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post #1 of 19
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[Looking for some opinions. My front of Mtn ski is, head rally 77 under foot. All Mtn. Is Bonified 180. My powder ski Rossi S7 188. My rally is 177. My question is, I am thinking of getting rid of my Rossi S7 188 , and replace them with a Soul 7 180 lenght. I ski Vail about 70 days . I'm thinking my 188's are almost to much in lenghtvfor Vail. I have had a lot of fun on them, but I demoed the soul, and really liked it, especially in the bumps.
post #2 of 19

What do you weight?   Do you like your 188 S7 in powder?  

 

Based on your other skis, I'd think a 180 Soul 7 wouldn't be enough float for a powder ski.  

 

I don't think the perfect ski exists for both powder then bumps after it's tracked up.  Everything I've tried is a compromise on one or the other.  I'm on a 181 Rossi Sickle and like it better all-around than the S7.  It's pretty good in the bumps for 110 wide, but it's still too wide for a fast zipperline, so I'll often switch at the end of the day... which is really difficult at Vail.   I feel your pain!

post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by JimmyA View Post

[Looking for some opinions. My front of Mtn ski is, head rally 77 under foot. All Mtn. Is Bonified 180. My powder ski Rossi S7 188. My rally is 177. My question is, I am thinking of getting rid of my Rossi S7 188 , and replace them with a Soul 7 180 lenght. I ski Vail about 70 days . I'm thinking my 188's are almost to much in lenghtvfor Vail. I have had a lot of fun on them, but I demoed the soul, and really liked it, especially in the bumps.

you have a bonafide at 98mm why would you give up a 115mm ski for a 106mm?

You need to first decide if you want a bump ski or a powder ski... honestly unless there is something you really don't like in the s7 you have a decent quiver, if you can handle a 180 bonafide you should have no issues with a 188 s7!

keep them, forget about the soul 7...
post #4 of 19

I agree with the other comments about bumps vs. powder.  IMO, it's crazy to replace your powder ski because you liked something else better in the bumps.  If anything, you should consider replacing your bonafides if you don't like how they behave in bumps.

 

Your powder ski is not your bump ski.  I understand that a resort powder ski needs to be somewhat versatile, and it should be "good enough" in soft, powdery end-of-powder-day bumps, but it is never going to be a *good* bump ski.  If it is, it's a terrible powder ski.

post #5 of 19
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Thank you. That makes sence. Some have mentioned to me that my S7's are to long they should be 180 . I think that is what is working on my mind.They weren't long or felt long when I got them 3 or 4 yrs ago. The shop told me a 188 S7 is hard to get rid of also. But they sell Rossignol exclusively. I am 5'10, 180 .
post #6 of 19
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Thank you. You have an excellent point also. Thank you for the quick reply. 5'10----180#
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by JimmyA View Post

Thank you. That makes sence. Some have mentioned to me that my S7's are to long they should be 180 . I think that is what is working on my mind.They weren't long or felt long when I got them 3 or 4 yrs ago. The shop told me a 188 S7 is hard to get rid of also. But they sell Rossignol exclusively. I am 5'10, 180 .

 

This is the only thing that matters.  If you felt comfortable on them, and enjoyed them, that's all that matters.  Doesn't make sense to get rid of a ski that's working well for you.

post #8 of 19

I'm the same size as you and the 188 S7 is the right size.   It skis really short because of the enormous rocker.    A 180 would be too short!

 

The basic problem is a bump ski wants to be short and skinny, and a powder ski wants to be long and fat!


