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Another binding thread: Marker Squire, Solomon STH 12, Solomon STH2 13

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
It's time to get some new bindings to replace the Solomon Z10s I put on my 97mm waist Shoguns last spring. I bought the Z10s basically because they were cheap, but apparently they're not adequate for the Shoguns' width, and any added safety and performance from a better binding is worth an extra set of holes. I've gotten a bit lost in the choices, though, so before going to Shopko and buying a set of darts to throw at my computer screen I thought I'd lay them out and see if you all can help. @Philpug mentioned some Solomon bindings in a thread late last season, but I can't find it, so I'm hoping he'll see this and not be too sick of binding threads to read it. duck.gif

Marker Squire, 110mm brake, DIN 3-11, skier weight 65-240#: I've been happy with the ones on my 95mm Geishas this past three seasons, and I'm right in the middle of the DIN and weight ranges. They're light but release (or not) as appropriate, and it feels clean getting into and out of them. I guess I'm above the "lightweight woman with a short BSL" threshold, because I haven't had the kind of trouble a lot of women seem to have. At any rate, I've liked them enough that unless there's something significantly better, I'd be inclined to be boring and buy them. They're mostly $150 online but I just found them for $120 on one website, and I don't expect their stock to last long.

Solomon STH 12, 100mm brake: DIN 4-12, skier weight 92-264. There's an STH 10, but the specs for STH 12 are more similar to the Squire, and the STH 12s are just a little over a pound heavier than the Squire, which isn't bad. Things like high lateral transmission, a stomp pad (really?), low stand height, and some metal reinforcement that I've read about in some descriptions sound solid, but I can't tell whether they're superior enough to be worth the $30-$40 price difference I've found online today. If I missed out on the $120 deal, the prices would be comparable.

Solomon STH2 13 (100mm): DIN 4-12, skier weight 110-275; replaces the STH 12 and 14. This is beefy from my perspective; for one thing, it puts me lower in the weight range than the Squire and is another pound heavier than the STH 12. Again, the technology sounds great, but as with the STH 12, I have no idea whether it's just hype or if the performance would be noticeable to someone who doesn't do tricks or (deliberately) jump off of anything. The price difference between them and the Squire is about the same as the STH 12.

I haven't listed anything else because, well, these are the bindings I've recently seen recommended most, and the number of binding alternatives is scary. But I'll gladly consider something else if these seem inadequate or if there's some low hanging fruit I've been ignoring.

So, any ideas?
post #2 of 10

I would expect you searched for solomon, when it is spelt salomon

 

the thread you want is here???

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/119404/preview-review-2014-salomon-sth2-binding-series

 

 

The issue you may have is binding holes being a bit close (not sure if the holes line up between z series and sth?)

 

 

and if you want something truly good, then think about pivots or fks as well

post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
Believe it or not, 'Salomon' and 'Solomon' both appear on websites. Seems I'm not the only one who goes for the traditional spelling.
post #4 of 10
First, what exactly is wrong with the bindings currently on the ski? What makes them "not adequate" for you and the ski? Different brakes may be available if that's the root of the problem. Resetting the binding to your boots and adjusting the DIN can improve the performance. Of course, if it's just a lack of confidence that's OK.

If you like the Squires already, go with them. My Praxis Backcountry skis have Squires and they work well for me and I'm at the heavier and more aggressive end of their scale.

I am a weight fanatic. I will always choose the lightest binding that will work for me. I'm OK if the binding breaks after a few years - it's probably time for new skis then anyway. Most of my many binding failures have manifest when putting the ski on or off. Ripping the binding off the ski has happened a couple times as well - an argument against any binding change for you as extra holes and remounts up this risk.

All modern bindings are pretty good. You should be fine no matter what you choose.

Eric
post #5 of 10

I am sorry but Squires are by far the weakest of the tree bindings listed and personally I would not consider and do not recommend under almost any situation especially with lighter skiers with short BSL's. All to the point we would not stock them. The Sth2 13 is a 5-13 DIN range and while might be overkill for you, is the best of the three listed. The Sth12O/S will work fine and can be on sale now. Head Peak 12 and the newly designed Attack13 are great options too. I have been off for the summer from Start Haus but give them a call, i bet they have some good options at a great price. 

