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*sigh* oh for the days when commercial jingle writing

 

 

 

 

how about "Cadillac, When you just want a gaudy car with a lot of chrome........"  :rotflmao: 

post #92 of 112
The current generation of Caddy are pretty darn good compared to Caddys and domestics of even 5-10 years ago.
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I'm sorry if this is a repeat link, but I just saw this and thought it was a good read for those who are interested in LeTour but have some questions. 

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-gear/gear-shed/cycle-life/Tour-De-France-For-Dummies.html?utm_campaign=rss&utm_source=feedly&utm_reader=feedly&utm_medium=xmlfeed

post #94 of 112
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The current generation of Caddy are pretty darn good compared to Caddys and domestics of even 5-10 years ago.

 

As someone who still owns the tools required to work on J-car Caddys, this is a low bar.

post #95 of 112
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although I am watching intently, the number and frequency of commercials (not to mention repetitiveness of them) makes it hard to watch without DVR'ing.  Looking forward to the Mountains tomorrow.  


What channel do you watch it on down there?  We have pretty good coverage..I have to say I feel lucky right now.  We get 3 hours usually and there really aren't many commercials.  Canadian TV is better for once??  th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif
I much prefer Canadian coverage of most sports, but I could only find live coverage inn CBC (no replay), but the hours don't work for me.

I can't imagine watching live when they start showing one minute of racing for every five minutes of commercials so they can show the end of the stage commercial free.
post #96 of 112
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although I am watching intently, the number and frequency of commercials (not to mention repetitiveness of them) makes it hard to watch without DVR'ing.  Looking forward to the Mountains tomorrow.  

Herself likes the brit ads on eurosport.    Especially the ones for the german downdraft fume-catching cook tops (Uh-oh!)
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We have an older downdraft vent and hate it. It does a good job with the smoke but sucks all the heat away from the gas burners! Also makes them heat very unevenly. The side of the pan away from the intake is like ice.
post #97 of 112

Is it time to play the "Where In The World is Trek's Next GC Hope?" game yet?

post #98 of 112

Et...c'est fini...

post #99 of 112
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Is it time to play the "Where In The World is Trek's Next GC Hope?" game yet?

 

Yep.  And the answer is Nibali.  Trek made bazillions off Lance, I'm sure they could afford to pay Vincenzo whatever he wants. ;) 

post #100 of 112

I assume everyone by now has heard the story about Tony Martin's cotton casing clinchers.  

     Is anyone here riding anything similar, Challenge or Vittoria?

post #101 of 112
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I assume everyone by now has heard the story about Tony Martin's cotton casing clinchers.  

 

     Is anyone here riding anything similar, Challenge or Vittoria?

I heard nothing more then that he didn't use them, went with sew ups. I think they're supposed to become available for us to buy in the fall.

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I assume everyone by now has heard the story about Tony Martin's cotton casing clinchers.  

     Is anyone here riding anything similar, Challenge or Vittoria?

 

What's the story? I missed it. I rode Open Corsa CX and CGs until I switched to road-tubeless. They were pretty nice. Still have a few pair hanging in the garage. Are Nibali's tires different from those?

post #103 of 112

Most of the pack run tubulars but Tony Martin has been testing some clincher tires, cotton 320tpi casing.  Supposed to be faster than tubs but are apparently are very prone to flats.  I suspect at the Tour he decided against experimenting.  Maybe he'll try them again in a less grand event.

post #104 of 112
Big faux pas by Todd Harris in the wake of the Shelly Olds interview today. As soon as he said it, Ms. q and I both groaned.
post #105 of 112
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Big faux pas by Todd Harris in the wake of the Shelly Olds interview today. As soon as he said it, Ms. q and I both groaned.

What as the faux pas?  I completely missed that.

 

BTW, the women's race as very exciting and Marianna Voss is amazing.

post #106 of 112
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Big faux pas by Todd Harris in the wake of the Shelly Olds interview today. As soon as he said it, Ms. q and I both groaned.

What as the faux pas?  I completely missed that.

 

BTW, the women's race as very exciting and Marianna Voss is amazing.

 

They had pro cyclist Shelley Olds in the commentators' booth talking about La Course - the women's race that had happened earlier in the day (as you mention, roadrash). Part of the point of that race is to help legitimize women's cycling as a sport worthy of watching in its own right. This happens, of course, against a backdrop of European tradition in which women's participation in cycling has been limited to peripheral or decorative functions which are arguably stale at best and and are seen as actively sexist by many. The "podium girl" tradition illustrates the point. Women's tennis struggled with this exact thing for years, but is decades ahead of cycling thanks to sustained efforts by many people, most famously including Billie Jean King.

 

With all this in mind, it was, in my view, worse than inane for Todd Harris to sum up the interview with Ms. Olds by saying that she had "certainly brightened up the set in the looks department," or words to that effect.

post #107 of 112
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With all this in mind, it was, in my view, worse than inane for Todd Harris to sum up the interview with Ms. Olds by saying that she had "certainly brightened up the set in the looks department," or words to that effect.

Ah, I thought that was more than a little awkward also.

 

The thing that bothered me most about the coverage both on Universal Sports and on NBC sports was they didn't show the podium presentation at all, nor did they even mention that American Coryn Rivera finished 6th and won the Best Young Rider competition.  As much as they gush over the American men, you would think they would have mentioned that honor.

post #108 of 112
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Ah, I thought that was more than a little awkward also.

 

The thing that bothered me most about the coverage both on Universal Sports and on NBC sports was they didn't show the podium presentation at all, nor did they even mention that American Coryn Rivera finished 6th and won the Best Young Rider competition.  As much as they gush over the American men, you would think they would have mentioned that honor.

