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Binding for Atomic D2 Jr SG 10/11?

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

Found a good deal on a Atomic D2 SG ski for my U14 daughter. But for some strange reason it's delivered with an adult 1018 binding. Does anyone know if there are 4-12 DIN bindings avilable that will fit the 10/11 model year?

 

cheers

post #2 of 23

Any Atomic Race 4-12 or Race 6-14 should fit.

 

 

What is her DIN setting?

 

These may still available

 

http://reno.craigslist.org/spo/4632307161.html

post #3 of 23
I can trade you a set of 614s for the 1018 s if you want
post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 

Her DIN is 5.5. (40 kg, 150 cm, BSL 266, 3+racer, 12 yrs).

 

So is it correct that the model year doesn't matter? The plate will be the same on 10/11 as it is now?

 

But I'm just thinking, if the mounted plate can take a 1018, it must be a larger plate for adult bindings. Will it take a JR binding?

 

ScotSkier, I might take you up on that offer if I can't find a solution closer to home. PM you in that case. But 614 ... that is DIN 6-14, right? What you all say about setting it at 6 for her (she's 5ish according to DIN calculations)? How big of a difference does 0.5 make?

 

 

cheers


Edited by Karlsson - 9/15/14 at 4:52am
post #5 of 23
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Her DIN is 5.5. (40 kg, 150 cm, BSL 266, 3+racer, 12 yrs).

 

So is it correct that the model year doesn't matter? The plate will be the same on 10/11 as it is now?

 

But I'm just thinking, if the mounted plate can take a 1018, it must be a larger plate for adult bindings. Will it take a JR binding?

 

ScotSkier, I might take you up on that offer if I can't find a solution closer to home. PM you in that case. But 614 ... that is DIN 6-14, right? What you all say about setting it at 6 for her (she's 5ish according to DIN calculations)? How big of a difference does 0.5 make?

 

 

cheers

NO the newer plates are most likely different. They are most likely pre-drilled for a Neox or an X-Race binding, which have different screw patterns than the Race, Xentrix or CR bindngs. It will only take a Junior Binding that has the same screw pattern as an Atomic Race, or Xentrix  or CR those all came in 3.10 4.12 & 6.14. The 3.10 and 4.12 were invoved in a recall.

 

As far as .5 goes on the DIN scale, And I would say just as a disclaimer, do this at your own risk..........but in Super_G probably not an issue. 

 

What length are the skis?

post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

NO the newer plates are most likely different. They are most likely pre-drilled for a Neox or an X-Race binding, which have different screw patterns than the Race, Xentrix or CR bindngs. It will only take a Junior Binding that has the same screw pattern as an Atomic Race, or Xentrix  or CR those all came in 3.10 4.12 & 6.14. The 3.10 and 4.12 were invoved in a recall.

 

As far as .5 goes on the DIN scale, And I would say just as a disclaimer, do this at your own risk..........but in Super_G probably not an issue. 

 

What length are the skis?

This.  The newer Atomic Jr SG skis use a TL (?  something like this!) binding which is quite similar to the NEOX.  The plates are not normally interchangeable without redrilling.  Atomic area  bit of a PITA in this respect,  When they changed the race skis from the old race (1018 type) binding to the new X series, the hole spacing was just subtly different enough that you couldnt adapt to the old binding :(

post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by Karlsson View Post
 

Her DIN is 5.5. (40 kg, 150 cm, BSL 266, 3+racer, 12 yrs).

 

So is it correct that the model year doesn't matter? The plate will be the same on 10/11 as it is now?

 

But I'm just thinking, if the mounted plate can take a 1018, it must be a larger plate for adult bindings. Will it take a JR binding?

 

ScotSkier, I might take you up on that offer if I can't find a solution closer to home. PM you in that case. But 614 ... that is DIN 6-14, right? What you all say about setting it at 6 for her (she's 5ish according to DIN calculations)? How big of a difference does 0.5 make?

