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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

I'm looking at picking up a few pairs of boots in the last sales of the summer and then returning the ones that don't fit well. Below are some details on my feet and a list of boots i'm looking at. Any suggestions or thoughts would be great, thanks. Whatever I buy, once I get to CO for the ski season, i'll be going straight to a bootfitter for custom footbeds and whatever other fitting work is needed. Unfortunately, until ski season, i'll be somewhere that has no bootfitter within driving distance (500+ miles).  I recognize that I may need to hang on to a couple of pairs (beyond just my initial shell fit when i get them) before I see the bootfitter. If you don't think any of the listed boots are likely to be a good fit, let me know.

 

Foot details:

- 28.5 in some shells, 29.5 in most shells

- ~110mm wide foot (which seems to be moderately wide but not crazy wide for my size)

- very flat feet

- moderate to large calves/ankles

- moderate to severe over-pronation

- moderately flexible ankles

- no problems with getting cold feet

- I have had minor "achilles tendonitis" problems (from soccer) in the past, not sure if that's relevant

 

Skiing details:

- Plan to ski ~90 days this year

- Want enough comfort to ski all day when I ski but don't want to sacrifice too much performance to get it

- Probably a mid-high level 8 on the 9 level scale

- Mostly looking to ski steeps, powder and trees

- Will primarily be skiing a Line Opus which is mounted fairly far forward (-20mm from "center")

 

Boot options:

- Lange RX130

- Lange RX120

- Rossi Experience SI 130

- Full Tilt First Chair

- Full Tilt Seth Morrison

- Atomic Hawx 120

- Technica Cochise 130 Pro

 

Thanks guys!

post #2 of 19
Thread Starter 

Another relevant detail I forgot: i'm 6-2, 200lbs and in pretty good shape (play competitive soccer 4x a week) with a ~260lb squat

post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by rpg5414 View Post
 

I'm looking at picking up a few pairs of boots in the last sales of the summer and then returning the ones that don't fit well. Below are some details on my feet and a list of boots i'm looking at. Any suggestions or thoughts would be great, thanks. Whatever I buy, once I get to CO for the ski season, i'll be going straight to a bootfitter for custom footbeds and whatever other fitting work is needed. Unfortunately, until ski season, i'll be somewhere that has no bootfitter within driving distance (500+ miles).  I recognize that I may need to hang on to a couple of pairs (beyond just my initial shell fit when i get them) before I see the bootfitter. If you don't think any of the listed boots are likely to be a good fit, let me know.

 

Foot details:

- 28.5 in some shells, 29.5 in most shells

- ~110mm wide foot (which seems to be moderately wide but not crazy wide for my size)

- very flat feet

- moderate to large calves/ankles

- moderate to severe over-pronation

- moderately flexible ankles

- no problems with getting cold feet

- I have had minor "achilles tendonitis" problems (from soccer) in the past, not sure if that's relevant

 

 

Forgive me for asking but, what size are your feet? measured in centimeters.

 

What size are your calf muscles at the top of the liner? what circumference

 

Do you have custom footbeds???

 

How much do you weigh? How tall?

 

have you read the following article? ---   http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

mike

post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 

No problem, Mike, thanks for the quick reply . I have read the thread and know how to do a rough shell fit (nothing like what a bootfitter could do though, i'm sure). I don't recall my foot measurements off the top of my head but I have a pair of Lange RX120s in 29.5 and have about 1 1/2 fingers of space between my heel and the shell. The boot also puts some pressure on my talus and, with the liner in and buckled, is very tight on the calf.

 

I'll see what I can do about getting those precise measurements this evening, though I may not get to it until next week (on the road for work at the moment).

 

I don't currently have custom footbeds but I will definitely be getting them when I get to CO.

 

I'm 6'2", 200lbs, relatively in-shape (soccer 4x/week) and somewhat strong (~260lb squat for reps).