 

So what we're saying here is NBC had two points of failure?

 

 

1) Equal with different coverage is not equal.


2) If you're trying to achieve gender equality that doesn't at present exist, retro gallantry is not going to help.  Don't use it.   Retro gallantry might be OK after equality is achieved (see point 1) - but only if the woman likes it. 

 

Am I interpreting y'all's comments correctly?

post #109 of 112
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So what we're saying here is NBC had two points of failure?

 

 

1) Equal with different coverage is not equal.


2) If you're trying to achieve gender equality that doesn't at present exist, retro gallantry is not going to help.  Don't use it.   Retro gallantry might be OK after equality is achieved (see point 1) - but only if the woman likes it. 

 

Am I interpreting y'all's comments correctly?

I can't speak for qcanoe, but I don't believe there will ever be "equality" in terms of coverage in Women's sports via Men's, and don't think it should be a goal to be forced on networks or organizers.  Hopefully, cycling, like skiing, speed skating and gymnastics, will come nearer to equality in coverage because the product is just as exciting and the public will demand it.  I can't see that ever happening with team sports like basketball and hockey.

 

I have been following mens cycling for years, and remember when the best you could hope for was a 30 minute weekend recap of what went on at the Tour that week.  It really wasn't until "He who must no longer be named" didn't win 7 in a row that the "Event" of the TdF became wall to wall coverage.  These things take time.

 

My biggest beef is probably more due to the ignorance (as in lack of specific knowledge not just plain stupid) of the announcers.  While they constantly blather on about underperforming American men during the whole tour, they fail to even mention that the most decorated junior racer in American history won one of the big three awards of the race and I think disrespected all of those that made the podium by not airing it.

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Well, I see ^that as just plain NBC stupidity and failure to capitalize on something they were handed on a platter.   I mean, seriously,  the rah-rah over women's soccer proved that the public can care.

 

 

Accepting your quoted below at face value, though it's a bit sad, the corollary is that gallantry on air is *out*, forever.   And it's time every presenter understood that.

 

 

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I can't speak for qcanoe, but I don't believe there will ever be "equality" in terms of coverage in Women's sports via Men's, and don't think it should be a goal to be forced on networks or organizers.  Hopefully, cycling, like skiing, speed skating and gymnastics, will come nearer to equality in coverage because the product is just as exciting and the public will demand it.

post #111 of 112
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While they constantly blather on about underperforming American men during the whole tour, they fail to even mention that the most decorated junior racer in American history won one of the big three awards of the race and I think disrespected all of those that made the podium by not airing it.

 

Unfortunately, nearly all American commentators and sports coverage that includes countries other than the USA, are like this.  I'm not sure if Americans can see it since you're inside the warped fishbowl perspective, but anyone outside the USA with sports coverage other than American, can see this.  It becomes very apparent during the Olympics in particular, and it's not just an NBC thing; it's an American thing.

 

Don't misunderstand: I'm not bashing America.  I'm bashing one-sided coverage. I suppose it's understandable since it's an American audience, but it's a shame, really, because there are some amazing American commentators and journalists (and athletes!) but their expertise and voices are lost in the complete pro-USA stance.

 

Between Canadian TV and steaming UK coverage, I'm able to get some fantastic viewpoints on the race itself (or Olympics or soccer or whatever) without having to listen to pro-country blather.  It's more about the sport and the people, and less about the patriotic machine......which is the way it *should* be.

 

That said, cycling is not high on the North American sports coverage priority list.  Perhaps that may change since viewers can now subscribe or stream feeds from almost anywhere in the world, not just traditional TV channels.  It's the new paradigm, but networks have yet to do anything about it.  Frankly, I don't care if they do; I've already long since moved on from network/cable TV and am far happier for it.

post #112 of 112
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Ah, I thought that was more than a little awkward also.

 

The thing that bothered me most about the coverage both on Universal Sports and on NBC sports was they didn't show the podium presentation at all, nor did they even mention that American Coryn Rivera finished 6th and won the Best Young Rider competition.  As much as they gush over the American men, you would think they would have mentioned that honor.

Well, during the Olympics they had Bob Cost-us at the helm, with the exception of the days that his eye infection required Matt Lauer to step in.  

 

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I can't speak for qcanoe, but I don't believe there will ever be "equality" in terms of coverage in Women's sports via Men's, and don't think it should be a goal to be forced on networks or organizers.  Hopefully, cycling, like skiing, speed skating and gymnastics, will come nearer to equality in coverage because the product is just as exciting and the public will demand it.  I can't see that ever happening with team sports like basketball and hockey.

 

I have been following mens cycling for years, and remember when the best you could hope for was a 30 minute weekend recap of what went on at the Tour that week.  It really wasn't until "He who must no longer be named" didn't win 7 in a row that the "Event" of the TdF became wall to wall coverage.  These things take time.

 

My biggest beef is probably more due to the ignorance (as in lack of specific knowledge not just plain stupid) of the announcers.  While they constantly blather on about underperforming American men during the whole tour, they fail to even mention that the most decorated junior racer in American history won one of the big three awards of the race and I think disrespected all of those that made the podium by not airing it.

I agree, and its not just the sports world.  

In Skiing and Snowboarding coverage, we see more balance than we do in other areas because we're passionate about the overall skiing and Snowboarding of both genders.  We were on the edges of our seats to watch Mikaela Shiffrin just as much as we were for Bode Miller or Ted Ligety .  But then we see stories like this one.  (Katie Ormerod is first Woman to Land Backside Double Cork 1080) and realize that women are still trailing in some aspects. 

 

This is not a travesty, just an observation.  

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