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post #31 of 52
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This is exactly what I've run into working with foam liners over 20 years (Conformable, Head and Surefoot). The cuff bladder area doesn't go up as high as I want it to and really doesn't expand enough to get me where I want to be. And at least these three companies provide a fixed amount of foam so you are kind of stuck. And yes, compared to the stock liners and certainly my new Zip Fits they are not very warm. See if the Zips will work for you; I have the World Cup model which has even less volume than the Grand Prix and they still have a lot of material and support around the lower leg/calf. With a competent fitter you will be able to tell in the shop without having to commit to it. Check out their web site if you haven't already; the fitting process has its nuances but I will never go back to foam.

I had Langes. The first set were in a pair of WC140LF foams that I bought at the beginning of a season. The foaming worked well, and filled up all the obvious voids. The shells cracked in a little over a year, and Lange replaced them with a WC130LF foam, same year as the original pair, but apparently some of the liquid for the foaming had leaked or evaporated out of the bottles provided, so the foam didn't occupy as much of the voids, or provide as snug a fit as the first pair.

 

Seems to me a good boot fitter would have his own bulk supply of the 2-part foaming chemicals, and would be familiar with the proper amount of each to inject into a given bladder, but maybe the chemicals and volumes necessary vary too much from manufacturer to manufacturer to make this feasible? Anyway, I never thought I'd get as good a fit as I had in that set of WC140's, but then discovered intuition and dalbello, and have never looked back.

 

PS. The KR2 has two mounting positions for the ladder portion of the buckle on the upper cuff to accommodate skinny calves, and the instep cable has a second cut-out in the lower shell (under the cuff) to effectively shorten the cable, and accommodate lower insteps. Also, see my earlier post about the intuition powerwrap, or powerwrap plus for a warmer, lighter alternative to foam. (also potentially less messy)   

Funny. No, they don't have bulk chemicals. Good thing too. How many hazmat sites do we need?

It is an issue though - age of chemicals and also sometimes they just don't expand right.

The water based Boot Doctor foams which are softer are supposed to be more reliable and less toxic.

post #32 of 52

I've also got a skinny lower leg and a low volume foot all around.

In the past five years or so I've used my Zipfits in the original Krypton Pro's, Full Tilt Konflicts, Lange RS 130's (97mm) ,Tecnica Infernos and Nordica Patron Pro's. 

For me it's the Nordica all the way.  They have a nice combination of low instep, very good closure around the cuff and my ankles don't swim in them.

All of the others I listed seemed too big in at least one fit zone or there was something about the forward lean or ramp angle that didn't feel quite right. 

I'm picky but you have to be when you're all skin and bones. 

post #33 of 52
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People who sometimes earn their turns.

Seriously though, I'll bet (AND YOU'D LOSE) more than half the skiers here advocating plug boots and foam liners would be better served by a boot fitter that knows foot shapes and lasts, than how to grind a shell and foam a liner.

IMO, the latter is a back door way of correcting miscalculations made with the former.:bs::bs::bs:

 

You get a triple BS meter on this bit of brilliance! 

 

How did you come to this unsubstantiated conclusion. Do you have ANY evidence that this is even remotely backed up by any facts. 

 

Have you ever owned or skied in a plug boot or a plug boot with custom foam liners

 

I can guarantee that you are wrong. I've  owned tons of  non-plug boots over the last 51 seasons and none have come any where near the comfort, fit and performance of my Head Raptor 150's with Custom foam liners!

post #34 of 52
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People who sometimes earn their turns.

Seriously though, I'll bet (AND YOU'D LOSE) more than half the skiers here advocating plug boots and foam liners would be better served by a boot fitter that knows foot shapes and lasts, than how to grind a shell and foam a liner.

IMO, the latter is a back door way of correcting miscalculations made with the former.:bs::bs::bs:

 

You get a triple BS meter on this bit of brilliance! 

 

How did you come to this unsubstantiated conclusion. Do you have ANY evidence that this is even remotely backed up by any facts. 

 

Have you ever owned or skied in a plug boot or a plug boot with custom foam liners

 

I can guarantee that you are wrong. I've  owned tons of  non-plug boots over the last 51 seasons and none have come any where near the comfort, fit and performance of my Head Raptor 150's with Custom foam liners!

there are other solutions too... you don't need race boots, especially if you want comfort and warmth. 
Plug boots are great at what they do, but they are definitely not the best overall.

post #35 of 52
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You get a triple BS meter on this bit of brilliance! 

How did you come to this unsubstantiated conclusion. Do you have ANY evidence that this is even remotely backed up by any facts. 

Have you ever owned or skied in a plug boot or a plug boot with custom foam liners

I can guarantee that you are wrong. I've  owned tons of  non-plug boots over the last 51 seasons and none have come any where near the comfort, fit and performance of my Head Raptor 150's with Custom foam liners!
U mad bro?

I'd be too if it took me 51 years to find a boot that fit without a lot of fiddling around.

Guess I'm a little curious why a young man like yourself thinks he needs a 150 flex boot, but I'm sure your mad skillz are perfectly matched to your boots.
Edited by MT Skull - 6/23/14 at 11:08am
post #36 of 52
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U mad bro?

I'd be too if it took me 51 years to find a boot that fit without a lot of fiddling around.

Guess I'm a little curious why a young man like yourself thinks he needs a 150 flex boot, but (I'm sure your mad skillz are perfectly matched to your boots). You got it!

