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post #271 of 4070
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

It would be easy to start bashing Breck for that zoo, but it plays out the same anywhere a rope drops.   Honestly, that looks like a ton of fun to me.  I love mixing it up... and there is a 99% chance I'll beat your ass to the freshies, even on my skinny skis :D

Wait, and you ski at Copper? Copper is, like, the opposite of that. I wish they would be a little more zoo-ish. Maybe I have missed them, but I've been on directed drops dozens of times, and only once when it was a free-for-all. (Reso, on that day the kid died at Vail and the guy at MJ ... I think patrol was too busy worrying about other things right then.)

 

That said, I waited patiently for my directed skiing today, and got a lap on I-dropper and two on CDL (which was quite quite sweet). Didn't hit anything, and it didn't look like anyone else was either. Snow was knee deep and more. In fact, too deep at the top of I-dropper, where it is flat (and the top layer of snow was manmade that had blown over from High Point ... nothing like trying to get up speed in frozen MM on a flat, lol)

post #272 of 4070
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Breck was fun today. Plenty of knee to hip deep snow tobe found. I used my old skinny/rock skis, hit a few rocks down deep but the coverage was amazing considering things were basically brown a week ago. Basically everything between 4 O'clock and Little Johnny was open.

 

I wonder if you would have hit those deep down rocks on fatter skis ;-)  <dons flame retardant suit>

post #273 of 4070
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I wonder if you would have hit those deep down rocks on fatter skis ;-)  <dons flame retardant suit>

Yes, I was thinking that it's my skinnier skis that I want to keep pristine, not my wider skis. Who needs edges on those?? I skied on 98s all day today, and would have been happier on my 83s the great majority of the day, but I knew there was a chance I might get somewhere ungroomed, so the 98s it was. 

post #274 of 4070

Funny how the "overselling wide skis" thread seems to be bleeding over into this thread now that people are actually skiing.

 

Data point. I skied my 105 waist rock/powder skis (2009 Obsethed).

My wife made an opposite decision, using her 69 waist rock skis (2001ish Dynastar Intuitiv 69L).

 

We both had an absolute ball, because we were skiing, instead of arguing on the internet.

post #275 of 4070
Odds are I would have avoided a few of the sharks on my fatter skis but given how quickly knee deep runs mogul up in the early season my skinnier rock skis proved to be ideal. I definitely would have stayed out of the trees on my good skis. My older skis' bases are so tore up I couldn't really tell if I did any additional damage to them today. I'm just Stoked that my second day of the season was a legit powder day.
post #276 of 4070
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Odds are I would have avoided a few of the sharks on my fatter skis but given how quickly knee deep runs mogul up in the early season my skinnier rock skis proved to be ideal. I definitely would have stayed out of the trees on my good skis. My older skis' bases are so tore up I couldn't really tell if I did any additional damage to them today. I'm just Stoked that my second day of the season was a legit powder day.

I respect your decision.

post #277 of 4070
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

It would be easy to start bashing Breck for that zoo, but it plays out the same anywhere a rope drops.  

 

No.

 

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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post
 
Wait, and you ski at Copper? Copper is, like, the opposite of that. I wish they would be a little more zoo-ish. Maybe I have missed them, but I've been on directed drops dozens of times, and only once when it was a free-for-all. (Reso, on that day the kid died at Vail and the guy at MJ ... I think patrol was too busy worrying about other things right then.)

 

 

I've been part of a bunch of rope drops that are similar to the zoo at Breck:

 

Copper: two years at Resolution when it opened for the season.  Not sure why they manage Reso so differently then the rest of the mountain, but seems like they don't do directed skiing there and just wait until there is too much snow.   The trail was littered with folks literally stuck and trying to dig themselves out.   I haven't been there when they open the A-lift runs, but I've heard it's the same deal as Reso?  No directed skiing, just rope drop?

 

Mary Jane:  opened the whole C-lift side of the mountain with one rope drop last year.  It was a similar zoo getting down Sleeper, as you had to break trail to get anywhere else.

