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post #691 of 710
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Originally Posted by core2 View Post

All these changes at Snowbowl make me wonder if Sunrise has anything in the works for Cyclone or Apache?  Those lifts are so old and crappy they make it hard to stay on those mountains.  A high speed lift on Cyclone would be a game changer for Sunrise, I know I would be out there way more often.  They seem reluctant to spend money but they may have to soon to stay competitive or even stay open.

I don't mind old slow lifts if it means less crowds on the slopes. Even on powder days, the runs off the Cyclone Ridge seem to be preserved well into the day. I know it's a little selfish, as resorts need skier visits to stay open, but I like how the backside of Sunrise often seems to be a members only club. In contrast the frontside can get pretty crowded with long lift lines.
post #692 of 710
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Originally Posted by MrGolfAnalogy View Post


I don't mind old slow lifts if it means less crowds on the slopes. Even on powder days, the runs off the Cyclone Ridge seem to be preserved well into the day. I know it's a little selfish, as resorts need skier visits to stay open, but I like how the backside of Sunrise often seems to be a members only club. In contrast the frontside can get pretty crowded with long lift lines.

 

I hear you.  You can find powder off Cyclone and Apache for days but 3 laps an hour is tough for me to stomach.  Maybe I won't be saying that if Snowbowl gets packed up this winter and Sunrise becomes our respite from the crowds. 

post #693 of 710

Do those cliffs under the Cyclone chair have landings? I mean....do they go? I know it's closed but if they go it might be worth a trip for me, I wouldn't care if my pass was pulled. 

post #694 of 710
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Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
 

Do those cliffs under the Cyclone chair have landings? I mean....do they go? I know it's closed but if they go it might be worth a trip for me, I wouldn't care if my pass was pulled. 

 

Yeah are are some good cliff drops and illegal tree lines off Cyclone for the few weeks a year conditions allow them to be skied.  That cliff line and another little hill after a roller are all you get off Cyclone though.  The runs off the cliffs are the only place up there they have to do avalanche mitigation.  You get 3 runs an hour on that lift.  Apache lift line is the best to lap on the backside of Sunrise, it holds untapped powder for days if you are willing to truck it up a 30 ft uphill section to get it.  I've skied untouched powder on that run then gone back the next weekend and could still see my turns.  I've skied out there on weekdays in February and been one of 20 cars in the lot. 

 

A guy told me there is an indian road you can take that gets you out past the ski area where there is some illegal bc access as well. 

post #695 of 710

I actually prefer the terrain off Cyclone and Apache to that at Snowbowl. The stuff off Cyclone is quite steep (but very short) and you can find powder for days. And less steep but certainly not crowded are the runs off Apache. One day I made 4 of the 5 tracks on Cartwheel Hill. But that Cyclone lift is just soooo loooong... So on a powder day this never-ending cycle happens:

 

  1. Riding up Cyclone Lift. "Looks great, but this is absolutely the last time I'm riding this lift today
  2. Hit some untracked powder. "That was awesome! Okay, one more time"
  3. See step 1
post #696 of 710

If the tribe were to spend the money for a high-speed chair, would Cyclone or Apache really deliver the best bang for the buck? It seems like expanding would be a better use of the resources, to me, as a bigger-feeling resort seems more likely to lure visitors. The area between the current ski area and the National Forest boundary is marked on the WMAT's recreation map as part of the ski area, and it looks like well-wooded terrain with a blue-to-black pitch and good northeastern exposure. A new high-speed quad down Sunrise Peak's northeast slope would open up a good amount of new terrain right under it, and also make possible new fall-line skiing on Apache's northeast slope. And as long as the slow lifts stay on Apache, it should all hold its powder even better, since those skiers willing to put up with the slow lift will have even more options. I think more terrain and choices will do better at luring visitors than just upgrades within the current footprint.

post #697 of 710
The trouble with Sunrise is they just don't get much snow any more. They list their average snowfall at 250". They may have got that back in the 70's and 80's but their average snowfall in the past decade or so is 100" at most.
Snowbowl is much better with about 150". Last season they easily topped 200". They list their average at 240" which is also laughable.
post #698 of 710

The impression I'm under is that whomever calls the shots for managing the Sunrise ski area isn't all that interested in spending money, it seems like they make enough to get by and they have created a few jobs for some locals. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of deal between the US government (tax break incentive or grant money) and the Tribe that makes it easy to just keep things as they are and to not be overly successful but that's just an idea off the top of my head. 


