 

Regarding the Dolomites - we're based in a place called Alleghe which is beautiful with a lake and direct lift access. Funnily we are starting up a new business this year reining off piste, guided skiing holidays. This year is a pilot year so non profit. If you are interested give me a shout.

post #12 of 19
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Thanks for your post Finndog

 

Basically you are advising going bigger or fatter.

 

I'll have a look around to see what else is, how should I put it............. 'on sale'

post #13 of 19

Some German web shops have sale right now. Have a look at sport-conrad.com, sport-Bittl.com, xspo.de, snow-how.de for some nice deals on last year's models. I orderd from the Netherlands, and for 20 euro shipping it's in your home within a week.

 

Alleghe. Always wanted to go there. I have skied the Sella Ronda areas and Val di Fiemme too. Long live the Dolomiti Superski pass!

post #14 of 19
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Cheizz Thanks for the german websites - I have been looking at Conrad quite a bit.

 

If you Google Map us, we're located in the centre of the Dolomites. We are 5 mins from the base of Alleghe, 15 mins from the base at Falcade - San Pellegrino, 15 minutes to the base of Marmolada, 20 mins to Arabba, 25 mins to Cinque Torri which is part of the Cortina area and great for freeride. Within 25 mins drive we can access all of the Southern Dolomites so I can guarantee that you will not ski the same piste twice. 

 

Within easy reach is an enormous amount of off piste territory. Including all of the couloir skiing that the Dolomites are famous for. 

 

I'll run a post once we get everything organised but keep it in mind. Local mountain guide every day, nice local hotel with excellent food and wine and shuttle transportation included so as to explore the entire region.

 

Back to skis, Sport-Conrad have a great deal on K2 SideSeth 12/13 @ Euro 299  and K2 Annex 118 13/14 @ Euro 349 and Atomic Automatic 117 13/14 @ Euro 299

 

Any thoughts - It's crazy how you go from Kastle BMX 108 to something completely different in two days but I feel I'm making progress thanks to the input.

post #15 of 19

You should add that the Automatics are in 193 only. Still think they're great though. And for someone with your size they should be ok. Maybe not manoeuverable enough in tight chutes/trees?

post #16 of 19
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Thanks for your post Finndog

 

Basically you are advising going bigger or fatter.

 

I'll have a look around to see what else is, how should I put it............. 'on sale'

if you want that true schmeary slarvy loose feel, yes, FWIW, I think a ski like a Sir francs bacon or Soul7 are also  great options; they just aren't are slarvy or loose but they area my favorites for under a foot.  A sali Q105, Sali Rocker II 108 are two others and you might as well add the Blizz Peacemaker to the list as well.  

 

On sale?  have you checked with any of the sponsors here? Many have leftovers at fantastic prices and may ship over seas.  

post #17 of 19
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Cheizz Thanks for the german websites - I have been looking at Conrad quite a bit.

 

If you Google Map us, we're located in the centre of the Dolomites. We are 5 mins from the base of Alleghe, 15 mins from the base at Falcade - San Pellegrino, 15 minutes to the base of Marmolada, 20 mins to Arabba, 25 mins to Cinque Torri which is part of the Cortina area and great for freeride. Within 25 mins drive we can access all of the Southern Dolomites so I can guarantee that you will not ski the same piste twice. 

 

Within easy reach is an enormous amount of off piste territory. Including all of the couloir skiing that the Dolomites are famous for. 

 

I'll run a post once we get everything organised but keep it in mind. Local mountain guide every day, nice local hotel with excellent food and wine and shuttle transportation included so as to explore the entire region.

 

Back to skis, Sport-Conrad have a great deal on K2 SideSeth 12/13 @ Euro 299  and K2 Annex 118 13/14 @ Euro 349 and Atomic Automatic 117 13/14 @ Euro 299

 

Any thoughts - It's crazy how you go from Kastle BMX 108 to something completely different in two days but I feel I'm making progress thanks to the input.

If I remember correctly from the Conrad site, those K2s are from a few seasons back. The Annex looked more interesting, and there was also an Atomic at similar length/width/price, right? I ended up buying the Line Sick Days from Conrad for slightly more than that, but of course haven't skied them yet so can't tell you anything. Telemark Pyrenees is another good place to look, assuming they've got summer settings now like Conrad does, eg, no shipping charges. 

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post #19 of 19
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Finndog, what sponsors?

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