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post #31 of 45
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View PostNo way  the all around nylon brush is going F up your skis!

 

The nylon is safe as houses -  but I see a *lot* of horse hair brushes being bought and I'm betting not all of those buyers are using fine structure and wax harder than CH6  (Boolean 'AND' here, meaning at the same time).

 

Iskiburke's point about tech skis and rec skis having far more durable bases than race skis is well taken.

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This!

I appreciate a good joke, even if I am the Head...........I  mean butt of it!;) 


Edited by Atomicman - 8/31/14 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by L&AirC View Post
 

 

 

I'm with you.  I was quoting iskiburke.  Edited my last post for clarity because I was rushing before and didn't do it the correct way (quoting that is).

Ken, I knew that! Thumbs Up 


Edited by Atomicman - 8/31/14 at 10:40am
post #34 of 45
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No way  the all around nylon brush is going F up your skis!

The nylon is safe as houses -  but I see a *lot* of horse hair brushes being bought and I'm betting not all of those buyers are using fine structure and wax harder than CH6  (Boolean 'AND' here, meaning at the same time)..
I guess that's why I've been phasing out the white nylon brush, which does pretty much nothing, and spending more time with horse hair. Maybe I should even switch from using medium brass as my first brush to something finer, like fine brass...I don't use hard waxes, but all but one pair of my skis have pretty fine structure. So if I, a relative novice, notice that much of a difference, your Boolean and may not be necessary. smile.gif
post #35 of 45

I have an old stiff horsehair/brass combo brush, (I am not sure they even make them anymore) that was one of my favs.  I use it first. Pre wax & Never more than 800 RPM 

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I have an old stiff horsehair/brass combo brush, (I am not sure they even make them anymore) that was one of my favs.  I use it first. Pre wax & Never more than 800 RPM 

 

   SVST roto HH/brass? I've still got mine too, though she's gettin' a tad long in the tooth :D. Pretty sure they don't make those anymore...

 

     zenny

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

No way  the all around nylon brush is going F up your skis!

The nylon is safe as houses -  but I see a *lot* of horse hair brushes being bought and I'm betting not all of those buyers are using fine structure and wax harder than CH6  (Boolean 'AND' here, meaning at the same time)..
I guess that's why I've been phasing out the white nylon brush, which does pretty much nothing, and spending more time with horse hair.

 

Wait, IIRC you use Hertel Hotsauce.   The white nylon roto does nothing or next to nothing?      That is *very* surprising.        Certainly doesn't match my results - I even use a hand brush for that stuff.

post #38 of 45
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   SVST roto HH/brass? I've still got mine too, though she's gettin' a tad long in the tooth :D. Pretty sure they don't make those anymore...

 

     zenny

I think mine is a Red Creek

post #39 of 45
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I think mine is a Red Creek

 

  Nice! I've got a red creek fine steel...spendy :eek

 

   zenny

post #40 of 45
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Wait, IIRC you use Hertel Hotsauce. The white nylon roto does nothing or next to nothing? That is *very* surprising. Certainly doesn't match my results - I even use a hand brush for that stuff.

I don't have roto brushes (yet). The white nylon is my second brush, after the Swix medium-coarse bronze oval brush I replaced the rectangular one with, both of which take off almost all the surface wax.

ETA: Also, I use a pretty fine structure on my skis, except one pair that has more of a medium structure. That might explain why you get more results with your white nylon.

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I have an old stiff horsehair/brass combo brush, (I am not sure they even make them anymore) that was one of my favs.  I use it first. Pre wax

   SVST roto HH/brass? I've still got mine too, though she's gettin' a tad long in the tooth biggrin.gif . Pretty sure they don't make those anymore...

     zenny

Here's an SVST brass/horsehair combo, but at 12" long it may not meet your needs. biggrin.gif

So do you all use a sequence of roto brushes the way we mortals do with hand brushes? I confess I tend to get overwhelmed shopping for brushes because the options seem to be endless--3, 6, and 10mm bristles of black, blue, or white nylon, fine or regular steel, or HH.

As far as compatibility goes, the websites say Toko, Swix and Red Creek are compatible, but SVST handles/brushes aren't compatible with any other brands. Which makes sense, since the SVST brushes are 90 or 150mm, and the others are 100mm or 140mm for the double brushes. SVST and the other brands seem to cost about the same, so for those of you who use SVST, is there anything in particular you like about their system?
post #41 of 45
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PSA: Here's an SKS brass/horsehair brush--on sale for $60, plus 25% discount = $45. Compatible with Toko, Swix, Red Creek.

ETA: the 25% off sale ended, and racewax.com is back to 10% off. Still probably not bad.
Edited by litterbug - 9/1/14 at 8:28pm
post #42 of 45
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As far as compatibility goes, the websites say Toko, Swix and Red Creek are compatible, but SVST handles/brushes aren't compatible with any other brands. Which makes sense, since the SVST brushes are 90 or 150mm, and the others are 100mm or 140mm for the double brushes. SVST and the other brands seem to cost about the same, so for those of you who use SVST, is there anything in particular you like about their system?


The svst brushes are really nice. All metal, really smooth and well made. The thing I like the most is that they come in a wide version which works great for an even pass on wide skis. As far as I know they are the widest at 150mm without going to a 300mm snowboard brush. SKS has a 130mm which covers most skis. If you're brushing out wide skis with a narrow brush (70-100mm) it will take an extra pass.

It is annoying that the svst brushes are proprietary and don't work with anyone else's. They are expensive, and don't have a quick release grip, but this can be easily modified.

Holmenkol and Briko both have a quick release grip. If you change brushes often this is a nice feature.

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post #43 of 45

   ^^^^What smoothrides said :)

 

     zenny

post #44 of 45

I'm just a recreational home tuner.  My horsehair roto brush never leaves the spindle during the ski season.  It gets the wax off and makes the bases shine.  If it's damaging my precious structure, I woulnd't know.  My skis are wider in places than my brush.  I've never had an issue with easing the brush in and out while moving it side to side.

post #45 of 45

given the choice go for the higher rpm drill, you can always run it slower if need be

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