 

 

cheers

NO the newer plates are most likely different. They are most likely pre-drilled for a Neox or an X-Race binding, which have different screw patterns than the Race, Xentrix or CR bindngs. It will only take a Junior Binding that has the same screw pattern as an Atomic Race, or Xentrix  or CR those all came in 3.10 4.12 & 6.14. The 3.10 and 4.12 were invoved in a recall.

 

As far as .5 goes on the DIN scale, And I would say just as a disclaimer, do this at your own risk..........but in Super_G probably not an issue. 

 

What length are the skis?

I have seen more of the 614's coming in with broken heel cups than without at this point. I personally do not endorse them and would not take them in at our consignment sale. If she will be at the very bottom of the scale, she might be OK. The metal heel 1018's are still good though. 

post #8 of 23

The heel cups were not what the recall was about. 

 

The heel housing of the bindings can crack, causing the binding to release unexpectedly. This can cause the skier to lose control or fall and suffer injuries.

Description: The recall affects the heel components of the following Atomic alpine ski bindings: Race 310, Race 412, RaceRace 310, RaceRace 412, Xentrix 310, Xentrix 311, Xentrix 412, C310, C311, C412, CR 310, CR 412, R 310, R 412, SX 310, SX 412, Device 311, Device 412, Centro 310, Centro 412, and Dynamic ADX 312, RD10, X412, Centro 412. The recall includes only those bindings manufactured from 1998 through 2002 The year of manufacture can be located on the underside of the heel lever.

NO 6.14's listed and all the bindings listed were manufactured from 1998-2002. 

 

 

 

Many of the bindings are getting very old. But we skied and even raced on the 6.14's for a lot of years and I had them on some of my Beta Puls and Sugar Daddy's for many years without incident.  WE started using them in 1998 and continued to do so until my boys were burly enough to use a 10.18. 


Edited by Atomicman - 9/15/14 at 10:19am
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post
 

This.  The newer Atomic Jr SG skis use a TL (?  something like this!) binding which is quite similar to the NEOX. ( Actually the TL's are NEOX bindings. They are called Neox TL. I have them on my Non-FIS D2 RAce Gs 179cm. Neox TL 12, it means Tool Less. You can adjust  for BSL without a tool)  Although you still need a screwdriver for forward pressure so it is a bit of a misnomer)  The plates are not normally interchangeable without redrilling.  Atomic area  bit of a PITA in this respect,  When they changed the race skis from the old race (1018 type) binding to the new X series, the hole spacing was just subtly different enough that you couldnt adapt to the old binding :(

post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

NO the newer plates are most likely different. They are most likely pre-drilled for a Neox or an X-Race binding, which have different screw patterns than the Race, Xentrix or CR bindngs. It will only take a Junior Binding that has the same screw pattern as an Atomic Race, or Xentrix  or CR those all came in 3.10 4.12 & 6.14. The 3.10 and 4.12 were invoved in a recall.

 

As far as .5 goes on the DIN scale, And I would say just as a disclaimer, do this at your own risk..........but in Super_G probably not an issue. 

 

What length are the skis?


 They are 175 cm/r27.5m model year 2010/11.

post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

I have seen more of the 614's coming in with broken heel cups than without at this point. I personally do not endorse them and would not take them in at our consignment sale. If she will be at the very bottom of the scale, she might be OK. The metal heel 1018's are still good though. 


Well, she's 12 and weigh 40 kg. Her DIN is 5.5 so it would be at the very bottom. But it does sound like I should avoid the 614. I'll get some more info tomorrow on what plate is on the ski. It is a Atomic SGJ D2 175 cm/r27.5m model year 2010/11. But since they come with a 1018, I wonder if the plate is not in fact an adult world cup plate?

post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Karlsson View Post
 


Well, she's 12 and weigh 40 kg. Her DIN is 5.5 so it would be at the very bottom. But it does sound like I should avoid the 614. I'll get some more info tomorrow on what plate is on the ski. It is a Atomic SGJ D2 175 cm/r27.5m model year 2010/11. But since they come with a 1018, I wonder if the plate is not in fact an adult world cup plate?

