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Japan ski for 145lb never powder skier?

post #1 of 20
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I am seriously considering going to Japan this winter, and want to make sure equipment is all it can be. I am planning on skiing as much powder and trees as possible. I am an aggressive advanced skier ( about nine years ) maybe 20 days a year. I have had the chance to ski out west a couple of times, but yet to encounter any serious powder. I currently loooove my rossignol S3's. They are the easiest and most fun skis that I have ever had. Anything heavier or stiffer makes things seem like more work than necessary for my thin legs. I am 5'8" and again 145 lbs. Any deals are appreciated ( old models or top sheets don't matter one bit )yet enjoyment is my number one priority. Any considerations for my light weight and to make this trip the best possible experience, are greatly appreciated!

post #2 of 20

Praxis Protests! You probably can get away with the 177, but I'd talk to Keith about going to 187 in a med/soft layup maybe. Keith is the owner and a really nice guy, always ready to help and answer questions! 

 

Some good guys here ski the Protest and love it, they can speak better than me about it!

 

Another option is to find some old volkl skis, here is a crazy cheap price $295 the 185 should work for you, but I have no idea how stiff/soft they are!

 

http://www.skiessentials.com/2013-volkl-kuro-skis.html


Edited by mfa81 - 9/10/14 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by budmc View Post
 

I am seriously considering going to Japan this winter, and want to make sure equipment is all it can be. I am planning on skiing as much powder and trees as possible. I am an aggressive advanced skier ( about nine years ) maybe 20 days a year. I have had the chance to ski out west a couple of times, but yet to encounter any serious powder. I currently loooove my rossignol S3's. They are the easiest and most fun skis that I have ever had. Anything heavier or stiffer makes things seem like more work than necessary for my thin legs. I am 5'8" and again 145 lbs. Any deals are appreciated ( old models or top sheets don't matter one bit )yet enjoyment is my number one priority. Any considerations for my light weight and to make this trip the best possible experience, are greatly appreciated!

 

well, if you like the s3, then you would be remise not to consider the soul7, sin7 or smash7. Even more manueverable than the s3; but perhaps no deals to be found on these.

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Thank you I will definitely look into the praxis!

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OP: Don't know about deals, but second the idea of a Rossi Soul 7. Which can be had at REI for $630 if you subtract the 10% membership discount. Or Super 7 if you're taking the S3 too. Last year's Line Sir Frances Bacon or Salomon Rocker2 108 would work well too, and you can score a 2013-2014 SFB or Rocker 2 108 right now for <$600.  http://www.untracked.com/p4898c44b88-14_line_sir_francis_bacon_sfb_freeride_skis.html    http://www.evo.com/skis/salomon-rocker2-108-2014.aspx#image=67677/342400/clone.jpg&select=true&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&utm_campaign=EB-67677-1003 Both are respected, fun soft snow skis for lighter guys. And they both have solid graphics to boot. So I think the Soul 7 is the most versatile of the bunch, but if the extra $150-$200 is too much, then the other two. You might look on Fleabay too. 

 

Everyone: Agree Praxis Protest is great ski, but notice this poster has never skied powder, is 5' 9", weighs 145 (a 187 in Japanese woods? Have you ever been to Japan? :eek),  and will be using this in literally foreign terrain. He will want something that's versatile, forgiving, feels something like what he's used to, and - if he's not taking his S3 - can handle whatever he comes across. If the point of our advice is to make sure he has a great time with gear that fits his needs, rather than let him know how much we think of our own skis, then....


Edited by beyond - 9/10/14 at 2:29pm
post #6 of 20

You have many good choices. Use search to find a range of similar threads. Bent Chetlers, JJs, Volkl One or Two, Rocker 2 115s or 122ss, etc, etc....  You just need them to be the right size (likely 175-180).

 

I too am a Praxis fan. I'd be torn between a Protest and a Powder Board for that trip. For my .02, if price is an issue, and you will be skiing virtually all powder, and you want to maximize the surf - consider the 2012 Powder Boards. Keith still has a few of them. They are no longer officially listed on the site, but you may be able to snag a pair if you talk to him. The 180s might be a good choice. If you go that route, be sure to get updated mount point instructions for that generation.

