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Panorama/Revy/Kicking Horse Trip(Dec 13-26) Travel Tips?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

I have a week in Panorama at a 2 bedroom ski in and out condo on Dec13-20.

I got the week for $209 through RCI. Thats about $30 a night. I was then going to head to

Revelstoke/Kicking Horse/Lake Louise for the remaining portion of the trip. I have the Mountain Collective Pass which has added LL and Sunshine. I haven't booked my flight yet. Thinking of

going in to Calgary. I am flexible with the first leg of my trip. I could take a off a couple days

early since my condo is cheap. I definitely want to ski Revy for 3 days. Its tops on resorts I

have never been too. I booked the week at Panorama because of the cheap resort. One night at the Sutton Hotel in Revy is more than my week. I may stay there.

 

I know early season conditions are unpredictable. I worry about Panorama, but I am not super picky either if they got a few decent groomer chairs going.

 

Travel Plan (open to Changes)

Dec 13- Flying to Calgary drom San Francisco

Dec14-19 Panorama

Dec 20- Kicking Horse

Dec 21-23 Revelstoke

Dec 24 -Kicking Horse

Dec 25-26- LL and Sunshine

Dec 26 Evening Flight to San Franisco

 

Any travel tips or comments would be helpful?

post #2 of 21

Fun trip!  If the early season is sparse there will be at the very least snow guns cranking on the groomers at Panorama.  One thing you should be aware of:  Rogers Pass (from Golden to Revelstoke) is subject to fairly frequent winter closures.  It is big avalanche terrain so when there is a storm cycle they pull out the heavy artillery and start blasting.  Hence the popular local phrase "Revelstuck".

 

If you're stuck on either side of the pass by a storm keep skiing Revy or Kicking Horse and have fun!

 

-Bruce

 

p.s. what is RCI?  Sounds like a super deal.

post #3 of 21

Here are 2 of my TR's

 

The first is KH & Revy...

http://www.epicski.com/t/82314/tr-kicking-horse-revelstoke-b-c-2-25-3-7

 

This one is a few years earlier & contains KH & Panorama...

http://www.epicski.com/t/53764/ski-safari-montana-b-c

 

There are a bunch more by others to be found.

 

I really like the terrain at KH.

post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by SunValleySteve View Post
 

I have a week in Panorama at a 2 bedroom ski in and out condo on Dec13-20.

I got the week for $209 through RCI. Thats about $30 a night. I was then going to head to

Revelstoke/Kicking Horse/Lake Louise for the remaining portion of the trip. I have the Mountain Collective Pass which has added LL and Sunshine. I haven't booked my flight yet. Thinking of

going in to Calgary. I am flexible with the first leg of my trip. I could take a off a couple days

early since my condo is cheap. I definitely want to ski Revy for 3 days. Its tops on resorts I

have never been too. I booked the week at Panorama because of the cheap resort. One night at the Sutton Hotel in Revy is more than my week. I may stay there.

 

I know early season conditions are unpredictable. I worry about Panorama, but I am not super picky either if they got a few decent groomer chairs going.

 

Travel Plan (open to Changes)

Dec 13- Flying to Calgary drom San Francisco

Dec14-19 Panorama

Dec 20- Kicking Horse

Dec 21-23 Revelstoke

Dec 24 -Kicking Horse

Dec 25-26- LL and Sunshine

Dec 26 Evening Flight to San Franisco

 

Any travel tips or comments would be helpful?

Get through Rogers Pass (between KH and RMR) as early in the trip as possible, so quit skiing a bit early at Panorama on the 19th and drive all the way to Revy, then do the 3 days at RMR and then back through Rogers Pass for 2 days at KH.

 

It is a good idea to book rooms in advance for Revelstoke as it is a very popular area for snowmobilers so hotels and motels can fill up fast. Most places in the town of Revelstoke offer lift tickets and room packages and are less expensive than the hotel (Sutton Place ?) right at the base of RMR.

post #5 of 21

^^^^^

All good advice. I would only add that you should also bring your rock skis or be prepared to rent just is case.

post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the advice

 

1. I think I will drive straight through to Revy on the 19th if the roads are open, and do 2 days at KH on the way back. Thats good advice. 

