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post #91 of 109

First, this season MLB baseball is not allowing batters to step out of the batter's box unless they offered at the previous pitch and there is already rules on the book for the amount of time a pitcher can have to throw a pitch (it's never enforced, but it is there). All of these 'ideas' on how to speed up the game by altering the rules when the real solution was given on April 29th of this year.

 

Baseball games take 3 hours due to commercial breaks and the between innings 'in stadium fan participation' crap. When the White Sox and Orioles played in an empty stadium, the game took 2 hours and 3 minutes

 

I dislike NASCAR. I think it is both stupid and as boring as watching paint dry. I do not think that the powers that be in NASCAR should fundamentally alter the sport so that it begins to appeal to me. 

post #92 of 109
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Baseball games take 3 hours due to commercial breaks and the between innings 'in stadium fan participation' crap. When the White Sox and Orioles played in an empty stadium, the game took 2 hours and 3 minutes

 

 

There was a game we watched a few weeks ago that was also just minutes over 2 hours. There were also a few other games that ere under 2 hours this year...LINK. 

post #93 of 109
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^^ Yeah, I think it's pretty stupid and short-sighted of them to do that.

If MLB was smart, what they would do is have *multiple* broadcasts with different announcers. Say you want to see your local announcers do the game instead of Joe Buck, flip over to Fox Sports 1.  They're still promoting the new channel and not leaving anyone out.

Mute the TV audio and turn on the radio. Better play-by-play, and because it takes more time to describe what has happened there is less time for blather.

MLB already does this but you have to paybto get the At Bat app. It gives you a choice of 3 radio broadcasts. Each team's announcers plus a Spanish channel. It's a good app but it costs 3$/ month or 20 a season. But it's really hard to get say Yankees radio online. It's very restricted. So you almost need the app if you want to hear it.

The problem with tv/radio is now that it's cable it doesn't sync up. Sometimes it's nearly 30 secs off. It can also switch with radio being ahead and then radio being behind. Seems to be a function of distance from home area.
post #94 of 109

I think the issue is the length of the games.  Cutting 8 games out of the season doesn't address that issue.  Going to 154 games also messes up the stats, and most baseball fans are into stats.

 

Having the DH in both leagues and eliminating interleague play will help improve the game.

 

 I agree with Philpug about interleague play.  The great thing about the WS was seeing two teams from different leagues face each other-teams who had not faced each other during the regular season.

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I think the issue is the length of the games.  Cutting 8 games out of the season doesn't address that issue.  Going to 154 games also messes up the stats, and most baseball fans are into stats.

 

Having the DH in both leagues and eliminating interleague play will help improve the game.

 

 I agree with Philpug about interleague play.  The great thing about the WS was seeing two teams from different leagues face each other-teams who had not faced each other during the regular season.

The stats are the core of baseball. I could see going to a 154 DAY schedule with 8 mandatory double headers, not these day/night games but two consecutive ones. 

 

Before inter league play, we rooted for the league as much as the team. Now it is all blurred. So we also might as well make the rules the same in both leagues and add the DH to to the National League. 

 

Counting balls thrown to first add an interesting strategy to the game. Very intriguing and ads a whole new dynamic to the game. 

post #96 of 109
Why have the DH in the National league? It's better that at least one keeps it like it was.
If anything I'd go with getting rid of DH but it's an institution at this point and extends some players career. We need some where for Arod to go.

Counting throws to first gives too much advantage to the runner. Though it is an interesting idea. Enforce the time rules to throw and the batter's box. We should move to not letting them step out. We also don't need pitchers that take forever to throw.

What about outlaw shifts of players way out of position?

On check swings, why can't the batter appeal to the 1st or 3 rd base ump? Catcher can appeal but not batter? That's a rule against the offense again.
post #97 of 109
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I dislike NASCAR. I think it is both stupid and as boring as watching paint dry. I do not think that the powers that be in NASCAR should fundamentally alter the sport so that it begins to appeal to me. 

 

Imagine if they had to park the cars every time they wanted to show an ad.

post #98 of 109
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Why have the DH in the National league? It's better that at least one keeps it like it was.
If anything I'd go with getting rid of DH but it's an institution at this point and extends some players career. We need some where for Arod to go.

