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Armada ARVti - length help 178 or 188?

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 

Hi Guys,

I was lucky enough be at demo day at my local resort and Australia and tried heaps of skis and snowboards. I have been snowboarder for 15 years but gone back to skiing for my kids last few years so looking to get a new pair of all-mountain skis

 

Out of all the skis i demoed, I feel loved the ride of the Armada ARVti.

 

I need help on size 178? or 188?.  I am 185cm, 85kgs , off-piste 40% and resort skiing 60%. do small- mid size kickers,  pipe but no tricks, easy fun boxes but no rails. (had to many bad falls on rails on snowboarding). i would classify myself as very good intermediate, maybe advanced but definitely not a expert. I am a laid back skier, who doesnt like to fast all the time.

 

I am pretty set on the ARVtis, but Im between sizes, when i demoed the 188 for few groomed runs and one off-piste run I like it alot and then demo the 178 only for one groomed  run  before i ran out of time to go home ,I  also liked it alot but hard to tell from just one run to be sure if the 178 was the better choice.

 

i was leaning towards the 178 as it felt lighter underfoot and easier to manevour but still unsure between the sizes. size guides say 188 but i felt i could go faster with better control on the 188

 

I like to go off-piste between trees so i though 178 would be fine, but i maybe the 188 would give added verstaility as a semi-powder ski

 

I am currently skiing on a nordica hot rod tempest 178 totally different ski - resort carving ski. the ARVti has a slight rocker tip and tail so maybe go the 188 

 

so hard to tell. my wife only would let me have one quiver ski and i ski in japan alot as well.

 

I considered the TST but for my riding the ARVti just felt better for me

 

any help please?

post #2 of 9

Hi there.  Welcome to EpicSki. 

85 kgms is close to 190lbs which puts you in the "between" category. 

You hit the nail on the head with your statement here 

 

Quote:
 I like to go off-piste between trees so i though 178 would be fine, but i maybe the 188 would give added verstaility as a semi-powder ski

 

The 178 will be more agile in trees, off piste and tight spaces, but the 188 will translate into more float, stability at speed and in bowls. 

 

See?  I'm super helpful :D

post #3 of 9

I'm not as super helpful.

 

My own personal rant is that there is too much difference between 178 and 188 cm skis lengths. I personally find ~183 to be a good sweet spot. I hate it when ski manufacturers have too much gap in ski length; you get into the Goldilocks problem.

post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 

thanks for quick reply guys. yeah the 178 to 188 is big jump for sizes

 

so basically my choice is based on what trade off i willing to sacrifice. trees vs open bowls

 

hmm my current stiff carving ski, all camber, no rocker ski is 178  which felt just about right. The ARVti at 178 has a bit of rocker make it more shorter compared to my current ski

 

maybe get the 188 work on improving my technqiue so 188 wont feel much difference in trees.

 

if i was only resort skiing 178 would be perfect but having one quiver ski requires alot of trade-offs .

 

alot of retailer shops tell me to go longer to be safe if you are a decent skier already if u r between sizes...

post #5 of 9

I'll give you my own data point. Key caveat is that I don't have experience with the Armada ARVti. This can be an "eat your own" forum, so I'm only offering my opinion until you get someone with experience with that ski.

 

In other woids, I'm trying to be helpful, but not definitive.

 

I weigh ~200 pounds (you are ~190?) I am an experienced (oldish) all-mountain skier. But I don't suck too badly and I play league ice hockey weekly. So I can eat most peeps lunch.

 

For firmer conditions (piste and bumps), I ski ~178/179. Skis are Vokl RTM-81's/Blizzard 8.1 (~80mm underfoot) and Line Prophet 90's (90 mm underfoot.) I have a blast skiing the LP 90's in all sorts of terrain and in a foot of new snow.

 

Out west (UT/CO/WY/etc.), I ski Blizzard the Ones (98 mm) in ~184. No issues for me in feet deep snow.

 

My personal take: unless you are ripping big mountain bowls at Mach 10 and are ~25 athletic and aggressive, go with the ~178. Or look at another set of skis with something in the ~183 range. 188 is for wide-open skiing at your weight. Edit: and your likely experience. There are ski pro's here at much lighter weight for whom this advice wouldn't apply.

post #6 of 9
Your age might be relevant to the discussion. At 30 the 188 might feel like less work than at 50.
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 

thanks for input. im 34.

I ski and snowboard in Australia and Japan where there is not much vertical or wide open spaces

post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 

looks like for now 178 is the go thanks guys

post #9 of 9

^Probably a good choice given where you rate your ability, and what you want to do with the ski. I'd consider something a little fatter and longer when you're ready to expand your quiver, but you'll probably still appreciate having this ski when conditions warrant.

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