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Did I get a bit carried away ?..volkl ones ..did I buy them too big?

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Well, I like to blame all the ski porn trailers and the release of the gear guides for my foolish early ski shopping....but here it goes.
I was wondering if any of you guys have some input on sizing for the volkl ones?
I am 5'11 about 185-190 in gear (175-177 without;)) and an intermediate advanced skier.

I have never owned a full rocker ski or a volkl and wanted to try something new and different, but now that they are sitting in my living room those 186 look really big and scary stiff. My other skis are a 179 dps wailer 112, a177 nordica wildfire (same as vagabond) and a 179 salomon 90...

Should I send them back for a pair of 176 or should I start eith a daily squat routine now to built some monster legs to go with those badass skis? Definitely worried the 176 will be to short...I had a pair of 174 armada jj's and they were way to short in any kind of powder...great soft groomer ski at that length fir me wink.gif
post #2 of 27
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Originally Posted by LittleSkiNut View Post

I am 5'11 about 185-190 in gear (175-177 without;)) and an intermediate advanced skier.

I have never owned a full rocker ski and those 186 look really big and scary stiff.

Should I send them back for a pair of 176 or should I start eith a daily squat routine now to built some monster legs to go with those badass skis? Definitely worried the 176 will be to short...I had a pair of 174 armada jj's and they were way to short in any kind of powder...great soft groomer ski at that length fir me wink.gif

Powder ski?  If yes, 186 on a fuller rockered ski is the way to go at 5'11".  I am the same height as you, but likely 20lbs heavier and I have many skis in the 187-192 range. I am a strong intermediate to weak advanced skier.  I say keep em and make them your b!tch;) 

 

Edit to say that after reading this, ya, go 186.

The Volkl One is playful new freeride, big mountain ski that makes drifty, smear turns down pillow lines with ease. It features early taper in the tip and tail, along with a full rockered profile, to give you that surfy feel similar to other “5 point” skis like the JJ, S7, and the Chetler. Combine that revolutionary design with carbon makes the Volkl One super nimble and quick turning in the trees, and perfect for backcountry jibbing. It’s built with a multi-layer sensorwood core and their power/toughbox sidewall construction for plenty of grip and stability when dropping the hammer on the way to the lift for another lap in the bowls. Unlike your Dad’s Volkl, the One has a nice buttery tip and tail, but is still plenty beefy underfoot and stable at speed whether you’re charging the steep and deep when the Snow Gods deliver (or the groomers when they don’t).  It also easily blasts through crud and wind blown or crusty snow. If you’re looking for a floaty, maneuverable, and full-throttle powder ski the new Volkl One is for you.

post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
Yeah it will definitely be a dedicated pow ski for at least 10-15cm days... I have the wildfire for chopped snow days and plan to keep the ds as well....

Figured this would be for the bigger days... Certainly on a few occasions my dps at 179 got overwhelmed in whistler bowl....I am mainly worried about the 27 m turning radius ?..; I hope that only applies to traditional turning, since the exits out of whistler bowl can get quite rowdy and I will need a quick turning ski, so I hope the description of easy pivoting will hold true wink.gif
post #4 of 27

I'd keep the 186. It's full rocker, so it will be almost effortless to ski if you are a good skier. And its for powder, so you definitely should go with the 186. I heard they're very easy to ski, super quick and nimble. 


Edited by SkiSafe - 9/15/14 at 12:41pm
post #5 of 27

For future reference, the recommended weights quoted around here or elsewhere are neeked. We all weight 20-25 lbs more in full gear including boots. Moreover, your height also factors into it; weight determines how easily you can flex the ski, and height, how easily you can pressure the front end.

 

That said, I agree with live2ski. It's said to be a very forgiving ski, and you should have no issues as long as you don't expect to swivel though tight trees or bumps, or carve at low speeds. None of which are in this ski's mission anyway.

 

If you're worried, take a few lessons first thing this season. Generally, the better we are, the longer we can choose to ski (both meanings intentional). Until we're really good; WC slalom racers have been known to freeski them at 60 mph...:eek

post #6 of 27
Thread Starter 

Good to know  - I always wondered if weights included gear or not.

 

I actually put the Volks next to my Wildfires and suddenly they don't feel so scary :)...the wildfires are not significantly shorter and they are only early rise/ with a tiny rocker on the tail....so I am thinking the 186 Volkl will be fine...

 

I did ski a 184 DPS Wailer for a bit and it was fine, sometimes a bit much to turn in tight trees with sloppy heavy snow....I also demo'd the Bent Chetler in 183 in the spring and loved those....ordered the Volkl just to try something totally new ...aka full rocker...

