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post #31 of 46

For me it was "intercourse your turns, don't poop on them". That's the clean version, but you get the idea.;)

 

Also, when I learned that I could have cheese, and bacon with my burger.

Mind=BLOWN!

post #32 of 46
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Originally Posted by MT Skull View Post

For me it was "intercourse your turns, don't poop on them". That's the clean version, but you get the idea.wink.gif

Also, when I learned that I could have cheese, and bacon with my burger.
Mind=BLOWN!

The jack ass avatar is fitting.
post #33 of 46
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The jack ass avatar is fitting.

You're just getting it now?:nono:

 

I started out with this one: but find the jack-ass just suits my personality better.

 

As far as the skiing analogy; it's meant to promote an upright, hips forward stance, VS hips back, and hunched over, but you probably already figured that one out. You may not be ready for the cheeseburger analogy yet.:D  


Edited by MT Skull - 7/31/14 at 1:54pm
post #34 of 46
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You're just getting it now?nonono2.gif

I started out with this one:
 but find the jack-ass just suits my personality better.

As far as the skiing analogy; it's meant to promote an upright, hips forward stance, VS hips back, and hunched over, but you probably already figured that one out. You may not be ready for the cheeseburger analogy yet.biggrin.gif  
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Originally Posted by MT Skull View Post

For me it was "intercourse your turns, don't poop on them". That's the clean version, but you get the idea.wink.gif

Also, when I learned that I could have cheese, and bacon with my burger.
Mind=BLOWN!

The jack ass avatar is fitting.
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Originally Posted by MT Skull View Post

You're just getting it now?nonono2.gif

I started out with this one:
 but find the jack-ass just suits my personality better.

As far as the skiing analogy; it's meant to promote an upright, hips forward stance, VS hips back, and hunched over, but you probably already figured that one out. You may not be ready for the cheeseburger analogy yet.biggrin.gif  

Ehh doesn't bother me. I prefer life in color than black and white. I figured why not stir the pot.
Enjoy.
post #35 of 46

   Hmmm....hips forward is a whole other can o' worms here on epic :cool. Here's a "primer" Where do we want our hips over our feet? Why do we want to move our hips forward?

 

     zenny

post #36 of 46
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   Hmmm....hips forward is a whole other can o' worms here on epic cool.gif . Here's a "primer" Where do we want our hips over our feet? Why do we want to move our hips forward?


     zenny
I read the opening post, then about six to eight random groups of words on the first reply.
Let's just say.. Let's keep skiing fun or more fun. As in that's ski knowledge I don't know I really want to know. Yikes. I just stand on my feet and go down like a crazy ass bastard searching for powder and air time. Legs this legs that. Now 2" of my hip socket. No way.
Edit: I'll read it later. :-)
post #37 of 46
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Edit: I'll read it later. :-)

 

   It takes a while, but it's a worthy read, as are many others that question the prevailing dogma. But I don't want to hijack your thread :)

 

    zenny 

post #38 of 46
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For me it was "intercourse your turns, don't poop on them". That's the clean version, but you get the idea.wink.gif

Also, when I learned that I could have cheese, and bacon with my burger.
Mind=BLOWN!

Funny thing is. After seeing the complexity of the hips thread and zenny pointing out your hips 1. That's the funniest answer ever. 2. I prefer your Simple analoy over the bizarre diagrammatic display of idk what from mr barnes, sorry bob. And 3. Thanks for your answer.
post #39 of 46

Two stand-out posts from that thread:

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 Originally Posted by Bob Barnes View Post


While I have always maintained that it is not necessary to understand ski technique to ski well, any significant misunderstanding of ski technique destroys all hope of making a good turn. And the "hips over feet" doctrine does just that.

First of all, though "hips over feet" or "move the hips forward" seem to be a simple statements, they beg many questions, as others have already mentioned. What part of the foot? What part of the hips? What part of the turn? Do you mean "center of mass" instead of hips? (Embarrassingly, in our professional journal last season, there was an article suggesting that we equate hips and center of mass "for simplicity." That's a critical misunderstanding that leads to many false conclusions in itself!) Which direction is "over"? (Vertical? Perpendicular to the hill? Along the "line of action" or "balance angle" of the body? Other?) Forward of what? Feet? What frame of reference? Which direction is "forward" anyway? (Direction the skis point? Direction the body points? Direction you're going? Down the hill?) Do I need my hips to BE forward, to MOVE forward, or both? If they must move forward (whatever that means), does that imply that I must exert muscular effort to cause the movement?

