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post #1 of 21
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Hi guys i recently order a pair of Atomic Panic 165cm skis.

 

http://www.evo.com/skis/atomic-panic.aspx#image=68473/331335/atomic-panic-skis-2014-149.jpg

 

I just got them and my friend is claiming that i should return them for a bigger ski. i am 5"6" and weigh about 175lbs.

 

The skis reach just above my eyes but are not taller than me. Since these are twin tip skis should i look into bigger skis and return these?

 

thanks,

post #2 of 21
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Originally Posted by vwluke View Post
 

Hi guys i recently order a pair of Atomic Panic 165cm skis.

 

http://www.evo.com/skis/atomic-panic.aspx#image=68473/331335/atomic-panic-skis-2014-149.jpg

 

I just got them and my friend is claiming that i should return them for a bigger ski. i am 5"6" and weigh about 175lbs.

 

The skis reach just above my eyes but are not taller than me. Since these are twin tip skis should i look into bigger skis and return these?

 

thanks,

 

 

Welcome to Epic!  I'd wait for a better informed opinion than mine, but I believe the next question would be, what's your experience level?  

 

From what I understand, twin-tips generally ski short, but if you're a beginner / low-intermediate, and you're skiing groomers, you're probably fine for now.  If you're more park-focused, I can't say.  A fully-cambered 165, at your height & weight, would be fine if you're intermediate or above, though you could go longer.  I've skied a Dynastar Contact 4x4 in 165 for a number of years -- I'm your height but 10 pounds lighter.

 

Good luck.

post #3 of 21
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Welcome to Epic!  I'd wait for a better informed opinion than mine, but I believe the next question would be, what's your experience level?  

 

From what I understand, twin-tips generally ski short, but if you're a beginner / low-intermediate, and you're skiing groomers, you're probably fine for now.  If you're more park-focused, I can't say.  A fully-cambered 165, at your height & weight, would be fine if you're intermediate or above, though you could go longer.  I've skied a Dynastar Contact 4x4 in 165 for a number of years -- I'm your height but 10 pounds lighter.

 

Good luck.

 

I would say i am low to mid-intermediate. I am not really focused on park. mostly just ski groomers. Should i just stick with these skis and see how it goes or should i return them for another longer pair?

post #4 of 21
I would return them for the 181's evo has there. More appropriate for your weight, and since you primarily ski the groomers as an advancing intermediate you will appreciate the stability of the length as you progress.
post #5 of 21
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I would say i am low to mid-intermediate. I am not really focused on park. mostly just ski groomers. Should i just stick with these skis and see how it goes or should i return them for another longer pair?

 

 

In my opinion, and for what it's worth, you might be ok.  Shorter is generally better for control at lower speeds, quicker, more precise turns, that kind of thing.  At higher speeds, longer is better because the length offers stability.    The usual advice is to start shorter and move longer as your skills progress.  

 

Are you skiing in the west or east?

post #6 of 21
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I would return them for the 181's evo has there. More appropriate for your weight, and since you primarily ski the groomers as an advancing intermediate you will appreciate the stability of the length as you progress.

 

 

vwluke, this is the problem with asking for advice at Epic -- a million different points of view!

post #7 of 21
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i would say i am low intermidiate

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In my opinion, and for what it's worth, you might be ok.  Shorter is generally better for control at lower speeds, quicker, more precise turns, that kind of thing.  At higher speeds, longer is better because the length offers stability.    The usual advice is to start shorter and move longer as your skills progress.  

 

Are you skiing in the west or east?


mostly east coast skiing but i am flying out to Utah to ski Alta most likely in January.

post #8 of 21
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i would say i am low intermidiate


mostly east coast skiing but i am flying out to Utah to ski Alta most likely in January.

 

Alta is a different story.  If you can afford it, I believe I'd rent demo skis there.

 

Again, I'm no gear expert, but I'd be surprised if you didn't get a reasonable season out of the Atomics.  You can try them out your first days, and if you hate them, you can likely sell them on Ebay as nearly new, skied only X days, and get a fair deal.  (Just avoid rocks until you're sure you like them -- rock damage will lower their resale value.)