 

I recognize that this may end up just being something I have to bite the bullet on, wait until ski season when I can see a bootfitter, and pay full MSRP. My hope, with this thread, was that there was a chance I might be able to save some money.

post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by rpg5414 View Post
 

No problem, Mike, thanks for the quick reply . I have read the thread and know how to do a rough shell fit (nothing like what a bootfitter could do though, i'm sure). I don't recall my foot measurements off the top of my head but I have a pair of Lange RX120s in 29.5 and have about 1 1/2 fingers of space between my heel and the shell. The boot also puts some pressure on my talus and, with the liner in and buckled, is very tight on the calf.

 

I'll see what I can do about getting those precise measurements this evening, though I may not get to it until next week (on the road for work at the moment).

 

I don't currently have custom footbeds but I will definitely be getting them when I get to CO.

 

I'm 6'2", 200lbs, relatively in-shape (soccer 4x/week) and somewhat strong (~260lb squat for reps).

 

I recognize that this may end up just being something I have to bite the bullet on, wait until ski season when I can see a bootfitter, and pay full MSRP. My hope, with this thread, was that there was a chance I might be able to save some money.

Most reputable boot fitters will set the boot up and guarantee the fit, if you buy from them----so saving a few bucks up front may not save you anything after all is said and done, since you will have to pay for everything done to the boot if you buy it somewhere else.  Most will give you a break on the custom foot beds if you buy boots from them, I do.  

 

By the way---having large calves will push your knees forward more than needed and create fore/aft balance problems for anyone, this will also cause your feet to be pushed forward and cram them into the toe box---ouch---sure you can be in great shape and put up with that, but whoooo wants or needs to do that?

 

good luck

 

mike

post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 

Mike - fair enough, point taken. I've budgeted $1000 to get exactly the right boots fitting perfectly, so i'd expect that even at MSRP and with custom footbed costs, I should be alright?

 

Unfortunately, not much choice on the calves, they are big even without the weight training. I'm pretty competitive when it comes to soccer, too, so not sure I can bring myself to back off that, though I will keep that in mind and try my best to trim down the calves toward the end of the soccer season/before ski season.

post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by rpg5414 View Post
 

Mike - fair enough, point taken. I've budgeted $1000 to get exactly the right boots fitting perfectly, so i'd expect that even at MSRP and with custom footbed costs, I should be alright?

 

Unfortunately, not much choice on the calves, they are big even without the weight training. I'm pretty competitive when it comes to soccer, too, so not sure I can bring myself to back off that, though I will keep that in mind and try my best to trim down the calves toward the end of the soccer season/before ski season.

Sorry---I think you drew the wrong conclusion---you will need to have the boot modified to allow you to extend without pressuring the calf/cuff of the boot----this usually involves changing the forward lean on the boots you purchase to set your fore/aft balance position correctly.  Hopefully the store you select will know how to do this, but there very few fitter shops with the knowledge to do this.  Where are you skiing next season? perhaps we can send you in the right direction.

 

http://southernski.com/balance-in-skiing-is-critical.html     another article to read----

 

mike

post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 

Ah! Definitely drew the wrong conclusion. I'll be living in Silverthorne, CO for the winter, but my current plan is to swing by Boulder on my way up to Summit county and go to Larry's Bootfitting. Is that something he'll be able to do?

post #9 of 19

Check out Skibootfitters.com at Vail---see Greg Hoffman if you can---

 

just in case you didn't see this in the prior post: http://southernski.com/balance-in-skiing-is-critical.html

 

mike


Edited by miketsc - 8/21/14 at 1:45pm
post #10 of 19

Hi RPG,

With the width of your foot width, I would steer you to the Atomic Hawx 120 primary (At your weight and athleticism you should consider the 130) and Lange RX 130 second.  It is likely that you will fit the 29.5 in these as they have large toe boxes.  I do have the Hawx 130 available on sale if you are interested.