And, most critically important, WHY? Why do I need my hips forward or over my feet? What is the purpose?

I sometimes envy snowboarders, who have often been able to escape such crippling dogma. There is no stigma against hips moving left or right (along the length of the snowboard), or of pressuring one foot (and one end of the board) or the other. Snowboarders are free to do whatever works, whatever causes the desired effect. They are free of skiers' historical prejudice against ever pressuring the back end of the ski, getting "in the back seat." We can learn from them!
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Originally Posted by Old Boot View Post

You keep your body where you need to as not to fall over?this changes in every situation. There im done LOL
 

I personally like Old Boot's over-simplified approach. The exact position of your hips relative to your feet or upper body are going to change relative to what you're skiing, and how, so there is no "correct" position. My over-simplified approach is to ski with a strong core, and to hopefully not hinge too much at the waist, or to over-simplify further, "you'll know it when you feel it".

 

As for Bob's envy of snowboarders; I'll bet there's plenty of stigma, dogma, and prejudice among snowboarders with regard to technique, but you'd probably need to be a boarder for several years to pick up on the subtleties. Some good examples in this http://www.yobeat.com/issue13/retards.htm article.

post #40 of 46
Simple IS good, I agree smile.gif I just though I'd at least mention that for some, thinking always forward (hips over feet, skiing tall, all tip pressure all the time, etc) when taken too literally, can potentially lead one astray...

But we've seen you skiing MT, u r a shredder fo sho!

zenny
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Simple IS good, I agree smile.gif I just though I'd at least mention that for some, thinking always forward (hips over feet, skiing tall, all tip pressure all the time, etc) when taken too literally, can potentially lead one astray...

But we've seen you skiing MT, u r a shredder fo sho!

zenny

That is the nicest thing anyone here has ever said to me. Thanks Zenny.Thumbs Up

post #42 of 46
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For me it was "intercourse your turns, don't poop on them". That's the clean version, but you get the idea.;)

 

 

I've also had some success with the uncensored version of this in getting my beginner friends to understand what I want them to do with their hips. These people don't want to listen to me talk about movements or coaching stuff, they just want a few "quick tips," and this imagery is quite clear :D.

post #43 of 46

@LiquidFeet did a side by side of me and some JF guy and that was very timely as some trainers were just trying to beat into my head what to do with the inside ski and hip, to eliminate hip dumping and it was just awesomely self-explanatory.

 

When I saw that, it all suddenly made sense... for all the talking and the words and the demo-ing and everything, seeing that frame-by-frame difference was the tipping point. It is likely I wouldn't have noticed the same thing were it not for the words preceding it...

 

After figuring out that I don't have to be in a locked carve all the time -- a while ago, at much lower levels of skill... at least hopefully much lower :rolleyes -- that side-by-side was, I think, the most important bit of info that changed my skiing. It would have taken me much longer otherwise.

 

cheers

post #44 of 46

^Video can be an incredibly helpful tool. I've had a bunch of friends who weren't too pleased with what the camera revealed about their skiing. Among the least popular; the dreaded double pole-plant, and the fencing pole plant.:duel:

 

IMO, easy enough bad habits to break once you're aware of them. OK, maybe not. Check out the double pole-plants @:11 in, and fencing at :45 in on the below video. TJ might have cleaned up the DPP, but I'm pretty sure Bruce is still a fencing champ!:nono:

 

post #45 of 46

Mt Skull

 

The double pole plant can be very useful to help regain balance and getting forward.  IMOP that what he used it for. 

 

What year was that video taken?

 

Hank

post #46 of 46
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Originally Posted by wildcat hank View Post
 

Mt Skull

 

The double pole plant can be very useful to help regain balance and getting forward.  IMOP that what he used it for. 

 

What year was that video taken?

 

Hank

Hank, 

Meh, it's a crutch, which isn't to say I never pole plant.:D

 

That was 1996 I think.

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