 

Regarding the Protest.... If you go that route, at your weight you are better off with the 177 IMO. 

 

If you expect to ski much non-powder along the way, something else might be in order. Things like the Praxis GPO, Atomic Automatic, Rossi Super 7, etc,

 

For the kind of skiing I'd hope to do in Japan, I would not drop below 115mm - even if I were 70 pounds lighter :) 

 

As for no powder experience, IMO true powder sis are the only way to jump right in on a trip like that. Even S3s would have a pretty steep learning curve.

 

Enjoy the varied opinions...

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Spin, there are some key phrases you use that make me go hmmm. :D First, "kind of skiing I'd hope to do..." For sure. Me too. But what happens when the skiing isn't what you'd hope for, and you have choice of not going that weekend or going with a reverse reverse to navigate crud, settled wet crust, and hardpack? My ACL's shudder in anticipation of his learning curve on ice.

 

Second, "true powder skis are the only way to jump right in..." Would any other member here write off fat, moderate flex skis with rocker but traditional sidecut as "not true" powder skis? That's a highly, ah, personalized opinion. 

 

Ditto for the notion that he should not drop below 115 mm. At his weight, that will have as much float as a 125-130 mm for a normal sized male! We could play a little imaginary game, in fact, called "What would Keith say?" I'll bet he wouldn't be pushing the PP or Protest. I'm thinking the MVP, actually, if we think about a do-all for a lighter skier with no previous experience in powder. In fact, should have mentioned that model along with the Soul 7, SFB etc. 

 

Just asking for a little truth in advertising, y'know, like you never met a ski under 110 that you wanted to date...

post #8 of 20
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well, if you like the s3, then you would be remise not to consider the soul7, sin7 or smash7. Even more manueverable than the s3; but perhaps no deals to be found on these.
Actually I foolishly own a pair of sin7's but I think I want to go as wide and as light and as soft playful user friendly as possible. Is that good thinking? I would gladly use the s3's or sin7's except I don't think they would make my learning curve in powder easy.
post #9 of 20
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Btw when I say foolishly own sin7's. I mean they are a second ski with same width. Just bought them and should have thought ahead to this trip and purchased at least the soul 7's. But I'm sure you guys can help me justify another set!
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What length are the Sin 7's?

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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post

well, if you like the s3, then you would be remise not to consider the soul7, sin7 or smash7. Even more manueverable than the s3; but perhaps no deals to be found on these.
Actually I foolishly own a pair of sin7's but I think I want to go as wide and as light and as soft playful user friendly as possible. Is that good thinking? I would gladly use the s3's or sin7's except I don't think they would make my learning curve in powder easy.

 

Okay, you do know, that - Japan or no Japan - if you keep planning on skiing deep untracked powder you won't get any, right? 

 

I mean, sure, bring condoms if you want. But bring a book, too, so you can enjoy the trip however it turns out.

post #12 of 20

OP: If you mean that you have the new Sin 7, then sorry, but 9 mm isn't going to create a dramatic enough diffence to justify 6+ Benjamins. If you want to buy another ski just cuz, sure go for it. But you already seem to have what you'll need for 90% of the time; you can rent something if there's an epic dump that we all fantasize about. And the lighter weight, narrower waist of the Sin will more than make up for any reduction in float (it'll float about like a 110 for average sized guy); that 98-100 width is the one I see the most in eastern trees.

 

Alternatively, go buy something wider like the Super 7 in 180, last season's Patron in 177, last seasons's Rocker 2 122 in 180 cm (which is a 115 at that length), maybe that GPO in a softer flex. It'll sit in the closet most days, make you very happy once in a while. Although like qcanoe says, if you just leave it home, you'll get more powder. ;)

post #13 of 20
Whereabouts in Japan?
Hokkaido or Honshu?
If Hokkaido, you don't need all the over analysis., just go fat and rockered. Fat skis are the norm and you will be predominately skiing powder (be aware that many Japanese ski hills have strict off piste rules. Niseko has gate accessed side country)
Both my teenage kids are on 113mm waisted skis when in Japan.
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A more versatile ski would be required for Honshu. Think Utah as comparison ( so I've been told as I haven't skied in Utah yet)

FWIW, I'm going to Nagano, Honshu in Jan. I'll be taking my Hokkaido skis ( Élan Boomerangs) and my Mantra's for between storms. I have used 130 -140mm waisted skis over there but have found my 120waisted Boomerangs to be a great Hokkaido all rounder. Honshu tends to get more breaks between it's storms therefor I'll squeeze the Mantras in just in case.