Edited by tball - 8/18/14 at 4:10pm
post #9 of 19
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You are right. Thank You.
post #10 of 19

A 188 S7 with 'elf shoe' rocker is like a 180 (or less) in almost anything else plus you already know you like them. Also you aren't heavy but you aren't a lightweight  either and you could use the foatation of the longer length. Really no contest - IMHO the 188 is exactly right for you. BTW the shop is crazy to say a 188 is 'hard to get rid of'. In Colorado? Really? Maybe they just wanted to sell you the Soul 7.

post #11 of 19

Generally speaking... the Bonafide and an S7 make for a bit of a weird combo.  Not in their sizes or intended purpose since they're perfectly spaced within a quiver, but just that most people who like / own the Bones tend not to be big fans of the Rossi S line skis (except maybe the Squad 7 because it's stiffer)... myself included.  So maybe you'd be better off replacing the bones with something softer and more bump friendly, since your S7 is your powder ski and not your bump ski.

 

I also don't think it would be all that much of a stretch to own both an S7 and the Soul 7 - they would have their different uses on different days for sure.

post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by JimmyA View Post

Thank you. That makes sence. Some have mentioned to me that my S7's are to long they should be 180 . I think that is what is working on my mind.They weren't long or felt long when I got them 3 or 4 yrs ago. The shop told me a 188 S7 is hard to get rid of also. But they sell Rossignol exclusively. I am 5'10, 180 .

 

 

Almost all people who say skis like these are too long fail to understand rocker.  Tiny, but good, girls ski big rockered skis into the 180s. Don't get the logic for cutting down length in Vail unless you're predominantly into super tight tree stashes.  I also agree that trading out a proper powder ski for an all rounder is a step backwards if you've already got a preferred allrounder UNLESS you're saying you use the S7 as a general non hardpack ski and would like a littler more help on tipping it.

 

As to a shop that sells only Rossis and even then doesn't stand behind the size range or give non BS answers - what is it Gapers R Us?

post #13 of 19
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Thank you. You have an excellent point.
post #14 of 19

Do you like the Bonafides?  What kind of days do you use them for? 

 

There is nothing wrong with liking the Soul 7 (but you are crazy not to ski it 188, because at your size, at a good sized mountain, assuming that you are a solid skier, 180 is too short).  But that ski probably overlaps the actual ski days that you'd use the Bonafides (particularly because you have a Titan for firm conditions).  But given that you like the S7 and really liked the Soul 7, and the fact that you are essentially asking for a soft snow biased all-mountain ski that migrates well from new snow to bumps, I agree with @JayT's thinking that the Bonafides might be the issue.  Maybe you swap out the bones for the Soul 7.  Then you have a carver, a soft snow biased all mountain ski and a powder ski.

 

Or, another suggestion, if the Bonafides aren't all that you hoped for, something more in line with what you seemed to enjoy but in the high 90s could be the Nordica Soul Rider.  That would be a nice center of a 3 ski quiver between the Titans and S7, a great Vail ski if you favor snappy and playful.  Although it isn't a powder ski per se, it would be fun in typical CO new snow conditions (3-6 inches of light snow), it is damp enough for the front side and very good in the bumps for a ski that is 97mm under foot. 

 

As a general rule, I like to think in terms of "ski days" rather than "ski conditions" when picking a ski.  What kind of day is it for, what is the assumed venue (basically, what are the range of conditions you'll like see on that type of day?) - and for that day it should function as a capable "one ski quiver."  Because unless you have a ski caddy riding next to you, or you are at a smallish mountain, or you have a locker at the base and accommodating ski pals, most folks need to pick something in the morning and make it work across the range of conditions for that day.  In fact, I'd argue that is part of being a well-rounded skier.

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by LewyM View Post

Do you like the Bonafides?  What kind of days do you use them for? 

There is nothing wrong with liking the Soul 7 (but you are crazy not to ski it 188, because at your size, at a good sized mountain, assuming that you are a solid skier, 180 is too short).  But that ski probably overlaps the actual ski days that you'd use the Bonafides (particularly because you have a Titan for firm conditions).  But given that you like the S7 and really liked the Soul 7, and the fact that you are essentially asking for a soft snow biased all-mountain ski that migrates well from new snow to bumps, I agree with @JayT
's thinking that the Bonafides might be the issue.  Maybe you swap out the bones for the Soul 7.  Then you have a carver, a soft snow biased all mountain ski and a powder ski.