 

Aspen Highlands:  dropped the rope to the bowl at about 11am.   Mostly an uphill battle, but there was some competition heading down Hyde Park for freshies sans hike.

 

Alta/Snowbird: lots and lots of crazy rope drops as they do staged openings of terrain after enormous dumps.  Sometimes multiple in one day.

 

This is the Highlands rope drop last year:

 

post #278 of 4070
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

@tam
  Got some dynafit One's yesterday....... 

I am just going up to the quarry.  I need to get up to the pass now that I have a decent setup.  Nice job.  
Have fun on the new setup. Today I was busy fighting the stampedes. It got a little crowded (I'm pretty sure there's someone else's track in there somewhere)...
post #279 of 4070
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

 

 

I've been part of a bunch of rope drops that are similar to the zoo at Breck:

 

Copper: two years at Resolution when it opened for the season.  Not sure why they manage Reso so differently then the rest of the mountain, but seems like they don't do directed skiing there and just wait until there is too much snow.   The trail was littered with folks literally stuck and trying to dig themselves out.   I haven't been there when they open the A-lift runs, but I've heard it's the same deal as Reso?  No directed skiing, just rope drop?

 

Mary Jane:  opened the whole C-lift side of the mountain with one rope drop last year.  It was a similar zoo getting down Sleeper, as you had to break trail to get anywhere else.

 

Aspen Highlands:  dropped the rope to the bowl at about 11am.   Mostly an uphill battle, but there was some competition heading down Hyde Park for freshies sans hike.

 

Alta/Snowbird: lots and lots of crazy rope drops as they do staged openings of terrain after enormous dumps.  Sometimes multiple in one day.

 

This is the Highlands rope drop last year:

 

 

 

Yeah but you said "it plays out the same anywhere" which isn't really the same, that's all I meant. I don't think I've been at any early rope drops at A lift, so I don't know. No one is ever there anyway, you're lucky to have the number of skiers there in a day that you see in the instant of that Breck photo! lol  

 

I've done a ton of directed skiing in Copper Bowl, then Spaulding and off Sierra, all over from Kaboom to Gold Digger. Never seen anything even close to that Breck photo. I'm sure it happens at other places (yesterday I rode with a guy who was at Keystone Saturday, I guess they did the same thing and people kept getting stuck on the water bars), but Copper just seems to be way more conservative about that stuff. aka sloooooow. But fewer people getting hung up in shrubbery I guess. 

 

(And yes of course I've seen zoos post avy control, not the same thing. Highlands isn't either, they've been bootpacking that stuff already.) 

post #280 of 4070
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I don't think I've been at any early rope drops at A lift, so I don't know. No one is ever there anyway, you're lucky to have the number of skiers there in a day that you see in the instant of that Breck photo! lol  

 

For some definition of "lucky" ... 

 

We rent off of peak 9 at Breck and eventually want to buy a place there. But something @skier31 said got me thinking ... if they canceled the lesson club, would we still want to ski at Breck? The answer, for the weekends, is an emphatic "no." So I mentioned the idea of a condo at Copper instead ...  but one nice thing about Breck is that you can be in walking distance to the lifts and also to restaurants, the dog park, etc. Copper doesn't have an actual town. So I dunno. Plus the lesson pass really does provide a lot of value beyond cutting lift lines - my skiing is improving, I get to know the mountain really well, and I always have someone to ski with who's about my level. My guess is that if the lesson pass is still available when we're in a position to buy, we'll stick to the Breck plan. If the lesson pass goes away, it's likely we'd look elsewhere. Funny how something so small can make such a big difference.

post #281 of 4070
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Yeah but you said "it plays out the same anywhere" which isn't really the same, that's all I meant. I don't think I've been at any early rope drops at A lift, so I don't know. No one is ever there anyway, you're lucky to have the number of skiers there in a day that you see in the instant of that Breck photo! lol  

 

I've done a ton of directed skiing in Copper Bowl, then Spaulding and off Sierra, all over from Kaboom to Gold Digger. Never seen anything even close to that Breck photo. I'm sure it happens at other places (yesterday I rode with a guy who was at Keystone Saturday, I guess they did the same thing and people kept getting stuck on the water bars), but Copper just seems to be way more conservative about that stuff. aka sloooooow. But fewer people getting hung up in shrubbery I guess. 