I agree with Spindthrifts earlier statements. If you are heading all the way to Japan from the US for an epic pow trip, get some serious pow skis.
Alternatively, you could buy some US all rounder "pow skis" and rent some serious pow skis when needed. Many do this.

Beacon/shovel/probe??
post #14 of 20

First, WHEN are you coming to Japan? Makes a huge difference.

Second, WHERE do you plan to ski? Makes a huge difference.

Third, will you be going back country or just resort/side country? Makes an even huger difference.

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What length are the Sin 7's?


164's which is stupid short, but again I love light and easy and they have a longer effective running length than my short s3's. And of course float is a whole different thing than stability.

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164's which is stupid short, but again I love light and easy and they have a longer effective running length than my short s3's. And of course float is a whole different thing than stability.

Yeah that would be a bit short to use them for a powder ski in Japan. As mentioned above, where in Japan and when?

post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by jimintokyo View Post
 

First, WHEN are you coming to Japan? Makes a huge difference.

Second, WHERE do you plan to ski? Makes a huge difference.

Third, will you be going back country or just resort/side country? Makes an even huger difference.


Sorry for the delay, I needed to dig up the itinerary. Myoko Kogenfirst within first couple weeks of February. It's with evo they are running a couple of trips and I hope that they would take us to the best snow resorts etc available at the moment. So it is not a back country adventure just should be tons of snow yes?

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If this is the trip I am guessing it is,  Bryce Phillips may on that trip. Now he is a crazy strong & gutsy skier. But Bryce is a pretty small guy. Probably does not weigh all that much more than the OP does. I'm not sure what he is on these days, but for years he skied Pontoons and then Pon2oons exclusively (was sponsored by K2 for some time - but he believed in those skis for sure). I'd go so far as to say he borders on being allergic to both groomers and narrow skis. So you might factor that in. Even if the evo crew does not include Bryce. the philosophy is likely to be the same....
 
It might be worth calling evo to ask about these questions. Here are a few videos/links that might be useful if you have not scoped them out. Some searching might reveal more.

 

 

 

http://culture.evo.com/2014/03/never-a-bad-winter-japan-edition/

 

I'd see who from evo is likely to be along. And what they think. I'd also check with evo about the amount of hiking and skinning as that might influence your choice of binding, etc... 

 

I'll say again, especially now that I know the trip, if I were a newb powder skier and were tackling that trip, I'd be all over skis that made powder skiing super easy.

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I'll say again, especially now that I know the trip, if I were a newb powder skier and were tackling that trip, I'd be all over skis that made powder skiing super easy.
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Yep. If you have never skied powder then get decent powder skis.

I'm heading to Myoko and Nozawa in late Jan.
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As I replied to your PM, for that kind of cost I'd opt for a week's cat-skiing up in BC. 
But if you want a Japan experience just buy a cheap air ticket and do your own trip; being spoon-fed a couple of tourist sites as part of a big group of foreigners is hardly worth the extra you'll pay. Japan is a very easy place for foreign visitors, and there are plenty of foreign skiers/boarders here who'll be glad to offer advice and hit the mountain with you.

Bring your S3s, my friend about your size/weight skied his all season in Niseko. Easy to find some cheap used fatter skis if you think you need them.

 

At either Hakuba or Myoko you're going to be skiing a lot of groomed/bumped stuff to get back to the lifts; yes you may get some knee-deep days, or you might get some iced-up crud (just like anywhere else). 

Anyway, do some research and if you decide to make the trip (with Evo or on your own) get in touch.

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