Or, another suggestion, if the Bonafides aren't all that you hoped for, something more in line with what you seemed to enjoy but in the high 90s could be the Nordica Soul Rider.  That would be a nice center of a 3 ski quiver between the Titans and S7, a great Vail ski if you favor snappy and playful.  Although it isn't a powder ski per se, it would be fun in typical CO new snow conditions (3-6 inches of light snow), it is damp enough for the front side and very good in the bumps for a ski that is 97mm under foot. 

As a general rule, I like to think in terms of "ski days" rather than "ski conditions" when picking a ski.  What kind of day is it for, what is the assumed venue (basically, what are the range of conditions you'll like see on that type of day?) - and for that day it should function as a capable "one ski quiver."  Because unless you have a ski caddy riding next to you, or you are at a smallish mountain, or you have a locker at the base and accommodating ski pals, most folks need to pick something in the morning and make it work across the range of conditions for that day.  In fact, I'd argue that is part of being a well-rounded skier.
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post #16 of 19

Question @JimmyA

 

What are you looking for? So I get the Bumps and powder thing but what is it in the performance you are looking for;  EG, quicker, easier, more versatile???

 

I weigh 167-170 and for steamboat trees and light snow, the Soul 7 in 180 is a blast. I really don't need anything longer or wider. IF I was skiing more open stuff at faster speeds with heavier snow, I would not vote for the Soul7 in the 180 anyway.  However, the Soul 7 is a really fun ski with zero swing weight and just stupid easy to ski in anything SOFT. it finds its red line quickly in firmer snow.  I would totally agree its a very different ski than the Rossi for sure and if you are just looking for something different, why not go for the Soul?  FWIW, for powder ski's;  I have the Souls in 180, Line Sir Francis Bacon in 183 then moving up to a Kastle BMX 118 (183)and Praxis Protest (186).  So why not keep both?  You aren't going to get much for the Rossi's.  BUT, that ski is short, its the right length.  

post #17 of 19
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I do like the bonified. I liked the soul the day I demoed it because there was about 14 " of fresh, and I like hero bumps in that kind of powder. However , after being on the forum, witch I totally enjoy talking to those who know more and pronanly ski much better than me. I think the soul is really a hero ski, and good onlyon certain days. Front of the Mtn. I do love my head super shape for groomers. I have the bonified for just about everything else. And I do agree with just about everyone mentioned to me, that my S7's in 188 are just fine. Maybe I am spoiled, seeing the new colors and no rocker on the tail, that makes me think my S7' S are like dinasours. I replaced my Legend 94's with the Bones. I love the 94's, but the Bones are much quicker. I also know if Im up late at night, I better stay on my game if Im on my Head Rallys. Im probably talking to much and rambling. But tbank all you guys for your input. I already forgot about the Souls. If I only get an hour of sleep I will go rent a pair. Thanks Guys for your input, you saved me.
post #18 of 19
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You are rite, the soul was a blast the day I demoed it. And on that certain day I think it is really hard to beat. However, I think my Bonifieds will bo about the same , butvI will have to work harder and stay on my game more. I really did like the soul, but I think there arent that many days to warrant me purchasing it. I think it overlaps my Bones to much. Thank you for your input. Steamboat is great place, I get thereaboutvonce a season.
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by JimmyA View Post

You are rite, the soul was a blast the day I demoed it. And on that certain day I think it is really hard to beat. However, I think my Bonifieds will bo about the same , butvI will have to work harder and stay on my game more. I really did like the soul, but I think there arent that many days to warrant me purchasing it. I think it overlaps my Bones to much. Thank you for your input. Steamboat is great place, I get thereaboutvonce a season.

 

the souls and the Bones are very, very different skis!  I would grab the Souls for anything more than a a few inches over soft any day.  

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