Edited by raisingarizona - 7/23/16 at 9:55pm
post #699 of 710

Looks like Telluride will have commercial flights into TEX again this coming winter: http://www.tellurideskiresort.com/happythoughts/commercial-service-direct-to-telluride-tex1/

 

Seems like great news for the resort, and should make it more attractive for skiers... the location 10 minutes from the slopes is ideal. One of the complaints I'd heard about the prior service was diverting to Cortez, and then basically being stranded there... if Great Lakes follows through and diverts only to Montrose, then even a diversion wouldn't be too bad.

 

It seems like they ought to be able to make this work from PHX, too, like America West used to. But maybe American and its regional partners just don't have any aircraft small enough?

post #700 of 710
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The impression I'm under is that whomever calls the shots for managing the Sunrise ski area isn't all that interested in spending money, it seems like they make enough to get by and they have created a few jobs for some locals. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of deal between the US government (tax break incentive or grant money) and the Tribe that makes it easy to just keep things as they are and to not be overly successful but that's just an idea off the top of my head. 

 

I don't know how taxes work for the tribe but it's also possible they use it as a tax shield for their other business endeavors. The depreciation on the resort gets written off as long as profits from operating aren't too high.

post #701 of 710
I was up at Snowbowl over the weekend to check out the progress of the new lift. That's a HUGE hole they've dug at the base of the Sunrise lift! I presume it will be to anchor the new six pack. It is a shame how they have cut across Blackjack, that was one of the few places I could work on my bump technique out of sight of the lift critiques😀
post #702 of 710
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I don't know how taxes work for the tribe but it's also possible they use it as a tax shield for their other business endeavors. The depreciation on the resort gets written off as long as profits from operating aren't too high.

that would presume that they are making new investments? I must have missed the high speed lift....
post #703 of 710
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that would presume that they are making new investments? I must have missed the high speed lift....

 

Maybe but not necessarily the interest on any long term debt is deductible so as long as the returns else where are greater then the interest rate on loan can they essentially make minimum payments and allow the debt to accrue interest. Anything that provides tax deduction can be used as a tax shield as long the net gain is higher then what is paid.   

post #704 of 710

August is one of the best months of the year here in Flagstaff. The Monsoons are under way, the nights are cooling down and the mushrooms are popping up everywhere. 

AppleMark

 

It's the summers grand finale and the meadows and mountains light up in color with wildflowers. 

 

Lupine in the Dry Lake Hills. 

 

Construction at Snowbowl has continued and things are starting to really make sense. This is the new ski run form the Agassiz Lodge down to the bottom of Sunset. The flat traverse over to the North Star trail has been removed and this is being graded down to create more flow and connectivity from the bowl side to the new lift base. 

AppleMark

 

That's the Agassiz run on the left. 

 

I imagine that this large pile of earth is going to be dragged down to create a nice even pitch through here. This is really exciting to see and it's obvious now that the new lift isn't just serving the ridge side and will bring everything from midway down into play for hot laps. :) 

 

Well that's it for now, happy trails! 

post #705 of 710
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It has been gorgeous up in the high country now that everything is greening up.  I've been hitting up some out of the way spots for hiking.  This is the Pine Mountain Wilderness area near Dugas, AZ which is on the South side of the Verde Rim.  This is a few square mile spot of Ponderosas above a valley with about 10 springs in it.

 

 

One of the bigger springs.

 

post #706 of 710

Thanks for posting the great images guys. We were up in Flagg for the weekend but were stuck indoors working on new floors for our condo.

 

Now that we are on the downside of summer, is it time to start up a 2017 Four Corners thread?

post #707 of 710
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Thanks for posting the great images guys. We were up in Flagg for the weekend but were stuck indoors working on new floors for our condo.

 

Now that we are on the downside of summer, is it time to start up a 2017 Four Corners thread?

Go for it!  I'm ready to lock this one with a link to the new one any time.  Will be paying even more attention in the coming months because I'm considering a couple days in Telluride now that it's on the MCP.

post #708 of 710
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Go for it!  I'm ready to lock this one with a link to the new one any time.  Will be paying even more attention in the coming months because I'm considering a couple days in Telluride now that it's on the MCP.

 

Done

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/147246/2016-2017-four-corners-s-co-az-nm-weather-discussion

post #709 of 710

@MrGolfAnalogy

 

Funny, I spent the weekend working on new floors as well down in the valley.  While I started this project in October of last year, curiously progress was halted between Mid December and May 1st.....

post #710 of 710

Thread locked, as the 2016-17 thread has begun!

 

You can find it here :

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/147246/2016-2017-four-corners-s-co-az-nm-weather-discussion

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