 

Yeah, I say leave it like it is.  There's SO much more strategy in the national league because of no DH.  Especially in the post season - whether to pinch hit and have to swap pitchers is a big part of the game.  Removing it just makes baseball more boring IMO.

post #99 of 109

Depends what kind of strategy you prefer, I guess...

NL: the strategy of asking whether to walk this catcher in order to strike out the pitcher?  

or to put in a pinch hitter so that the pitcher has to face a real batter.

 

AL: the strategy of how to pitch to a real batter. (preferred)

 

Last season pitchers hit .121

Last season AL pitchers having to hit in NL parks hit. .085

I'll take less of that, please.

 

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/71693338/

post #100 of 109

I've never liked the DH option.  Everybody that gets to bat should have to play on defense... and pitchers that throw at batters should have to stand in the batter's box or sit out the rest of the game.

post #101 of 109
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Depends what kind of strategy you prefer, I guess...

NL: the strategy of asking whether to walk this catcher in order to strike out the pitcher?  

or to put in a pinch hitter so that the pitcher has to face a real batter.

 

 

Yes, but the whole point is it's a balancing act because you can't just burn through your pitchers and bench the same way you can in the AL.

post #102 of 109
Do NL games take longer than AL games?
I can't see any series. consistently going longer than Yankees - Red Sox when both are decent teams. It's well over 3 hours. Put the likes of Josh Beckett on the mound, (slowest pitcher ever? yeah I know he's off eating fried chicken and beer in the clubhouse somewhere else now), then batters step out to adjust gloves, then he starts over. That's 1 1/2 minutes right there.
post #103 of 109
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Yes, but the whole point is it's a balancing act because you can't just burn through your pitchers and bench the same way you can in the AL.


Balancing act = what's the least sucky option I have to face this pitcher to score a run.

I'd rather see a real hitter have to drive the guy in.

 

But whatev's - this is just one of those differences of perspective that makes the sport fun.  

post #104 of 109
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Last season pitchers hit .121
Last season AL pitchers having to hit in NL parks hit. .085
I'll take less of that, please.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/71693338/

You've highlighted the reason why the idea of the DH came to be. The increase of offense and scoring that goes with the DH.
post #105 of 109
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Yeah, I say leave it like it is.  There's SO much more strategy in the national league because of no DH.  Especially in the post season - whether to pinch hit and have to swap pitchers is a big part of the game.  Removing it just makes baseball more boring IMO.


Do you mean boring like watching any pitcher flail away in the batter's box? or Do you mean boring like watching a front line starter being removed in the 5th inning for a pinch hitter? or Do you mean boring like watching a team intentionally walk the #8 batter to face the pitcher?

 

I guess you would miss that always exciting double switch;). That's big time Strategy.

 

Since the NL seems to think no DH is a better game, they should not be allowed to use it in AL stadiums. Now that would be interesting.

 

 

 

 

post #106 of 109
... well, baseball in Seattle is at least mildly interesting now that the M's aren't totally hapless.
post #107 of 109
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As a baseball fan and being from eastern PA, the Phillies are my team. For the past couple of years, they have been basement dwellers and not much fun to watch. While I am willing to wait for them to get better, what do I do in the meantime? Do I stay in the NL east and start following the Nats or (uhgg) the Mets? Now in Reno, we have the Giants close by but I was never a Giants fan although Jon Miller has always been one of my favorite radio guys from when he was with the Orioles, or just root for the Tigers, @Trekchick's team? But I do like having a National League team to root for. What shall I do? 


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post #108 of 109
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As a baseball fan and being from eastern PA, the Phillies are my team. For the past couple of years, they have been basement dwellers and not much fun to watch. While I am willing to wait for them to get better, what do I do in the meantime? Do I stay in the NL east and start following the Nats or (uhgg) the Mets? Now in Reno, we have the Giants close by but I was never a Giants fan although Jon Miller has always been one of my favorite radio guys from when he was with the Orioles, or just root for the Tigers, @Trekchick's team? But I do like having a National League team to root for. What shall I do? 


Being a Tiger's fan isn't always easy, especially since they tend to be matched up against the Giants or the Red Sox in the play offs and there are waaaaay too many Red Sox and Giants fans in our neck of the woods. 

 

But, Damn the Tigers are good!

post #109 of 109

I don't know what to tell you about who to follow, but the best thing going is just to go to games.  You could have a good time just enjoying baseball by making the rounds at stadiums around the west.  There are some really good ones.

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