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Brahma vs Bushwacker in the East

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
I think I am down to these two for my only ski this winter. I am not that big a guy (5'8" and 160lbs). Will the Brahma, with all the metal be too stiff? I ski all over the East, Catskills and and New England so I get what comes with that. . . . .hard pack, ice and soft snow when I'm lucky. . I've been skiing all my life and am fairly advanced but now I only get about 10-12 days a year. I really ski the whole mountain; easy groomers and bumps and trees (depending on who I'm with). Please help with these two . . . I assume better edge on ice with Brahma and softer, more fun with the Bushwacker. Will my 160lb frame be light for the Bushwacker?
post #2 of 14
Thread Starter 
Sorry- I meant too light for the Brahma....my bad.
post #3 of 14

My personal theory is it depends on the length you choose.

 

If you get a 187cm one then yes, that's meant for tall people who also proportionally are athletically built-say a 187cm tall 220lb person.  

It's not for a 187cm tall person who is 150lbs like all the beanpole reviewers.

 

But if you get a shorter ski, the optimal weight is also going to scale and be proportional.

 

The other way to think about it, is flip it around.  Who are they going to sell the 173 version to if not shorter people? -who proportionally are going to weigh less?  

There are not going to be many 200lb 5'8" advanced skiers around let alone 200lb 5'4" skiers that they can sell the 166 to.  So the optimal weight must also scale with the length. 

 

But, you should still demo to find out though which works better for you and how you ski.   

post #4 of 14
gtfisch, you do know that it's the same crew of summer regulars reading all four our five of these threads you've started in the past couple weeks, all asking essentially the same question, right?
post #5 of 14

^^^^ :rotflmao:Anyway, again: Bushwacker, no contest. Far better fit for your size and typical speed. Now I think you should start another thread, and the 5 of us can reply on that one, too. 

post #6 of 14

You got it down to 2;

Demo and buy from a local shop to your mountain,  you can take out one or both over 1 or 2 days, and apply the demo rental credit towards your purchase.

At worse if the price is too high for your taste over buying on the internet or something, you'll still only be out only 1days demo fee.

post #7 of 14

I'd go for the metal for eastern skiing myself if that's to be your only ski. And buy locally unless you can't find them--or pretty soon there won't be any shops when you need them. Plus if you do need to warranty ski gear you have to go through a dealer. OTOH it sounds like maybe beyond knows you--he mentions the speed at which you ski? If so, take his advice. 

 

In the long run you have to decide which is more important for you--edge hold on ice or ease of turning in the soft stuff and bumps. If you're a good powder skier go for the edge hold. If you're more confident on the hardpack go for the softer ski, which will be better in the bumps as well. It also makes a difference how fit you are--160# crossfit fanatic vs 160# with a beer gut.

 

Whichever ski you buy there will be days you wish you bought something else--that's true of every ski ever made, so don't agonize.

post #8 of 14

I agree with the second half of what Old Goat says.  If you want a softer, turnier ski go for the bushwacker if you like 'em stiffer and more stable go for the brahmas.  It all boils down to personal preference.

post #9 of 14

I don't know how helpful this will be for you, since I am slightly taller (half an inch) and 10lbs heavier than you, plus I'm a woman, but I demoed the Bushwackers and ended up buying the Brahmas (in 173cm length) and haven't regretted the purchase one bit. This season has brought us what I'd imagine are similar conditions to what you'd encounter in the East and skiing the Brahmas has allowed me to actually enjoy it again, after several seasons spent on much wider-waisted skis. They let you know if you're in the back seat and there is definitely a willingness to go fast, but they have also been much friendlier to ski (easy to turn, responsive, smooth etc) than I expected. I haven't skied them in real powder, but in everything else (including moguls) they've been fun, with the added benefits of excellent edge grip on ice and stability in rough snow. I'm opting to ski them a lot more often than I expected to. 

 

Having said that, I know excellent skiers (not big guys/women though) who have the Bushwackers (and Black Pearls) and love them in the same conditions, so take what you will from that. I'm just suggesting that maybe the extra metal in the Brahmas shouldn't necessarily scare you off.

post #10 of 14

Asked and answered in the other thread. 

post #11 of 14
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OTOH it sounds like maybe beyond knows you--he mentions the speed at which you ski? If so, take his advice. 

 

 Naw, just read his opening post on the other thread (my bold):

 

"Looking for an east coast all mountain ski and need some help . . .. 

Here are the particulars.

- I'm 5'8 and 160lbs.

- been skiing a LONG time and right now I get on the mountain about 10-12 days a year. 

- I ski all over the mountain (bumps, tress, groomers) everything except the park.

- i get down at an ok clip but I'm definitely not the fastest guy out there (nor do i want to be).

- the widest ski i have had was 90mm underfoot and i loved it- wouldn't be against going a little bit wider though.

- love a real playful ski (pocket rockets were my favorite)..."

 

post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

OTOH it sounds like maybe beyond knows you--he mentions the speed at which you ski? If so, take his advice. 

 

 Naw, just read his opening post on the other thread (my bold):

 

"Looking for an east coast all mountain ski and need some help . . .. 

Here are the particulars.

- I'm 5'8 and 160lbs.

- been skiing a LONG time and right now I get on the mountain about 10-12 days a year. 

- I ski all over the mountain (bumps, tress, groomers) everything except the park.

- i get down at an ok clip but I'm definitely not the fastest guy out there (nor do i want to be).

- the widest ski i have had was 90mm underfoot and i loved it- wouldn't be against going a little bit wider though.

- love a real playful ski (pocket rockets were my favorite)..."

 

I am also not the fastest guy out there and I find the Bonafides--another metal ski- turn just fine. I'm also 160#--well, to be honest an aspirational 160#, my climbing weight. About 20# up these days, sigh. 

post #13 of 14
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 I'm also 160#--well, to be honest an aspirational 160#, my climbing weight. About 20# up these days, sigh. 

Yeah, those aspirational weights get me too. Amazing how easier it is to drift upward than drift downward...:(

post #14 of 14
The Brahma were designed for places like cannon where you go fast on steep icy terrain one day and 3-6 the next. I've owned the bushwhackers and while they are a great ski but they do have a speed limit. The Brahma doesn't and it's made to be pushed fast. I've demoed and spent a lot of time on the Brahma they would be the best if you are doing more aggressive skiing. If you enjoy doing a few bump runs every time out or play in the trees and aren't doing a lot of steep stuff my god the bushwhackers are a blast.
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