 

(And yes of course I've seen zoos post avy control, not the same thing. Highlands isn't either, they've been bootpacking that stuff already.) 

 

Fair enough.  If you limit it to terrain opening for the year as opposed to avy control, there is a huge difference in the way terrain is opened.  Agreed, Copper is very, very conservative about opening terrain with their directed skiing approach.  All those runs where directed skiing was done this weekend are closed today.   Copper's MO (as I'm sure you know) is to do directed skiing to get some tracks and compaction, then close the run until their is enough snowfall they are comfortable opening it for the season.   It's a bummer, as all those runs are likely to sit closed for a week now.   Patrol at Copper has told me they see it as a guest experience issue.  They don't want people ruining their skis and getting hurt.  They would rather hear the complaints about terrain being slow to open.

 

Unlike Copper, Breck has left all the black runs open today.  They are going to be mine fields, but at least they are open:

 

 

I really wish Copper would do that with a run or two... namely Mine Dump!   Just put a rope across the top with a small gate and signs designating it as the official rock ski sacrifice zone.   I'd go up skiing this week if they did... but, with Copper's conservative terrain opening approach I have to wait.  :( 

post #282 of 4070
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but Copper just seems to be way more conservative about that stuff.

Overly so, IME.  Winter of '05/'06 when we had an absolutely excellent start and Breck had Imperial and Horseshoe Bowl open, I rode up the Sierra Chair at Copper over closed/unskied terrain, despite very good coverage.  That was when I realized just how overly conservative Copper's policy on opening new terrain is.

 

In contrast to that, I can remember skiing Sierra and A Lift on Thanksgiving Day '96 with decent coverage, but plenty of sharks/rocks.  Definitely a drastic change in terrain opening policy sometime over that time frame.


Edited by cmsummit - 11/17/14 at 8:30am
post #283 of 4070

In other Copper sucks news.... they closed down the Flyer and Union Creek quads today!?!?!?  

 

Both lifts were open yesterday.  Now there is ZERO beginner terrain open at Copper and they are down to 59.5 acres open vs.  115 yesterday.   They should have plenty of snow between snowmaking and the natural snow to keep them both open.  I can't imagine any reason they are closed other than they are too cheap to run the lifts.  For guest experience they should at least be running the Flyer so there is some beginner terrain, but it will be closed until Thurs.  Very lame:
 

 

Simultaneously, on the other side of the mountain, the Speed Center course is open top to bottom for the first time of the season:

 

 

 

 

I'm glad for the US Ski team they got it open.  I think the race training, overall, is a great thing for Copper.  

 

Copper being too cheap to run lifts on terrain that should otherwise be open is a whole different issue.  The fact they have no beginner terrain open right now for budget reasons is unconscionable.  That's just a really, really crappy guest experience.  Use a few bucks you make off the race training and spin the freaking Flyer!!!!

post #284 of 4070
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Fair enough.  If you limit it to terrain opening for the year as opposed to avy control, there is a huge difference in the way terrain is opened.  Agreed, Copper is very, very conservative about opening terrain with their directed skiing approach.  All those runs where directed skiing was done this weekend are closed today.   Copper's MO (as I'm sure you know) is to do directed skiing to get some tracks and compaction, then close the run until their is enough snowfall they are comfortable opening it for the season.   It's a bummer, as all those runs are likely to sit closed for a week now.   Patrol at Copper has told me they see it as a guest experience issue.  They don't want people ruining their skis and getting hurt.  They would rather hear the complaints about terrain being slow to open.

 

Unlike Copper, Breck has left all the black runs open today.  They are going to be mine fields, but at least they are open:

 

 

I really wish Copper would do that with a run or two... namely Mine Dump!   Just put a rope across the top with a small gate and signs designating it as the official rock ski sacrifice zone.   I'd go up skiing this week if they did... but, with Copper's conservative terrain opening approach I have to wait.  :( 

 

 

I'm betting you don't have to wait longThumbs Up

post #285 of 4070
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So remember how terrible it was at Wolf last weekend with a 6" base?

