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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
This will be my last post to this site. After reading some of the recent threads, I simply cannot stomach the attitudes around here any longer.

The comments by Gonzostrike and his pals about the boarder that died were too much. How can you tolerate people like that? You might as well said “I’m glad he died, cause he was a stoopid bonehead boarder.” Your comments were not “black humor”. They were rude beyond human decency. Apologies with excuses are not apologies.

The intolerance shown by this crowd is just amazing. Snowboarders are bonehead jerks. Kids in the terrain park are high-octane jerks. Skiers who throw tricks off cliffs are dangerous jerks. Skiers who ski fast are jerks lacking finesse. Skiers who stop in runs are obstacle jerks. Skiers who use longer skis are chest-thumping jerks. Skiers who don’t aspire to ski just like their PSIA instructor are moronic jerks.

Unfortunately, this site seems to represent the big blue moral majority. For so many years, your attitudes have held sway over a slowly shrinking population of “real skiers”. You bemoan the fact that the younger generation doesn’t want to ski like you. Well, news for you – there are other ways to enjoy the sport. They are growing, revitalizing the mountains. You don’t like them, get the flock off the slopes.

Maybe this site should be nicknamed the “leading internet site for blue cruisers who don’t care to share the slopes”.
post #2 of 28
1. I happen to like and ski regularly with virtually every type you have mentioned as disliked by this site. Many others here do as well. You are trying to tightly characterize a very diverse group of people (the population of this community), and that is why your argument does not make much sense. There are members of this site who agree with you, and there are those that do not. That is what a discussion forum is all about.

2. Those comments seem awfully judgmental from one who seems to dislike others casting judgments.
post #3 of 28
"This crowd"? HOW MANY POSTS troubled you? Out of HOW MANY MEMBERS? While I might agree with your sensibility re the death and how it was received and reviewed (by a few), the conclusion you reach about "this site" deserves a cheesey epic emoticon, so... :
post #4 of 28
Don't let the door smack you on the backside on the way out.

Mark
post #5 of 28
Before everyone is so quick to jump all over Willy, there have been many threads of late that have been a bit churlish. It is not difficult to understand that a relative newcomer would think it appropriate to respond in kind. As to the glee that some expressed over the death of a young man. That both offended and saddened me. It is not what I would have thought I would see here.

Willy, you have said you’re gone so I doubt you will see this. That is OK, many have come and gone and the site continues to flourish.
post #6 of 28
that's why Baskin Robbins makes so many flavors of ice cream.

Willy - your ability to read my mind and know my heart is impressive. I suggest you quit your day job and become a soothsayer. I think our current President could use you in helping to find out what Saddam Hussein is thinking right now.
post #7 of 28
Actually, Gonzo ~ Yours was perhaps the most repulsive post of ALL of them. I don't care to "know your heart" any further than what you posted yesterday. I doubt many others do, either.

Unfortunately, the thread was pulled, I'm guessing, so that Wear the Fox Hat could save what little face he may have had left.

Personally, I was hoping it would have stayed a little longer so that more people could have seen what some of their glorified "Leaders" were all about...
post #8 of 28
I have no leader
post #9 of 28
Willy, why leave if the site has some value to you. If you don't like what some people post, ignore it.

I am also disappointed that the other thread got pulled. I felt that some people did not understand the point I was trying to make. :
post #10 of 28
You are now free, Willy.
post #11 of 28
Willy,

If you must leave, by all rights, do. However to leave in a manner that tarnishes this forum as a whole, when your evidence is taken from just a tiny portion of the population is truly unjust!!

Maybe you should spend some of your newfound free time helping the new Homeland Security department monitor the speech of good honest citizens who only want to say what is on their mind. . . . .You, and 'they' both seem to think that a silly constitutional right like free speech has no place in the society of today!!!!
post #12 of 28
Whats wrong with this site?

Answer: Threads like this.
post #13 of 28
those Orcas are so cute when they leap out of the water.

Free Willy! [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #14 of 28
Quote:
I think our current President could use you in helping to find out what Saddam Hussein is thinking right now.
Willy how about ya flip Gonzos statement and help us all out? ....
post #15 of 28
poor guy...
post #16 of 28
EPSki,
1. I have no face to save, as anyone who has met me knows.
2. I'm not a leader. A leader is someone who has followers. People do not follow me, therefore I am not a leader. (This is always a good check for anyone who thinks they are a leader)
3. My reference to Darwin Awards is something which was meant to be fairly obvious to those who read that site. It is full of stories of those who, through lack of foresight or intelligence, take themselves out of the gene pool. Some may find it sick or even disgusting, others find it educating and, at times, very funny.

Willy (and others whom I may have offended),
I have no intention to deliberately offend people in an unprovoked way, and if as a result of my posts, you feel I personally attacked you, then I apologise.
If I did not personally attack you, and yet you still feel offended, then perhaps it is because I don't understand you, and you don't understand me, to contextualise the posts. My suggestion to resolve this is I shall read all your posts, to try to understand you better, and I expect you to read all mine. Once we have done that, perhaps then we will both understand each other better.

S
post #17 of 28
I've just gone through Willy's other posts, and now have a better understanding of the kind of person he is, based on his posts.