 

Whatever you do, I'd avoid going huge long.  I don't know the Panic, but 181 sounds pretty long at your level.  I get the stability point, and in a twin tip, as you get to be a stronger skier, it could make sense (I skied a 180 Sin 7 in Colorado last year -- definitely skied short, and it was fine for a deeper day).

 

Take a few lessons, too -- it's amazing what that will do for your skiing.  At the end of the season, trade up.  

 

Just my advice, based on conservative, limited information.  See what other, better informed posters suggest.

post #9 of 21
I would go a bit longer if possible (around 170), but the 165s will be pretty good given that you're a "low to mid intermediate" and they don't have too much rocker. You'll definitely want something longer when you get better though. If you do go longer, I would advise against going past 175. Someone else suggested 181, that would definitely be on the long side. You could probably handle them but they would be longer than ideal. Shorter skis will be more agile and easier to control, whereas longer skis will be more stable and faster. Normally beginner-intermediate skiers ride shorter skis and advanced-expert skiers ride longer skis.

If you are willing to upgrade to a longer pair in a few years when you become a better skier, I would keep the 165s. If you're still the same height and weight in a few years when you become advanced-expert you'll probably want around 180 when the time comes.
post #10 of 21
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I would return them for the 181's evo has there. More appropriate for your weight, and since you primarily ski the groomers as an advancing intermediate you will appreciate the stability of the length as you progress.



 



 



vwluke, this is the problem with asking for advice at Epic -- a million different points of view!


 



I hope that's not a surprise for him ......... Hey VW, I am surprised the requisite "what about your / importance of your boots?" response hasn't showed up yet ........ this thread is still young though.
post #11 of 21
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I would return them for the 181's evo has there. More appropriate for your weight, and since you primarily ski the groomers as an advancing intermediate you will appreciate the stability of the length as you progress.
 

 

 

 

 

vwluke, this is the problem with asking for advice at Epic -- a million different points of view!

 



I hope that's not a surprise for him ......... Hey VW, I am surprised the requisite "what about your / importance of your boots?" response hasn't showed up yet ........ this thread is still young though.

 

 

One thing at a time!  

post #12 of 21

@vwluke, welcome to Epicski.  You are going to get all kinds of responses.  A little more info may help impose a little consistency in what you hear.

Length of ski does affect how it behaves.

 

1.  What skis have you been skiing on up till now?  How long were they?

2.  How many days a season do you ski and for how many years have you been skiing?

3.  What is your home mountain?

4.  What do you usually ski, greens, blues, blacks, double blacks, bumps, trees?

5.  Have you taken lessons lately?  If so, what did you work on?

6.  What are your aspirations as a skier?

post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

@vwluke, welcome to Epicski.  You are going to get all kinds of responses.  A little more info may help impose a little consistency in what you hear.

Length of ski does affect how it behaves.

 

1.  What skis have you been skiing on up till now?  How long were they?

2.  How many days a season do you ski and for how many years have you been skiing?

3.  What is your home mountain?

4.  What do you usually ski, greens, blues, blacks, double blacks, bumps, trees?

5.  Have you taken lessons lately?  If so, what did you work on?

6.  What are your aspirations as a skier?


1. I only used rentals to ski i would said they ranged from 155-165cm. i never used twin tip skis.

2. I actually fell in love with skiing last year. Me and a friend went about 10 weekends in a row last winter.

3. I've only skied on the east coast. skied elk and camel-back and blue mountain.

4. i skied all the trails on the mountains i listed, from greens to double blacks.

5. i didn't take any lessons.

6. i guess my aspirations are to continue to improve and get better.

post #14 of 21

Welcome to the addiction!

Given all that info, I think the length you purchased is fine.

 

What about boots?  Boots are WAAAAY more important than skis.

Did you buy boots?  

If so, did you buy them online, in a big box store, get them used from someone else, or go to a boot fitter in a small shop and get them custom-fitted?

Get ready for some unexpected information about boots.  

post #15 of 21

I think the length is fine too. 