 

Looks terrible...  :)

 

FYI in case you haven't heard, Purg is going to be offering 3 day ($159) and 5 day ($249) punch passes at their Bodo office this year.  Its about time!  I just got an email from them listing some new lift deals though I haven't yet seen it on their web site.  Maybe Coleman is already starting to make some positive changes for the locals?  It is at least a good start, though I wish they would officially change the name back to Purgatory!

 

Now back to our normally scheduled Colorado weather thread...

post #286 of 4070
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Looks terrible...  :)

 

FYI in case you haven't heard, Purg is going to be offering 3 day ($159) and 5 day ($249) punch passes at their Bodo office this year.  Its about time!  I just got an email from them listing some new lift deals though I haven't yet seen it on their web site.  Maybe Coleman is already starting to make some positive changes for the locals?  It is at least a good start, though I wish they would officially change the name back to Purgatory!

 

Now back to our normally scheduled Colorado weather thread...

 

To be clear, all those pictures were taken yesterday, with a ~25" base that felt like tons more.  The 6" base opening was nasty, I am sure.

 

I did see that. One of my primary gripes (aside from a season pass that I feel is pretty overpriced (or at least limited in that the only non-insane price is offered 1 week in April) is that they only offered the 3 day and 5 day deals for non-locals.  I agree- looks like a step in the right direction.

 

I think Coleman's stated intent to extend the season will be huge for locals, and will be good for the ski area too.

 

I won't be picking up a punch pass this year (already spent money on Wolf pass and Silverton pass), but I would like to get back to Purg and will really look at that in years to come, although I also hope that some of the laundry list of Sipapu discounts make their way to Purg too this year so we can make some visits- it is a mountain my wife would love.

 

I'm not spending a penny there until the sale is official. Current ownership doesn't deserve my money.

post #287 of 4070
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

In other Copper sucks news.... they closed down the Flyer and Union Creek quads today!?!?!?  

 

Both lifts were open yesterday.  Now there is ZERO beginner terrain open at Copper and they are down to 59.5 acres open vs.  115 yesterday.   They should have plenty of snow between snowmaking and the natural snow to keep them both open.  I can't imagine any reason they are closed other than they are too cheap to run the lifts.  For guest experience they should at least be running the Flyer so there is some beginner terrain, but it will be closed until Thurs.  Very lame:
 

 

Simultaneously, on the other side of the mountain, the Speed Center course is open top to bottom for the first time of the season:

 

 

 

 

I'm glad for the US Ski team they got it open.  I think the race training, overall, is a great thing for Copper.  

 

Copper being too cheap to run lifts on terrain that should otherwise be open is a whole different issue.  The fact they have no beginner terrain open right now for budget reasons is unconscionable.  That's just a really, really crappy guest experience.  Use a few bucks you make off the race training and spin the freaking Flyer!!!!

 

Well, let's not go overboard. ABasin doesn't have beginner terrain open, either, and they've been open for weeks (well, I guess they did just open Molly Hogan, but...).   Three days of closing Flyer to (hopefully) move resources around the mountain to get ready for next week, which is the important time.  I don't know what the staffing situation is, either. I'm sure they devoted a lot to getting Rosi's up and running. 

 

I actually feel a little bit sorry for the race teams -- sacrilege, I know -- who have paid a pretty penny to train there, it's not like they have much terrain, either. I know they aren't happy.

 

And I don't think Union Creek was open yesterday?  THat never opens this early.

post #288 of 4070
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Well, let's not go overboard. ABasin doesn't have beginner terrain open, either, and they've been open for weeks (well, I guess they did just open Molly Hogan, but...).   Three days of closing Flyer to (hopefully) move resources around the mountain to get ready for next week, which is the important time.  I don't know what the staffing situation is, either. I'm sure they devoted a lot to getting Rosi's up and running. 