 

I still find it hard classifying myself as a skier - I have taken a few lessons and always end up in level 6, but I believe that has more to do with the fact that I am aggressive and physically strong then my actual ski technique...definitely planning on taking a lesson early season again this year :)

post #7 of 27
You'll be fine.

They ski short.

HB
post #8 of 27

Of course, to HB, anything under 210 skis short. :D

post #9 of 27

No worries; they may seem a little stiff to you, but consider that they are already bent into a turn.  How stiff are your other skis once they have that much reverse camber in them (at the tip and tail|)?

post #10 of 27
Thread Starter 

That's a good point Ghost - I never really considered that aspect. I was a bit caught by surprise when I realized the ski stiffness, since its advertised as a pure pow tool and it feels a lot stiffer then any other dedicated powder ski I have ever tried...

That said, I did buy a Volkl since I wanted to give a more demanding ski a try so I can progress in my skiing - just hope I didn't get more then I can handle :)...

 

I'm actually not so worried in deep untracked, or open bowl skiing ...its the tracked bumped out bottom of the bowls that take you back to the lift that worry me (yes I'm talking to you harmony bowl in Whistler)....that's where I usually struggle and I was hoping a little extra stiffness will help me crush through the chop instead of being bounced around. Surprisingly there is not a ton of review on this ski around?

 

PS I should note that I usually don't buy skis without demoing them, but the combination of some serious early season ski fever and a ridiculous online deal (375$) made it impossible to resist....

 

You guys make me feel like I can handle them - I guess I can always wait to mount them and give them a demo early season here in Whistler, but that requires the kind of patience I genuinely lack  (since they don't bring the nice skis out for demo's till end of December and season hopefully will start mid nov...AKA in 8 weeks :)..)

post #11 of 27

176 would be way to short for you in that ski, keep the 186's for sure.

post #12 of 27

I probably don't get as many day's nor have I skied as many types and styles of skis as a lot of the people on this web site but it seems the manufactuers want us skiing our skis shorter and I don't think their's any thing wrong with it.People that ski 50 or 60 day's a year get to keep their confidence and skills sharp.With the technology and materials they use in skis today and being able to ski them shorter, that can really help the weekend warrior,no matter how good he is,enjoy his time on the mountain.At your size I would be careful getting into the longest size of a certain ski.

post #13 of 27

Oooh, let me jump in. I just got a Line Sick Day 125 in its shortest length, 186. That'll be the longest ski I've owned in years, think I've got a pair of 179s now as my longest. So, at about same height and 10 pounds less than the OP, what do the experts think? I figure this thing skis pretty short with all the rocher (that's how we say rocker in Europe). Views?

post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 

@viking9 totally get what you are saying and up until this ski I have always tried to keep a ski as short as possible, alas that also means I tend to sink (Armada JJ174)  and often overwhelm my skis by folding them in half...hence the trying to go longer and a bit stiffer -

 

Truth be told I would have rather stayed around the 180 side...and was looking long and hard at the Shiro which at 183 (but truly closer to 180) fit that bill.....but the deal on those ones was just too good to not give them a try :)...I know I can sell them after I mount them for what I bought them for....so really nothing to loose...

 

That said, I'm surprised they don't make the One in a longer length? since they make all their other ski's in what I call obscene length (aka 203 :))..

 

PS although fairly new to Alpine skiing ( third season coming up ) I have 10+ years on a board and 4 season on telegear under my belt and for the last 6 years ski about 80-100 days a season, since I'm lucky enough to live on the bottom of the Gondola at Whistler :)....

 

PS @prickly ...Darn, that's a lot of ski!....now I feel perfectly happy with my skinny 116 at 186 :)

post #15 of 27

All your other skis are too short.  Keep the Ones and replace the rest of your quiver with longer skis.

post #16 of 27

So they're 7cms longer than your other skis.  Look at what 7 cms actually is on a ruler - it's not that long.  They're powder skis.  We go wider to get more surface area.  You also get more surface area with length, so as your skis get wider they should get longer.

 

Don't think twice about it.

post #17 of 27

You'll be just fine.

 

I am tiny in comparison to you. 118 lbs and 5'4 almost.

 

Demoed the One last winter very early season, not much soft snow. The only size they had was a 176 which was too long for me to be sure, but I was able to manage it without a problem. If you lay it over with intention it will carve and because of the rocker, carve short turns. It did fine in the hard little bumps that had formed as well. I would have bought them on the spot but wanted to try them in real powder before spending that much. Still hoping to do that ;-P

 

Let us know your impressions of them once you've had a chance to put them through their paces...

post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by LittleSkiNut View Post

Well, I like to blame all the ski porn trailers and the release of the gear guides for my foolish early ski shopping....but here it goes.
I was wondering if any of you guys have some input on sizing for the volkl ones?
I am 5'11 about 185-190 in gear (175-177 without;)) and an intermediate advanced skier.