In a thread about ski manufacturers, I had responded to a comment that another had made and the main thrust of what I said was: "...you've already covinced yourself that you won't be able to ski better on them, so of course you won't ... Hopefully others will try new ideas with more open minds!"
Now, to me, this is perfectly correct. If you go in with an attitude of failure, then failure is the most likely result. If you go in with a more open mind, then perhaps you will learn something.

Willy said of me "you are ignorant of skiing techniques beyond your own".
He is 100% correct. If I knew the techniques, then I'd incorporate them into my skiing. This is why I continue to want to learn and grow.

He finished his post by saying I needed to have a more open mind. That may be true, but until Mary Jane is legalised, I'm not sure how I can open my mind up and further. [img]smile.gif[/img]

S
post #18 of 28
Willy, First of all, this is the good ole US of A! We can and do say pretty much anything we feel like saying without the fear of persecution and prosecution.

There are a lot of different characters on this forum who all have different opinions about all sorts of topics, and voice their opinions some times jokingly, mostly honestly. You just have to sort out things the way you want to and go from there.

I always speak my mind. Tell it the way I feel. Right or wrong. So do most other people here. That's the way it should be.

If you must leave, so be it. But your input is valued and listened to. Right or wrong, it gives you the power to be heard. To voice your opinion. I wouldn't quit if I were you.
post #19 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
EPSki,
1. I have no face to save, as anyone who has met me knows.
2. I'm not a leader. A leader is someone who has followers. People do not follow me, therefore I am not a leader. (This is always a good check for anyone who thinks they are a leader)
3. My reference to Darwin Awards is something which was meant to be fairly obvious to those who read that site. It is full of stories of those who, through lack of foresight or intelligence, take themselves out of the gene pool. Some may find it sick or even disgusting, others find it educating and, at times, very funny.

S
Wtfh:

1. Diversion with humor? Suspect, to say the least.
2. Ok, we both agree you're not a Leader. But you ARE a supporter. And as such, I'm surprised by the comment you made & the callousness of it.
3. I am very familiar with the Darwin Awards. As are most people. This wasn't some schmuck who decided to put his cigarette out in a can of gasoline, this was a Professional US snowboarder at an International Competition in Japan. Not your average heel-slider. Obviously, he didn't excercise much in the way of "good judgement", but I'm sure it didn't cross his mind that he was endangering his own life. The comment was unnecessary, plain and simple.

As you've seen with your own eyes, there have been several people who were VERY put off by your and others' comments about the accident. SO put off, in fact ~ They've decided to leave this site and go elsewhere. That OUGHT to tell you something.

Allow me to give you an example or two:

Did you make jokes about the Columbia disaster? After all, they HAVE to be Darwin candidates, right? They went in KNOWING they might not make it home. "They're in Outer SPACE, for cryin' out loud - What did they EXPECT??"

How about when Dale Earnhardt died? Did you have something witty to say about that? Another Darwin candidate? Because he drove cars at about 200mph? I know, he was ASKING for it, right?

I'm sorry, Fox ~ your humor is lost on me.
post #20 of 28
Okay, EPSki and Fox, you've each had your say, now please let it go. Thanks.
post #21 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by AC:
Okay, EPSki and Fox, you've each had your say, now please let it go. Thanks.
Done.
post #22 of 28
We asked everyone to drop it! Please do.

[ February 27, 2003, 11:26 AM: Message edited by: dchan ]
post #23 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
He finished his post by saying I needed to have a more open mind. That may be true, but until Mary Jane is legalised, I'm not sure how I can open my mind up and further. [img]smile.gif[/img]

S
Two words for you fox: Salvia Divinorum. Its legal and mind altering.

Mark
post #24 of 28
Don't worry, Gonz - I'm not going anywhere. AC asked that it be dropped. It's dropped.

Thanks. Let's keep it that way.
DC

[ February 27, 2003, 11:27 AM: Message edited by: dchan ]
post #25 of 28
I think we have to accept that the way we look at accidents like this can be different from the way much of the general public looks at them. We (as people who are willing to accept risk in the name of sport) look at it and think what a shame and a loss. Others will look at it and say that guy was crazy and was bound to kill himself one way or another. Heck my own parents basically told me I was asking for it when I tore my ACL skiing bumps. "That'll teach you to quit doing that crazy stuff." (Yeah, right. And how many people here would call me insane for skiing bumps?)

My point is, if you're doing something that is WAY outside the comfort zone of the average person, and hurt or kill yourself doing it, you're might not get much sympathy from those people. They're just going to say "What did you expect?" Most of us here realize that you build up to these things and it isn't that ridiculous of a "stunt" for someone capable of pulling it off. It's a tragedy that he died. Do you think he was concerned with the respect of people who thought his lifestyle was crazy? - I doubt it.
post #26 of 28
somebody please delete this thread GUYS ITS A FREAKIN MESSAGE BOARD. I could see this happening during the summer when there's no skiing to be had but come on guys GO SKI!!! Stop bickering like a bunch of 5 year olds!

That is all..........
post #27 of 28
laser: I'll second that!!! Just what is really going on here kids?? :
post #28 of 28
Making jokes about death and disasters it's usually a survival tool , the most dangerous or bloody the place the more tasteless the jokes .
Think about M.A.S.H. , ( or any emergency ward)as a common example .
Skiing in a rocky 45 degrees icy couloir IS dangerous , so we are supposed to make some tasteless jokes ( without exageration) .
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