 

I actually feel a little bit sorry for the race teams -- sacrilege, I know -- who have paid a pretty penny to train there, it's not like they have much terrain, either. I know they aren't happy.

 

A-basin is a completely different deal than Copper.  A-basin is a ski area.  Copper is a resort.  There are, and should be, very different expectations for Copper.   Plus... if A-basin had beginner terrain ready, it would be open.  No doubt.   Copper has it ready, and it is closed to save money.  You skied there yesterday.  There is no way they can uses the "not enough snow excuse" on the green terrain served by the Flyer, can they?

 

I feel for the race teams too.   I'm very happy all the racers are at Copper, because a) the US Ski Team pays a ton of money to be there, as do the other racers, b) it's great for the local businesses, rental owners, and the little Copper economy as a whole, c) it's fantastic training for all the racers and the US Ski Team, d) the additional snowmaking benefits the rest of us after the racers leave mid-Dec, and e) I really don't care about early season skiing.

 

Copper, by far, could have the most acreage open to the public right now if you added in race training runs.  I'm fine giving up half the acreage early season to race training for the reason above.... but, they should use the money they make off race training to at least keep the other terrain open that is ready.

 

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And I don't think Union Creek was open yesterday?  THat never opens this early.

 

I'm 99.9% sure I saw it open on the terrain report yesterday, but didn't take a snapshot.  I was surprised too.   Assuming I wasn't imagining things, I'd be fine with them shutting down the Union Creek quad during the week as long as they had the Flyer open.  It's the fact there is ZERO beginner terrain, plus they cut back the terrain so much in spite of congestion due to race training that has me fuming. :mad 

post #289 of 4070
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A-basin is a completely different deal than Copper.  A-basin is a ski area.  Copper is a resort.  There are, and should be, very different expectations for Copper.   Plus... if A-basin had beginner terrain ready, it would be open.  No doubt.   Copper has it ready, and it is closed to save money.  You skied there yesterday.  There is no way they can uses the "not enough snow excuse" on the green terrain served by the Flyer, can they?

 

I feel for the race teams too.   I'm very happy all the racers are at Copper, because a) the US Ski Team pays a ton of money to be there, as do the other racers, b) it's great for the local businesses, rental owners, and the little Copper economy as a whole, c) it's fantastic training for all the racers and the US Ski Team, d) the additional snowmaking benefits the rest of us after the racers leave mid-Dec, and e) I really don't care about early season skiing.

 

Copper, by far, could have the most acreage open to the public right now if you added in race training runs.  I'm fine giving up half the acreage early season to race training for the reason above.... but, they should use the money they make off race training to at least keep the other terrain open that is ready.

 

 

I'm 99.9% sure I saw it open on the terrain report yesterday, but didn't take a snapshot.  I was surprised too.   Assuming I wasn't imagining things, I'd be fine with them shutting down the Union Creek quad during the week as long as they had the Flyer open.  It's the fact there is ZERO beginner terrain, plus they cut back the terrain so much in spite of congestion due to race training that has me fuming. :mad 

Copper is not a resort until Thanksgiving, IMO. It serves the same people ABasin does (minus all the Epic Resort lifties before Keystone/Breck/Vail open). The racers and the die-hards. Hell, you don't even go up to ski yet.  ABasin could totally open up Sundance if they put guns over there early. But they don't.

post #290 of 4070

Breckenridge could easily be 50% open right now.

post #291 of 4070
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A-basin is a completely different deal than Copper.  A-basin is a ski area.  Copper is a resort.  There are, and should be, very different expectations for Copper.   Plus... if A-basin had beginner terrain ready, it would be open.  No doubt.   Copper has it ready, and it is closed to save money.  You skied there yesterday.  There is no way they can uses the "not enough snow excuse" on the green terrain served by the Flyer, can they?

 

I feel for the race teams too.   I'm very happy all the racers are at Copper, because a) the US Ski Team pays a ton of money to be there, as do the other racers, b) it's great for the local businesses, rental owners, and the little Copper economy as a whole, c) it's fantastic training for all the racers and the US Ski Team, d) the additional snowmaking benefits the rest of us after the racers leave mid-Dec, and e) I really don't care about early season skiing.

