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Alpine Bindings with AT Soles

post #1 of 13
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I'm interested in upgrading my boots and thought about investing in a touring capable boot. I currently have Marker Griffon bindings on a pair of 4frnt skis- I intend to keep them but I do want to invest in a Alpine Touring binding, Ski, and boot combo. I have been looking at Atomic Boots and Black Diamond boots as the fit has been better then others.

 

My question is will my AT soles create an issue with the Griffon binding when I choose to stay on groomers? I have noticed that Black Diamond offers interchangeable sole blocks on specific models but I would not be exploring the Factor but instead the Prime. Atomic has a Waymaker but my goal is to have one boot that can accept both binding styles..

 

The issue that I have come across so far-

 

BD Factor 130/ MX, while it has interchangeable soles blocks, its 130 Flex and +9lbs

 

BD Prime - only AT soles

 

Atomic Waymaker- Must start in a 30.0 (BSL 347) verses the 29.5 in BD (335), Nordica, & Scarpa all of which fit well, even better after heating liners.

 

I'm most interested in the BD Prime because I will be using the Dynafit TLT Radical ST and the fit is near perfect for me...

 

SO, will a prime work with a griffon? Recommendations Please-

post #2 of 13

As I mentioned in my PM and as one of the boot guys finally got around to answering: Basically you'll need DIN (alpine) soles for the Griffons, not lugged AT soles which won't work well because of things like sole thickness, rocker, and friction.  Marker says that Griffons are not to be used with AT/lugged soled boots.

 

AFAIK, the one (non-touring) alpine binding that can be used with any AT boot is the Marker Lord SP, which FWIW uses the same drill pattern as the Griffon.  

 

Edit to add: Looks like maybe the Salomon Warden MNC non-touring binding might work with AT boots.

post #3 of 13

You can get a good buy on Dynafit Zzeus which has interchangeable toe and heel blocks; the alpine blocks work with any alpine binding; I've used my with Marker Squire, Marker Baron, and Look PX12.  I assume this is true of any AT boot with change-out blocks.

post #4 of 13
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The Dynafit boots are too narrow for myself..

post #5 of 13
The older (pre-MX) Factor came in a 110 as well as the 130. Granted, it's still 9 pounds. But you can get sole blocks if you need to have only one pair of boots for some reason.

But, if there's nothing wrong with your current boots, why not just buy AT-only boots to save weight for those days?

Did someone say that Black Diamond is getting out of the boot business?
Edited by sibhusky - 8/8/14 at 10:23am
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Did someone say that Black Diamond is getting out of the boot business?

 

Not likely.  

post #7 of 13

Interesting and long running issues here. Anyone have more information on the Warden? The link doesn't provide much information on how it works - for instance is its toe a Guardian design or something new - says it's multi-certified, but unclear to me if that covers rockered toes, or for that matter, even all types of non-plastic toe blocks. Also anyone know if when a company says their XXX binding "works," or "is compatible" with AT boots, does that mean it's DIN certified? Or have the lawyers figured out another bit of creative language, so if it doesn't say "DIN," it ain't? 

post #8 of 13

Some Warden discussion:  

[url]http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/273227-Salomon-Warden-Binding-(AT-boot-compatible)[/url]

 

The Marker Lord SP page doesn't mention anything about DIN certification (of course, neither do the Duke or Baron):

http://markerusa.com.s177591.gridserver.com/binding/lord-s-p/

 

'S'all I got.

post #9 of 13

Rumor has it that both the new Marker pin-tech binding and the Dynafit beast have won TUV certification.

post #10 of 13
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Did someone say that Black Diamond is getting out of the boot business?

 

Not likely.  

 

Interesting.  This might account for the rumor sibhusky heard:

https://www.wildsnow.com/14017/black-diamond-equipment-business-changes-2014-2015/#more-14017

 

Probably deserves its own thread.  

post #11 of 13
I swear I read it here right after my daughter bought her boots, but I've searched and searched and can't find it.
post #12 of 13
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I swear I read it here right after my daughter bought her boots, but I've searched and searched and can't find it.

Looks like there's a basis for rumors, but BD will be putting out boots this coming season at least. IMO it would be a shame if they dropped the line - theirs are lighter AT boots suited for higher volume feet. IIRC, most other higher volume AT boots are heavier, like Tecnica.
post #13 of 13

It seems Dynafit is beginnng to offer at least a a pair of volumes.  My TLT5Ms were really snug, had to hike w/o buckles a couple of times before I could skin with the instep buckle closed.  I was stuck using the largest buckle settings for 2 seasons.  Wore out the liners and had to order liners from France because I couldn't fit intuition pro tours.  My TLT6M are substantially more voluminous.  I was able to use my custom footbeds from the outset and use mid range buckle settings.  I understand the One is supposed to use an even wider last.   I've had 5 Dynafit boots M29 and volumes were TLT5 < Zzeus < Zzero3 = Zzero4 < TLT6  (of course some of this is due to OEM liners, but the pro tour fits the Zzeus snugly but not the TLT5   (the problem for me is the calf diameter opening for the pro tour and the volume for footbeds for pronation).  TLT5 was a bit narrow for me in the metatarsals, but compaction of the OEM liner and the new thinner Palau liner with a thin SOLE footbed made them comfortable.  I think Scarpas have more volume than Dynafit in some models.

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