I have never owned a full rocker ski or a volkl and wanted to try something new and different, but now that they are sitting in my living room those 186 look really big and scary stiff. My other skis are a 179 dps wailer 112, a177 nordica wildfire (same as vagabond) and a 179 salomon 90...

Should I send them back for a pair of 176 or should I start eith a daily squat routine now to built some monster legs to go with those badass skis? Definitely worried the 176 will be to short...I had a pair of 174 armada jj's and they were way to short in any kind of powder...great soft groomer ski at that length fir me wink.gif

I'm 5'7", 150#, and own that ski in a 176.  It's an awesome ski, and a perfect length for me, indicating that it would be too short for you.  The only problem you might run into is that the 186, being their largest length, may be designed for someone that, at your ability level, would be ~190-200#.  I.e., I agree with others here that the 176 would be too short, but I'm not sure if the 186 will be OK -- 10 cm is a big jump, so you may be between lengths on that ski.  Bottom line: I'd say that for you the 176 is a no, the 186 is a probably-but-not-certain.   Here's a review of the 186 by a very strong skier that's close to your size (180#, 5'10"): http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2013-2014-volkl-one  In favor of the 186, he did say "Skiers lighter than me will be psyched on this ski" (though note that this should be interpreted to mean 'skiers lighter than him at his ability level will be psyched.') 

 

You don't need to worry about the turning radius -- the design of this ski allows it to be quite nimble.  It's the best ski for poaching powder in trees I've been on.

I'd recommend the Marker Griffon Schizo bindings for this ski.  They have metal side wings at the heel that give them great lateral stability (good for when you're putting a wide ski like this on edge outside of powder), and will enable you to dial in the performance by playing with binding position.


Edited by chemist - 10/5/14 at 10:23pm
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 

Yep - you pretty much addressed my biggest worry....I have before sized up on a ski that I overpowered , just to find out that the next size up skied nothing like the size I was originally on, since they change the stiffness of the ski drastically.

 

I now have the ski's in house and yep they are stiff underfoot, but the shovels do appear to be quite a bit softer (hard to tell until I get it on snow). I have decided to give them a demo day before mounting them, just to be safe....I do like them (in the garage) and compared to my other ski's they actually don't look soooo monsterous any more.

 

I didn't have any problems with the 184 DPS, just a bit much turning them in tight trees, which is why I stuck with the 179 DPS, which were borderline on float for me on big days, but great for the tracked, where float was not an issue. I will likely hold on to my DPS till I'm sure I can hadle the Volks in all conditions :)...

 

And Ugh, I did search far and wide to see if Volkl does the feared material change for the longest model, but didn't find any info. I went from 171 (WAAYYYY too shot) Moment PBJ to 181 PBJ and they couldn't have skied more differently??? I did always wonder if it may hve been the mount? but I just got rid of both pairs...

post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by LittleSkiNut View Post
 

 

And Ugh, I did search far and wide to see if Volkl does the feared material change for the longest model, but didn't find any info. 

That info. you should be able to get by emailing Volkl.

post #21 of 27
Did you get to try your volkl ones out?
How about a review if you did.
Thanks in advace.
post #22 of 27
Stop thinking so much, and go ski them. You're over-thinking things.
post #23 of 27

@LittleSkiNut OK it's nearly summer now. You sought and received advice. Now's time for payback. How did those Volkls do for you? Do you still own them? did you find any powder this year. bored skiers want to know!

post #24 of 27
Thread Starter 

we never got snow, so I ended up not mounting them :(....I skied my DPS 112's on the good days we had ...the rest of the season I was on my wildfires when there was a smidgen of snow and on my Salomon 90 when there wasn't....I got a lot of days on my Salomon :(....

 

we had many days of big dumps in the alpine, but I'd say 90% of those days, the weather warmed up before the lifts opened which meant a lot of upside down snow pack skiing and not a lot of time in pow this season...I can recall one great day...and a bunch of mediocre pow days....

 

I still have them and still plan to mount them for next season :)....so stay tuned....still humming and haaing about the size :)...

 

In unrelated news I did end up buying a pair of Volkl Mantras at 176, to spice up the low snow season... which I absolutely love....

post #25 of 27
Thread Starter 

Never mounted them :(...No Pow = no need for Big Pow ships...

 

Still panning to mount them for next season though

post #26 of 27

You're fine. Mount them and go skiing... in season of course. :)

post #27 of 27

Thanks LSN.

 

 

Argentina...?

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