 

2. I will be sure to call Revy for hotel deals and packages

 

3. I have some old volkl mantras that are in great condition, but that I dont use much. I probably will

bring those skis and leave my Kastle MX 88 at home. 

 

4. Hopefully the limited terrain will keep me happy. 

post #7 of 21

Whitewater has been known to have decent coverage by Christmas...

 

 

But not always, of course. The above was December 20 a couple of years ago.

post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by CanmoreBruce View Post
 

 

p.s. what is RCI?  Sounds like a super deal.

RCI is a large time share exchange operation. You gotta own time or points somewhere.

post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 

Wow!!!!!!! December Powder. Right now I am thinking of canceling my cheap condo resy at Panorama, I have to Sep 13th to cancel and only pay a $50 fee. I was rethinking of going on a Mid Jan Trip via Spokanne to Red-Whitewater-Revy and back. The airfare to Calgary is expensive for my wife and I. I am worried about poor snow conditions in Mid December. I hate to take valuable vacation days to ski rocky conditions. My end goal is to go to Revy. I will see for myself if its worth it or not. Whitewater and the town of Nelson would be a fun stop over.

post #10 of 21

You might want to keep Panorama. It will be skiable even if the early season is poor. They make snow and manage it well, from what I hear. I've never been there.

 

Whitewater does some grooming, but has no snowmaking at all. Nonetheless, the early season has been pretty good for 8 of the last 10 years, with the caveats that

1. Some places at Whitewater need a lot of snow, and

2. Next year could be one of the bad ones. No promises.

post #11 of 21

You should absolutely cancel December in Panorama, especially if a mid-January trip to Spokane is an alternative. 

 

Panorama has one of the worst natural snow records in western Canada.  You'll be skiing only manmade trails in mid-December. Why would someone fly from SF to Canada for that?.  You have far better odds of great skiing in Tahoe mid-December (remember 2010 and 2012?).  You can do that last minute but stay home and spend nothing if it's crappy like 2011 and 2013. 

 

Kicking Horse is also fairly likely to be limited skiing. The lower mountain doesn't get any more snow than Panorama and a lot of the upper terrain is very steep so needs lots of cover (think Squaw).  Lake Louise and Sunshine are not high snowfall areas either and are much better late season than early season.  The only high snowfall areas accessible from Calgary are Fernie and Revelstoke, and they are in divergent directions so hard to do on the same trip. 

 

Spokane/Red/Whitewater/Revelstoke in mid-January is near optimal for the latter 2 areas and not unreasonable for Red, which gets less snow.  Allow lots of time for the Nelson to Revelstoke drive, which is on a slow road and includes a once-per -hour ferry crossing. 

post #12 of 21

I almost always wait until mid Jan. for Skier-Rver road trips, so I fully agree if the OP can go in Mid Jan. instead of mid Dec.Thumbs Up

 

I've never been to Panarama and it is not on my bucket list but if it delivers cheap accommodation I wasn't going to discourage the OP. However flying to Spokane in Mid Jan. and skiing Red, Whitewater and RMR makes the most sense and in spite of the free ferry trip across Upper Arrow Lake (runs 7am to midnight) it is the most reliable route to Revelstoke with no Trans-Canada Highway closures because with that itinerary there is no need to travel on the Trans-Canada Highway.

post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
 

You should absolutely cancel December in Panorama, especially if a mid-January trip to Spokane is an alternative. 

 

Panorama has one of the worst natural snow records in western Canada.  You'll be skiing only manmade trails in mid-December. Why would someone fly from SF to Canada for that?. 

 

Spokane/Red/Whitewater/Revelstoke in mid-January is near optimal for the latter 2 areas and not unreasonable for Red, which gets less snow.  Allow lots of time for the Nelson to Revelstoke drive, which is on a slow road and includes a once-per -hour ferry crossing. 

Tony is right, of course. My suggestion to keep Panorama was simply because they do make snow, so they'll have skiing. It's not exactly the western Canada skiing experience, though. Their reputation for good grooming and not much else is part of the reason I've never been there.

