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post #1 of 16
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Got a couple of new pari of skis for my wife and I. Going to start getting them ready to go. i know I need to hot wax to start - and then get 5 or so good coats of quality wax in them - my question is on the process. Do I Wax, cool, scarpe, brush (and repeat 5 times) ro skip the brushing?

Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 16
Thread Starter 
Wow - typing got the best of me. Apologies for that!
post #3 of 16

It depends.  How much love do you want to show them?  Scraping and brushing tend to knock the little hairs down and make them faster.  You "could" go the to the other extreme and not even scrape each time (just keep adding a "little" wax), but you do need to make sure no dirt gets on them or you'll be ironing that in too.

 

The full blown process is to get a full tune with grind (yes I know they are brand new but manufacturing tunes are prone to wide variations).  Once the base is flat with appropriate structure and edges set/sharp, you hot wax a time or two, then a about three coats of a conditioning wax followed by two coats of final wax.

 

I really like Dominator and follow their process.  Look at their site and do that and not what I type as I'm going by memory, but I believe I'm close.  I use their Base Conditioner and then (depending on the skis) Graphite Zoom or Race Conditioner followed by Bullet.  Works great for where/when I ski/race.

 

I've done both variations and have been happy with the results each time for what I was wanting to achieve.  You can't over wax your skis but you can over heat them and under wax them.  The only thing over waxing does is waste time and money.

 

Have fun,

Ken

post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks Ken. Yes - bases and edges will be checked/corrected/set first. Was just not sure on the waxing.

Thanks again!
post #5 of 16

Hi prophet98,

 

Former Spirit Lake and Hayden resident here...Texas now.

 

I agree with what Ken wrote.  As long as you get the bases clean, and then waxed, scraped, brushed...2 or 3 times....you ought to be fine.  Leave a bunch of cheap wax on them until ski season, scrape it then.  The brushing is where you get quite a bit of performance, learn to enjoy it:).  I use a rotobrush. 

 

Always do your edges first!

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
Texas!!! smile.gif Much better skiing up here!! Hey thanks - yep - just getting back into the tuning - always do edges, etc... was just unsure on new skis. Thanks again!
post #7 of 16

Waxing / Scraping / Brushing  (WSB) Cycles

One method to insure that you get the maximum performance out of your skis is the WSB Cycle. Not only will it make your skis perform and glide better; it will also protect, condition and stabilize the base material. Waxing is one place where some is good, more is better!

 

Repeat often

post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by prophet98 View Post

Got a couple of new pari of skis for my wife and I. Going to start getting them ready to go. i know I need to hot wax to start - and then get 5 or so good coats of quality wax in them - my question is on the process. Do I Wax, cool, scarpe, brush (and repeat 5 times) ro skip the brushing?

Thanks in advance!

all above advice is good if you had all the time in the world; but what else you can do with your time that gives you a better return and satisfaction?

 

For example you could cut out 2cycles, and go wash and wax your car with your same time resources.

Is waxed(3x)skis+clean car == waxed skis(5x)+dirty car to you?

 

My tip would be just spend more time with the wax/cool cycles especially in the first cycles.  Maybe doing a double wax/cool before scraping.   More time with molten or warm wax on the ski logically to me is similar to what the hotbox treatment is supposed to do.

Just cycle through melting all 4 skis a few times before moving on.  By the time you get through ski4, ski1 will be cool enough to benefit from reheating.

post #9 of 16

If you haven't viewed the series Jacques put on utube you might want to:     Basically for waxing, first wipe off production debris with fiberlene, hot wax with a base prep wax and scrape while hot, and repeat if a lot of dirt is coming off (varies among mfrs); then brush with steel brush to open structure, fiberlene, follow with brass brush, fiberlene, and nylon brush, fiberlene.  Then wax with a warm wax (e.g., red that cools to be hard), let cool for a couple of hours, and scrape, brush with brass, and nylon; then wax with a universal wax, scrap, brush, buff.  A 3-step process.  Jacques likes to hot box; that is beyond me.  Then you can keep waxing with a universal every 2nd or 3rd day skiing or use a temp-specific wax to your taste.

post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks.  I have started watching videos from Jacques as well as Starthaus.  Good stuff and pretty similar.

 

Heading to the condo this weekend to play around.  Should be fun!!

post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by prophet98 View Post
 

Thanks.  I have started watching videos from Jacques as well as Starthaus.  Good stuff and pretty similar.

 

Heading to the condo this weekend to play around.  Should be fun!!


Depends if the ski has a sintered or extruded base.  Main thing is to not overheat the base.  More time with less heat is always my option.  That being said a very hard wax will need a hotter iron.
I have tons of hours of vids.  Check my playlists out from my channel.  You reap what you sow. 

Here is a ridiculously long series as most of my stuff is.  Best to you.

post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post
 
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Originally Posted by prophet98 View Post

Got a couple of new pari of skis for my wife and I. Going to start getting them ready to go. i know I need to hot wax to start - and then get 5 or so good coats of quality wax in them - my question is on the process. Do I Wax, cool, scarpe, brush (and repeat 5 times) ro skip the brushing?

Thanks in advance!

all above advice is good if you had all the time in the world; but what else you can do with your time that gives you a better return and satisfaction?

 

For example you could cut out 2cycles, and go wash and wax your car with your same time resources.

Is waxed(3x)skis+clean car == waxed skis(5x)+dirty car to you?

 

My tip would be just spend more time with the wax/cool cycles especially in the first cycles.  Maybe doing a double wax/cool before scraping.   More time with molten or warm wax on the ski logically to me is similar to what the hotbox treatment is supposed to do.

Just cycle through melting all 4 skis a few times before moving on.  By the time you get through ski4, ski1 will be cool enough to benefit from reheating.

My car goes just as fast without wax, and I've never had to scrap a car because the paint failed. But then my skis only get one wax cycle, so I guess it's just laziness, not lack of time.

post #13 of 16

It's rally tough to wax skis too much. the more wax you get into the bases, the smoother they will glide. I also find waxing therapeutic, hanging in the garage with a glass of scotch or bourbon waxing skis..its fun and relaxing. 

post #14 of 16
I also got a new set of skis in the off season. Due to my travel schedule, I was hoping to ski them one day with the wax/tune they came with from the factory and then getting them waxed and tuned that night. Should I do that or should I demo some skis my first day and get them waxed/tuned while I ski?
post #15 of 16
It won't kill the skis. Just know that the tune could be different than what you are used to and you may not enjoy the day. The same could be just as true of the demos, however. Whereas, if you do it yourself, you give it the tune you normally like and adjust accordingly once you've skied them. At the very least, you could wax them yourself.

But, doing nothing won't kill them. Just don't do nothing day after day. Because I doubt there's any wax on them worth fifty feet of skiing from the factory, although it's possible the shop that mounted the bindings may do it.
post #16 of 16
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. I also find waxing therapeutic, hanging in the garage with a glass of scotch or bourbon waxing skis..its fun and relaxing. 

Sounds like a good way to burn the bottoms, if you go overboard on the whiskey.;)

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