The mounting for all the Race series bindings - 310, 412, 614, 1018 is the same.  There are a variety of plates, e.g. the Black world cup plate and the gray/silver race plate but the mounting holes are all the same till they changed to the X series binding on the D2 plates.  The range of adjustment that the plates accommodate also varies.  For instance on the adult speed skis with the world cup plate, it was difficult to adjust below a 25.0 boot 

 

Both Aman and Phil are correct.  The recall was because of the heel housing breaking but, like Phil,  I have also seen several instances of the 614 heel Cups breaking.  Normally though it has been with much heavier skiers than 40kg.  I have used 614s without issue in the past (although I did have a  412 blow up!).

 

Take the existing binding off and see if there have been additional holes drilled for the 1018.  I thought that vintage of ski would have used the  neox type as standard on the junior sg ski. 

post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post
 

The mounting for all the Race series bindings - 310, 412, 614, 1018 is the same.  There are a variety of plates, e.g. the Black world cup plate and the gray/silver race plate but the mounting holes are all the same till they changed to the X series binding on the D2 plates.  The range of adjustment that the plates accommodate also varies.  For instance on the adult speed skis with the world cup plate, it was difficult to adjust below a 25.0 boot 

 

Both Aman and Phil are correct.  The recall was because of the heel housing breaking but, like Phil,  I have also seen several instances of the 614 heel Cups breaking.  Normally though it has been with much heavier skiers than 40kg.  I have used 614s without issue in the past (although I did have a  412 blow up!).

 

Take the existing binding off and see if there have been additional holes drilled for the 1018.  I thought that vintage of ski would have used the neox type as standard on the junior sg ski. 

They may be drilled for both. If memory serves me correctly some came pre-drilled for Neox and Race. 

 

Atomic's are generally considered toe mount particularly the speed skis. Normally there was only one of set of toe plate holes.


Edited by Atomicman - 9/16/14 at 7:09pm
post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
So the dealer is waiting for Atomic to reply. Still don't know exactly what plates are on the skis, but obviously a plate that can take the 1018 and not an X-series. My guess: Atomic had lots of skis with a plate that could take 412, 614 and 1018 already mounted. The two first were taken off the market due to issues. Atomic shipped the inventory cheap with 1018:s--the only binding left on the market compatible with the mounted plate. However they are completely wrong with a ski designed for U12-14. Can't see even the strongest 13 year olds ski DIN 10.
post #15 of 23

From the 2014 Indemnification list...

 

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Not all model years of “RACE 4.12”, “RACE 6.14” and “RACE 10.18” are included on the 2013/2014 Schedule of Indemnified Bindings. To identify these models, dealers should refer to the attached Atomic Race Models Schedule of Indemnified Bindings.

Atomic recommends that any version of the “RACE 4.12”, “RACE 6.14” or “RACE 10.18” that is not on the attached color poster should be replaced by the skier, and should not continue to be serviced by the dealer. 

 

IMHO, you are playing Russian Roulette with these, it is not IF the heel pieces blow..it's when and at race speeds, I wouldn't want that happening. 

post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Karlsson View Post

So the dealer is waiting for Atomic to reply. Still don't know exactly what plates are on the skis, but obviously a plate that can take the 1018 and not an X-series. My guess: Atomic had lots of skis with a plate that could take 412, 614 and 1018 already mounted. The two first were taken off the market due to issues. Atomic shipped the inventory cheap with 1018:s--the only binding left on the market compatible with the mounted plate. However they are completely wrong with a ski designed for U12-14. Can't see even the strongest 13 year olds ski DIN 10.