 

Copper, by far, could have the most acreage open to the public right now if you added in race training runs.  I'm fine giving up half the acreage early season to race training for the reason above.... but, they should use the money they make off race training to at least keep the other terrain open that is ready.

 

 

I'm 99.9% sure I saw it open on the terrain report yesterday, but didn't take a snapshot.  I was surprised too.   Assuming I wasn't imagining things, I'd be fine with them shutting down the Union Creek quad during the week as long as they had the Flyer open.  It's the fact there is ZERO beginner terrain, plus they cut back the terrain so much in spite of congestion due to race training that has me fuming. :mad 

Union Creek was not spinning yesterday but I agree with you about Flyer....Copper deserves some scorn for this.  I understand from a fiscal perspective why they do it midweek but from a guest experience perspective it sucks.

 

On the good news side......they were hanging pads on the Timberline towers yesterday and running the cats up the Moz to pack it down.....I'm guessing Timberline opens this weekend with possibly all runs open except Jaques Pique, Little Burn and my guess is they will let one more storm settle on the Moz before opening.  I'd be shocked at any West Village lifts opening prior to Dec 6th......

 

Of course I saw all this while I was watching Susan fade into the distance in front of me on Highpoint while my girlie (err oldman ) legs cried in agony....my training program of 12oz curls didn't work out as planned:(

 

 

One more foot over the next 10 days would allow  a lot more terrain to open assuming they aren't too cheap to do it:rolleyes 

post #292 of 4070
Surely the difference between a resort and a ski hill is entirely moot pre Thanksgiving as no one in their right mind would be booking a destination stay or expecting full opening?
post #293 of 4070
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post
 

I won't be picking up a punch pass this year (already spent money on Wolf pass and Silverton pass), but I would like to get back to Purg and will really look at that in years to come, although I also hope that some of the laundry list of Sipapu discounts make their way to Purg too this year so we can make some visits- it is a mountain my wife would love.

 

I'm not spending a penny there until the sale is official. Current ownership doesn't deserve my money.

 

We live over on the other side of the county from you so I got Purg's weekday pass and my wife and I both got T-cards for Telluride (about the same distance for us as Wolf Creek).  I look forward to getting over to Wolf Creek when the next snow cycle kicks in and take advantage of some of their weekday old-guy deals.

post #294 of 4070
Lol... I mean, of course I wish more lifts were open, but closing Flyer three early-week days in mid-November hardly seems unconscionable, especially if they are doing in order to prep the rest of the mtn for more widespread openings next week (which is how it appears). Better that than delays later.

Anyway, I prefer to save my rants for situations in which I have more facts than assumptions... :-)
post #295 of 4070

So... How much does it actually costs to run a lift for a day?

 

I know a fixed grip lift generally has 150-200HP motors (I assume a detachable needs more juice, but don't know how much), but I don't know what capacity those motors are used at in normal operation. At a near total guess, I would spitball electricity for that would be somewhere between $100-$300 a day.

 

If I figure 4 people to operate the lift at $20 an hour for salary/benefits for 8 hours, I get $640.

 

Depending on the terrain involved, you may need a few ski patrol folks.

 

Depending on the terrain involved, you probably need more groomer hours.

 

Would a figure of maybe $2000 a day be in the ballpark?

 

Window ticket price at Copper right now is $78. If my guess of $2,000 is anywhere near accurate, that means an additional 26 people would need to buy window tickets to pay for the cost of that lift to operate that given day.

 

I wonder about this because Wolf Creek spins lifts with conditions that almost no ski area in the country would operate.  Many days in the early season conditions are so poor that almost nobody uses the lifts- there is no way down that doesn't involve walking or coreshots while walking with skis attached.  Still, whatever their cost, they do it, even when they almost certainly are losing money operating the lift (its not bringing enough additional guests to pay for operation).  The fact that a small ski area has the economic freedom to make such a decision indicates to me that the cost of lift operation is relatively negligible- it may cost them money running lifts, but isn't going to break the season even at a small ski area with $41 lift tickets.