 

If you're concerned about the weight ratio, you have 4months to hit the treadmill/gym and cut some weight off.  I will assume you aren't 100% lean and have some extra fat that you wouldn't mind shaving off.

(there is forum on fitness here too if you want ski-specific exercises). 

post #16 of 21
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I think the length is fine too. 

 

If you're concerned about the weight ratio, you have 4months to hit the treadmill/gym and cut some weight off.  I will assume you aren't 100% lean and have some extra fat that you wouldn't mind shaving off.

(there is forum on fitness here too if you want ski-specific exercises). 

 

 

Hey!  He could be all muscle.  My insurance company always suggests maybe I'm in denial with this BMI, but my doc, who sees me, laughs.

post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

Welcome to the addiction!

Given all that info, I think the length you purchased is fine.

 

What about boots?  Boots are WAAAAY more important than skis.

Did you buy boots?  

If so, did you buy them online, in a big box store, get them used from someone else, or go to a boot fitter in a small shop and get them custom-fitted?

Get ready for some unexpected information about boots.  

 

He's been warned about this, LF!

post #18 of 21

I don't think anyone asked this question yet.. How many days do you ski in a season?  If the answer is ~10-15 I wouldn't bother switching. If it is more then I would consider moving up to a longer ski because you will most likely grow (not literally) into it, especially since it's a twin.

post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by vwluke View Post


1. I only used rentals to ski i would said they ranged from 155-165cm. i never used twin tip skis.
2. I actually fell in love with skiing last year. Me and a friend went about 10 weekends in a row last winter.
3. I've only skied on the east coast. skied elk and camel-back and blue mountain.
4. i skied all the trails on the mountains i listed, from greens to double blacks.
5. i didn't take any lessons.
6. i guess my aspirations are to continue to improve and get better.

Given that you're already skiing double blacks... I'd go longer if possible, 170-175.
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by vwluke View Post
 
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

@vwluke, welcome to Epicski.  You are going to get all kinds of responses.  A little more info may help impose a little consistency in what you hear.

Length of ski does affect how it behaves.

 

1.  What skis have you been skiing on up till now?  How long were they?

2.  How many days a season do you ski and for how many years have you been skiing?

3.  What is your home mountain?

4.  What do you usually ski, greens, blues, blacks, double blacks, bumps, trees?

5.  Have you taken lessons lately?  If so, what did you work on?

6.  What are your aspirations as a skier?


1. I only used rentals to ski i would said they ranged from 155-165cm. i never used twin tip skis.

2. I actually fell in love with skiing last year. Me and a friend went about 10 weekends in a row last winter.

3. I've only skied on the east coast. skied elk and camel-back and blue mountain.

4. i skied all the trails on the mountains i listed, from greens to double blacks.

5. i didn't take any lessons.

6. i guess my aspirations are to continue to improve and get better.

Given that your experience is limited to ski areas in PA, stick with what you bought for now.  They will be good where you ski the most.

 

Assuming you make it to Alta, consider leaving your skis at home and renting skis that are more appropriate for the snow conditions.  That would be a good chance to try longer lengths and wider skis.  I did that for a couple seasons as I learned more about all-mountain skis as an advanced intermediate returning to skiing after not skiing for 10 years.  I had my own boots and basic skis for skiing in the southeast.

 

I trust you know that trail ratings are only specific to a given ski area.  A double-black at Elk can be equivalent to a blue at Alta, depending on snow conditions.  If it takes you 5 min to get to the base of the lift at Elk, could take 15 min to get from the top of Sugarloaf to the base of the lift . . . and that's not at the bottom of the mountain.  I loved Alta as an intermediate and still do as an advanced skier.  Great place to learn to ski powder.  Even some short blacks off the Sunnyside beginner lift where ski school takes kids to learn to deal with deep fresh powder, meaning 12+ inches.  Very different than anything you are likely to experience in the Poconos.

 

A group lesson or two during early season would be a good idea.  If you time it right, could end up being a private lesson.  Good idea to plan on giving some sort of a tip if you have a good time with the instructor.

post #21 of 21
Elk has a good demo day in early Jan. Might be best to try different lengths there to home in your best option.
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