Atomic generally does not ship skis with bindings except for The Neox TL12 on the Non FIS D2 GS & SL. And as I said there is some possibility that plate is predrilled for Neox or a Race. Neox 412 or 614 were bulletproof!

post #17 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

Atomic generally does not ship skis with bindings except for The Neox TL12 on the Non FIS D2 GS & SL. And as I said there is some possibility that plate is predrilled for Neox or a Race. Neox 412 or 614 were bulletproof!
I see. This seems to be an exceptional case where 3 year old 'new' race skis are sold with 1018:s. Perhaps Atomic has nothing to do with it ... the seller claims that he spoke to his Atomic rep though and that they are looking for a solution, which may or may not include changing the mounted plate--which doesn't seem able to cope with the neox binding. It's a little dodgy, but it's a good ski and if they can sort it out ...
Edited by Karlsson - 10/1/14 at 7:21am
post #18 of 23
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I see. This seems to be an exceptional case where 3 year old 'new' race skis are sold with 1018:s. Perhaps Atomic has nothing to do with it ... the seller claims that he have spoken to his Atomic rep though and that they are looking for a solution, which may or may not include changing the mounted plate--which doesn't seem able to cope with the neox binding. It's a little dodgy, but it's a good ski and if they can sort it out ...

I think it is just the seller pairing 'em up. 

post #19 of 23
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I think it is just the seller pairing 'em up. 

This!  And just because it is still "new" doesn't meant that the plate would be any different from when it was built.  On the adult speed skis, the use of the race binding was continued for a couple of years longer than the tech skis.  The adult speed ski didn't switch to the X series binding till the 11-12 ski.  

And even then a lot of the WC guys continued to use the Race binding for a while longer. Initially there were some vibration issues on the WC skis with the X series  

 

One option would be to switch out the whole D2 plate but getting hold of one for a junior ski would be difficult.  Also I have redrilled D2 plates successfully in the past to mount a different binding . One of my ski buddies is using a D2 slalom I mounted with Salomons and I have a pair with the X series plate mounted with a Race binding so it can be done.  Depends to some extent on where you need to position the alternate binding for correct boot location.  When i have done it I have played about with a variety of jigs to see what lines up and it is heavily dependent on the boot size.   


Edited by ScotsSkier - 9/18/14 at 12:10pm
post #20 of 23
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This!  And just because it is still "new" doesn't meant that the plate would be any different from when it was built.  On the adult speed skis, the use of the race binding was continued for a couple of years longer than the tech skis.  The adult speed ski didn't switch to the X series binding till the 11-12 ski.  
And even then a lot of the WC guys continued to use the Race binding for a while longer. Initially there were some vibration issues on the WC skis with the X series  

One option would be to switch out the whole D2 plate but getting hold of one for a junior ski would be difficult.  Also I have redrilled D2 plates successfully in the past to mount a different binding . One of my ski buddies is using a D2 slalom I mounted with Salomons and I have a pair with the X series plate mounted with a Race binding so it can be done.  Depends to some extent on where you need to position the alternate binding for correct boot location.  When i have done it I have played about with a variety of jigs to see what lines up and it is heavily dependent on the boot size.   

Good to know that it can be done. I'll wait [with my arms crossed] and see how they solve it. If they manage, I'll buy a pair. I just can't understand that someone would get the idea to sell a Jr ski with a 10-18 DIN binding.
post #21 of 23

Please let me know, I am also looking to buy such ski for my boy (35kg)....

 

After ready all the postings, it seems that the solution is the X12....

 

Atomic man shall confirm....:)

post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by OJ11768 View Post
 

Please let me know, I am also looking to buy such ski for my boy (35kg)....

 

After ready all the postings, it seems that the solution is the X12....

 

Atomic man shall confirm....:)


Depends on what plate it has been drilled for.  If it is for the old style race binding then see the information above.  It may be possible to redrill for an X12 but it is by no means a slam dunk

post #23 of 23
Thread Starter 
X12 would certainly be good--apparently it can't be fitted to the mounted plate. According to seller the issue has been taken to Atomic and a solution will be (?) presented soon. Will report back.
Edited by Karlsson - 10/7/14 at 2:43am
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