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AT boots with Alpine bindings?

post #1 of 9
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I'm interested in upgrading my boots and thought about investing in a touring capable boot. I currently have Marker Griffon bindings on a pair of 4frnt skis- I intend to keep them but I do want to invest in a Alpine Touring binding, Ski, and boot combo. I have been looking at Atomic Boots and Black Diamond boots as the fit has been better then others. My question is will my AT soles create an issue with the Griffon binding when I choose to stay on groomers? I have noticed that Black Diamond offers interchangeable sole blocks on specific models but I would not be exploring the Factor but instead the Prime or Quadant. Atomic has a Waymaker and a Tour model but my goal is to have one boot that can accept both binding styles.. I want the use of tech bindings however I believe each of the models available are with an AT- lug sole which has a slight rocker to them where as the Alpine soles do not.

post #2 of 9

If you want to have complete binding freedom ( able to choose and safely ski any binding combo) then you will have to buy a boot with interchangeable DIN and TECH soles such as the Scott Delirium, but there are others.  Personally I don't think the Atomic touring binding and its brethren should be called touring bindings and I'd stick with a Tech system of which there are several interesting new models this year.

 

Lou

post #3 of 9
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I want to keep my griffon binding and continue to use them not only with my current sticks but in the future.. But I will be looking in the Dynafit TLT Radical ST for my touring setup but the Prime and Quadrant do not have interchangeable soles.. but the Atomic does.. My issue with Atomic is that my BSL jumps from 335(BD)  to 347(Atomic) for my boot size.. My feet are already big enough-

 

Any recommendations for a non TECH binding capable with the Prime or Quadrants?

post #4 of 9

Why does your boot sole length change in the Atomic?

 

Have you shell sized/checked the Atomic or just tried them on---there might be a difference in the liner or shell "last' shape which could be modified.  Read about "Shell checking" a boot below:

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

 

 

mike

post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 

In the BD I'm a 29.5 with a 103 last.. in the Atomic I am a 30.0 with a last of 100 + live fit.. but the BD BSL is only 335 in the 29.5, the atomic is 347 in a 30.0/30.5 shell.

post #6 of 9
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Originally Posted by Ken Spurling View Post
 

In the BD I'm a 29.5 with a 103 last.. in the Atomic I am a 30.0 with a last of 100 + live fit.. but the BD BSL is only 335 in the 29.5, the atomic is 347 in a 30.0/30.5 shell.

Not sure if you answered my question----have you done a shell check in both boots?

 

what length do your feet measure on a mondo board?

 

mike

post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 

I measure 29.5 on one foot and almost 30.0 on the other.. Nordica, Black Diamond, Scarpa Boots have all fit well in a 29.5 better after heating liners.. but the Atomic boot has a weird setup.. the shell starts a little forward which is why I'm standing in a 29.5 shell with bent toes.. I had to start with a 30.0 obviously I have not heated the liner but I would have to start with the larger shell either way.

 

My real question is about the binding however.. As I said I really like and obviously already own a Griffon (200.00) and would like to continue to use them but the Black Diamond Prime has AT soles. The Factor has interchangeable soles but at 130 flex and +9 lbs I have ruled them out.. I like the Prime the best overall for fit, weight, and Tech but- will I be able to ski my griffons with them??

post #8 of 9

If you were to have the liners heat molded in the 29.5, you should have no problem with your toes, provided you don't have large calves (not over 14 inches circumference at the top of the liner)  A large calf will push the foot forward in the shell, if you were to try to extend to a more upright position.  If you have large calves the boots shell can be flared to the rear to take out some of the forward lean, this would help your fore/aft balance also.

 

This is why I was asking about the shell check, your feet should easily fit into the 29.5s.  My feet measure 283mm and I ski in a 27.5 shell 315mm sole length---toes are fine once the liner was broken in.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Ken Spurling View Post

My real question is about the binding however.. As I said I really like and obviously already own a Griffon (200.00) and would like to continue to use them but the Black Diamond Prime has AT soles. The Factor has interchangeable soles but at 130 flex and +9 lbs I have ruled them out.. I like the Prime the best overall for fit, weight, and Tech but- will I be able to ski my griffons with them??

The answer to your question is:  Marker does not certify the binding to be used with an AT sole boot (I checked)

 

good luck

 

mike

post #9 of 9

I understand the setup may be getting complicated, but you may want to look at the new Scarpa boot which uses their performance oriented new tech binding.

 

Lou

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