Bob Gleason- BootDoctors Telluride.

post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 

So precise measurements:

 

~297mm foot length

~109mm foot width

15.2" calf at top of boot liner

post #12 of 19

Considering your weight and skill level---Go with the higher flex number boot---- and as you said, you might fit into some 28.5 shells

 

As to a 1.5 finger shell check----that would depend on how thick your fingers are, as to how you would compare to a maximum 15mm shell check.

 

Good Luck and Happy skiing

 

mike

post #13 of 19

personally i would wait until you get to CO, whilst we can guess at the width of boot which will fit your foot and the length, what we cannot tell from this information is how wide your heel is by comparison and the shape of your toes, both do have some bearing on what selection of boot is made and whilst the toe box can be pretty easily modified , making the heel pocket narrower is not as simple or as effective as getting the one which fits that area best, again as Mike has said a boot with a fairly upright stance and having the rear of the cuff modified to suit your calf size/shape will give you the best fore aft position too

post #14 of 19
Thread Starter 

Maybe this will help:

 

Right foot:

heel width at Front of ankle - 90mm
heel width at back of fibula - 72mm
 
Left foot:
heel width at Front of ankle - 86mm
heel width at back of fibula - 70mm
 
toe and heel photos in this album: http://imgur.com/a/IbPbr#0
 
post #15 of 19

From your photos I personally don't see anything that amazing.  Certainly the calf of your left foot especially is low and broad and will probably require some grinding to make extra volume but nothing looks that difficult to me.  I don't know about going from a 297mm foot to a 28 shell, but it doesn't (or might) hurt to try.  But the pain will go away.

 

Getting yourself with your legs and feet attached in front of someone will probably go a long way towards getting things resolved.

 

 

Lou

post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 

So i've been trying on a variety of boots and the Lange RX 130 in 28.5 seems like a great fit, but:

 

1) My right foot is slightly longer than my left and the shell fit gives me ~7mm of space behind my right heel, is that enough?

 

2) The liner is significantly too small; it's small enough that when I just wear the liner (out of the shell), my toes are curled up in the front. I assume this is something a proper bootfitter will be able to fix?

post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by rpg5414 View Post
 

So i've been trying on a variety of boots and the Lange RX 130 in 28.5 seems like a great fit, but:

 

1) My right foot is slightly longer than my left and the shell fit gives me ~7mm of space behind my right heel, is that enough?

 

2) The liner is significantly too small; it's small enough that when I just wear the liner (out of the shell), my toes are curled up in the front. I assume this is something a proper bootfitter will be able to fix?

yes

 

 

 

yes

 

 

I would start with just skiing the boot, and see how it feels after a day or so

 

upper buckles tight,  lower buckles VERY loose, thin sock, and if you can wear for 60 min or more, skiing (NOT around the house) you are fine

post #18 of 19

Never wear just the liner.  It tells you nothing except that it feels to small.  The liner will always stretch to the shell or can be stretched to the shell.  The shell is key.  Personally with your foot length I'd be looking at 29s.  7mm is very tight.  It can be made to work, but it must be made to work.  The likelihood of you just skiing it into being comfortable is small.  I'd look at 29s.  Definitely I wouldn't just buy them on the off chance they'll be fine.

 

7mm is not very damn much.  We start with 1/2 to 3/4 inch which is between 12mm and around 18mm.

 

Lou

post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 

I also have a pair of Lange RX 130 LV's here in 29.5, some thoughts on those: seem to fit great, ~15mm of heel space on the shell fit. I suppose that, assuming ~3mm jump in width per mondo-size increase, these are roughly the same absolute width as the non-LV RX 130 in 28.5? When I tried these on with the liner, they were very snug but wearable (whereas the 28.5 Lange RX 130 feels like I couldn't even ski an hour with the bottom buckles completely unbuckled, they are that tight, when trying them with the liner). The toe box on these would definitely need a little work as they're very tight in the 5th toe area.  

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