 

@eleeski , pitfalls of the Z10 s the binding is not laterally rigid enough for a ski over the upper 80's in width, the plastic housing over the narrow heel tray and loosens up quickly. 

post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
My memory seems to be a little better after some sleep. In that elusive thread where Phil answered a question for me, he was talking about the Z10s pulling out of wider skis because they're not able to handle the forces involved with a wider ski. That alone was enough to make me think of replacing them. I don't know if it was just the power of suggestion, but when I finally had some good days on them after fixing some tuning problems I did notice a little bit of wonkiness in rough crud. At the time I put it down to my liners packing out, but it was still there after I locked my feet down with some thin insoles. Maybe that's why Z10s don't even come with 100mm brakes (a shop found me some 100mm brakes for them). Or maybe it's me that's wonky. th_dunno-1[1].gif:

Someone on another thread said he considered weight to be on par with color in terms of binding criteria, and I'd agree at least up to a point. OTOH, we wouldn't be having this conversation if the STH2 13 came in the same green as the STH2 16, which would look awesome on the Shogun's bamboo-ish topsheet. wink.gif
post #7 of 10
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My memory seems to be a little better after some sleep. In that elusive thread where Phil answered a question for me, he was talking about the Z10s pulling out of wider skis because they're not able to handle the forces involved with a wider ski. That alone was enough to make me think of replacing them. I don't know if it was just the power of suggestion, but when I finally had some good days on them after fixing some tuning problems I did notice a little bit of wonkiness in rough crud. At the time I put it down to my liners packing out, but it was still there after I locked my feet down with some thin insoles. Maybe that's why Z10s don't even come with 100mm brakes (a shop found me some 100mm brakes for them). Or maybe it's me that's wonky. th_dunno-1[1].gif:

Someone on another thread said he considered weight to be on par with color in terms of binding criteria, and I'd agree at least up to a point. OTOH, we wouldn't be having this conversation if the STH2 13 came in the same green as the STH2 16, which would look awesome on the Shogun's bamboo-ish topsheet. wink.gif

Sth2 13 DOES come in green, the Sth2 16 only came on blue. The metallic green for 2014 has been discontinued and both the 13 and the 16 for 2015 come in lime green variations. 

post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 
Hey there, Phil, I was writing when you posted. I just realized that you're off galavanting around the country, so it's very kind of you to pipe in.

So what is "lightweight"? I haven't had trouble getting in or out of the Squires on my Geishas, so I assumed I didn't meet the criteria. Maybe I just happened to get a good pair.

The STH2 13 might indeed be overkill, but while I'm not exactly hot stuff, and I don't take anything like the kinds of falls I used to, I'm not a timid little thing either. And it doesn't sound like the STH2 is going to have a negative impact on my skiing. So...
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by litterbug View Post

My memory seems to be a little better after some sleep. In that elusive thread where Phil answered a question for me, he was talking about the Z10s pulling out of wider skis because they're not able to handle the forces involved with a wider ski. That alone was enough to make me think of replacing them. I don't know if it was just the power of suggestion, but when I finally had some good days on them after fixing some tuning problems I did notice a little bit of wonkiness in rough crud. At the time I put it down to my liners packing out, but it was still there after I locked my feet down with some thin insoles. Maybe that's why Z10s don't even come with 100mm brakes (a shop found me some 100mm brakes for them). Or maybe it's me that's wonky. th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif:


Someone on another thread said he considered weight to be on par with color in terms of binding criteria, and I'd agree at least up to a point. OTOH, we wouldn't be having this conversation if the STH2 13 came in the same green as the STH2 16, which would look awesome on the Shogun's bamboo-ish topsheet. wink.gif
Sth2 13 DOES come in green, the Sth2 16 only came on blue. The metallic green for 2014 has been discontinued and both the 13 and the 16 for 2015 come in lime green variations. 
Ooh, cool!
post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by litterbug View Post

Hey there, Phil, I was writing when you posted. I just realized that you're off galavanting around the country, so it's very kind of you to pipe in.

So what is "lightweight"? I haven't had trouble getting in or out of the Squires on my Geishas, so I assumed I didn't meet the criteria. Maybe I just happened to get a good pair.

The STH2 13 might indeed be overkill, but while I'm not exactly hot stuff, and I don't take anything like the kinds of falls I used to, I'm not a timid little thing either. And it doesn't sound like the STH2 is going to have a negative impact on my skiing. So...

Not at all a negative impact. It is a good binding. 

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