 

If you can change the dates of your trip, that's better. I didn't catch that that was an option.

post #14 of 21

Sounds like there is a reason Panorama is $30/nt those dates.

here is my trip report for KH, Revi & LL.

I liked KH & LL much better than Revi, maybe i was there at the wrong time. 

KH has a "vibe" that appeals to me. Revi, not so much.

post #15 of 21

I never consider a trip anywhere in the interior prior to January.  Even mid January often has low snow packs in the areas your looking at. The interior hills  require a good pack to open the more interesting terrain. Panorama and Sun Peaks do open early even with pretty limited coverage but even there  the best of the terrain won't be.  

 

Panorama gets a lot of negative comments. It is mainly a cruiser hill but it also has an entire bowl  (Tayton)  which offers some pretty nice pitches that can be fabulous if they get fresh snow.  Tayton used to be only accessible via the local heli ski outfit and now it requires 3 chairs and a traverse each run but its worth a stop on a tour.     

post #16 of 21

just also consider if Revy is your ultimate goal and your flying from San Fran - Driving from Vancouver -Bellingham or Seattle is faster than from Spokane     

post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the tips......I am leaning toward cancelling, and going in mid jan.  I have 2 more days to cancel.....I would like to ski Panorama a few days, but 5-6 days in mid Dec is probably not a  great idea.....there is a reason RCI offers cheap deals early season

 

I have enough time for a 10 day trip mid January. I have to pick an airport. I picked Spokane because Southwest fly's in and out at night giving me more ski days, By flying into Kelowna I lose 2 days of skiing because of the flight schedule from SF/Oakland area in California.

 

How about flying into Vancouver and out of Calgary? Is that doable?

 

I have a MC Pass which gives me 2 free days in Whistler and LL/Sunshine.

 

I could go Whistler/Sun Peaks/Revy/KH/LL and Sunshine????

post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by SunValleySteve View Post
 

Thanks for all the tips......I am leaning toward cancelling, and going in mid jan.  I have 2 more days to cancel.....I would like to ski Panorama a few days, but 5-6 days in mid Dec is probably not a  great idea.....there is a reason RCI offers cheap deals early season

 

I have enough time for a 10 day trip mid January. I have to pick an airport. I picked Spokane because Southwest fly's in and out at night giving me more ski days, By flying into Kelowna I lose 2 days of skiing because of the flight schedule from SF/Oakland area in California.

 

How about flying into Vancouver and out of Calgary? Is that doable?

 

I have a MC Pass which gives me 2 free days in Whistler and LL/Sunshine.

 

I could go Whistler/Sun Peaks/Revy/KH/LL and Sunshine????

 

This could work quite well but flying into one airport and out by another might be expensive. If you do this trip, driving from Whistler to Sun Peaks via the back way on Highway 99 through Pemberton and Lilloett on the way to Kamloops saves a lot of time.

post #19 of 21
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there is a reason RCI offers cheap deals early season

That's the same reason lots of ski areas offer cheap deals early season.  Don't get suckered into them until you know there is adequate snow on the ground.  Mid-December most of those lodging deals will still be available last minute because it's the "dead zone" of the travel business. 

 

I will not be skiing early December this year because we will be scuba diving on the Truk Odyssey.  This is a low volume, very high demand liveaboard quite analogous to the top snowcat lodges.  It is 95+% sold out for over a year in advance, but those first 2 weeks of December are among the very few with availablity.  And also at that time we were able to use cheap tier United mileage to avoid the exorbitant monopoly airfares to Micronesia. 

 

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How about flying into Vancouver and out of Calgary? Is that doable?

Very doable, but check first on the car rental to see if the one-way drop charge makes the idea uneconomical. 

post #20 of 21

Vancouver/Seattle in and Calgary out is ideal but if not just return rental to the same airport - its not really that big of a loop. Just  5-6 hours driving first day and last. Everything else is under 2hr apart. I do it at least twice a season. Very easy road trip. . 

post #21 of 21

I would agree that Panorama isn't know for a deep snowpack, but this from today at Panorama Village...

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