 

Anyways, I wonder about this simply because shutting down lifts midweek is common for both little and big places.

post #296 of 4070
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Fair enough.  If you limit it to terrain opening for the year as opposed to avy control, there is a huge difference in the way terrain is opened.  Agreed, Copper is very, very conservative about opening terrain with their directed skiing approach.  All those runs where directed skiing was done this weekend are closed today.   Copper's MO (as I'm sure you know) is to do directed skiing to get some tracks and compaction, then close the run until their is enough snowfall they are comfortable opening it for the season.   It's a bummer, as all those runs are likely to sit closed for a week now.   Patrol at Copper has told me they see it as a guest experience issue.  They don't want people ruining their skis and getting hurt.  They would rather hear the complaints about terrain being slow to open.

 

Unlike Copper, Breck has left all the black runs open today.  They are going to be mine fields, but at least they are open:

 

 

I really wish Copper would do that with a run or two... namely Mine Dump!   Just put a rope across the top with a small gate and signs designating it as the official rock ski sacrifice zone.   I'd go up skiing this week if they did... but, with Copper's conservative terrain opening approach I have to wait.  :( 

 

This may change what I do tomorrow.  I wanted to go to Copper, settle in there for the season.  

 

When you add the way the racers at Copper get on the slopes so early, so many, in so little space this year (compared to the last two, at least), for hours before the "general public" lift access opens up,  it's almost like late afternoon conditions on Ptarmigan and under the Eagle lift for morning "first runs," at least for this short window before other runs open up.  Usually I'd have done twice as many days at Copper by now.

 

I think I'll go some place that has nice corduroy for 3-4 runs instead. (Keystone? the Basin?)

 

By the way, tball, at Loveland Saturday for much of the day, there were good sized chop moguls most of the way down that first steeper run liftrider's right off #1 lift.  Enough to get winded this early in the season especially. :)   And enough to test demo fatties, like the  K2 Annex 118s, the Shreditor 120 and the pink bomb Kastle 118s in chop/light crud bumps and such.   :D

 

There are also moguls forming by afternoon at least at A Basin.   

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Patrol at Copper has told me they see it as a guest experience issue.  They don't want people ruining their skis and getting hurt.  They would rather hear the complaints about terrain being slow to open.

The guest experience line of thinking makes no sense.  Copper could put a "warning thin cover" sign at the top of the run.  If guests don't want to ski it, they can ski a different run.  Give guests options.

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From Joel at open snow:

Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday will be dry and warmer each day (currently around 0F on Monday morning). The mountains along and north of I-70 might see a few light snow showers / flurries on Monday and Tuesday as weak storms pass to the northeast of Colorado.

Thursday won't be a big deal. The storm that will pass by on this day will be very week. Maybe we'll see an inch or two of snow for most mountains, though I have low confidence in this.

Friday night through Saturday becomes a bit more interesting as a slightly stronger storm pushes decent moisture into the state. I could see a few inches accumulating for most mountains during this time.

Saturday night into Sunday will offer the best chance for heavy snow as a stronger storm pushes through. It's still six days out, but Sunday has the look of a powder day. Stay tuned for updates. Significant accumulations could fall on most mountains, perhaps with the exception of the southern San Juans.
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Look for Chair 6 to open at Breck this week with access into Contest Bowl.  All of Peak 9 will open the day before Thanksgiving.

 

:) 


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Look for Chair 6 to open at Breck this week with access into Contest Bowl.  All of Peak 9 will open the day before Thanksgiving.

 

:) 

 

I can't decide how I feel about opening Contest Bowl. We saw a bomb slide the lower half of King almost to dirt; I think that was Friday, but it might have been Saturday. In any case, I don't think they'll open Chair 6 to Contest until they've allowed some hike-to for Contest. They were setting up the bootpack for that Sunday; is it open now?

 

My parents will be in town for Thanksgiving; I can't ski then, so I don't want it to snow! I'm a selfish jerk that way.

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