Apparently, you have perfect feet!:rolleyes 

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there are other solutions too... you don't need race boots, especially if you want comfort and warmth. 
Plug boots are great at what they do, but they are definitely not the best overall.

You get a quad BS meter:bs: :bs::bs::bs:

 

 

I am not mad, but totally baffled by a couple of know-it-alls, that have never skied with me and don't know how MY BOOTS WORK FOR ME! Basically both talkin' out of their derriere's

 

You two have no idea WTF you're talking about................................................FOR ME!

post #37 of 52
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U mad bro?

I'd be too if it took me 51 years to find a boot that fit without a lot of fiddling around.

Guess I'm a little curious why a young man like yourself thinks he needs a 150 flex boot, but I'm sure your mad skillz are perfectly matched to your boots.

YOU ANSWERED NONE OF THE QUESTIONS I POSED. JUST MORE BLOVIATING AND PONTIFICATING!

post #38 of 52
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YOU ANSWERED NONE OF THE QUESTIONS I POSED. JUST MORE BLOVIATING AND PONTIFICATING!
That's because I don't care what you might think of my experience or credentials.

The best skier on the internets skis KR 2's with intuitions.
I rest my case.
post #39 of 52
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U mad bro?

I'd be too if it took me 51 years to find a boot that fit without a lot of fiddling around.

Guess I'm a little curious why a young man like yourself thinks he needs a 150 flex boot, but (I'm sure your mad skillz are perfectly matched to your boots). You got it!

Apparently, you have perfect feet!:rolleyes 

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there are other solutions too... you don't need race boots, especially if you want comfort and warmth. 
Plug boots are great at what they do, but they are definitely not the best overall.

You get a quad BS meter:bs: :bs::bs::bs:

 

 

I am not mad, but totally baffled by a couple of know-it-alls, that have never skied with me and don't know how MY BOOTS WORK FOR ME! Basically both talkin' out of their derriere's

 

You two have no idea WTF you're talking about................................................FOR ME!

Here is a piece of advice, listen carefully.
Take your royal derriere up to Mt. Hood, go up the lifts, and dig a nice hole and burry yourself in it. Maybe you'll chill down a bit.
 

post #40 of 52
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That's because I don't care what you might think of my experience or credentials.

The best skier on the internets skis KR 2's with intuitions.
I rest my case.

Tell someone who cares!

post #41 of 52
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Here is a piece of advice, listen carefully.
Take your royal derriere up to Mt. Hood, go up the lifts, and dig a nice hole and burry yourself in it. Maybe you'll chill down a bit.
 

No interest in your out of ass comments! No chilling needed , Just keep bloviating, really entertaining!

post #42 of 52

And by the way to both yopu internet yokels,

 

I asked for no advice, never mentioned any boot problems I am experiencing.

 

So your invited ignorant advice is better saved for someone who asks for it!

 

After all the boot specialist who has been working on my boots for over 20 years certainly doesn't know as much as about what works for ME as a couple internet loud mouths. :rolleyes 

post #43 of 52
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Who cares about the weight of boot liners?
People who sometimes earn their turns.

Seriously though, I'll bet more than half the skiers here advocating plug boots and foam liners would be better served by a boot fitter that knows foot shapes and lasts, than how to grind a shell and foam a liner.

IMO, the latter is a back door way of correcting miscalculations made with the former.


If the "back door way of correcting miscalculations" is good enough for national team members, it's good enough for me.  It can partially correct errors due to using the wrong boot to begin with, but the results are much better if it is used with the proper boots to begin with.

post #44 of 52
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That's because I don't care what you might think of my experience or credentials.

The best skier on the internets skis KR 2's with intuitions.
I rest my case.

Tell someone who cares!

 

 

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Originally Posted by jzamp View Post
 

Here is a piece of advice, listen carefully.
Take your royal derriere up to Mt. Hood, go up the lifts, and dig a nice hole and burry yourself in it. Maybe you'll chill down a bit.
 

No interest in your out of ass comments! No chilling needed , Just keep bloviating, really entertaining!

 

 

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And by the way to both yopu internet yokels,

 

I asked for no advice, never mentioned any boot problems I am experiencing.

 

So your invited ignorant advice is better saved for someone who asks for it!

 

After all the boot specialist who has been working on my boots for over 20 years certainly doesn't know as much as about what works for ME as a couple internet loud mouths. :rolleyes 

GO away, just go. You are making yourself look like a fool.

 

This thread is about finding a solution to OP problem. 
Many have been suggested.
Nobody cares about your awesome HEAD 150s... it's completely irrelevant and idiotic to even bring it up, since the OP clearly states he is an ADVANCED skier, not an expert or racer.
You want to put an advance skier into plug boots? really? when there are TONS of other solutions which will be much better suited to the OP's needs? sure. Maybe give him a pair of FIS GS boards too. 

 

But clearly you can't seen past the the tip of you skis.

post #45 of 52
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GO away, just go. You are making yourself look like a fool.

 

This thread is about finding a solution to OP problem. 
Many have been suggested.
Nobody cares about your awesome HEAD 150s... it's completely irrelevant and idiotic to even bring it up, since the OP clearly states he is an ADVANCED skier, not an expert or racer.
You want to put an advance skier into plug boots? really? when there are TONS of other solutions which will be much better suited to the OP's needs? sure. Maybe give him a pair of FIS GS boards too. 

 

But clearly you can't seen past the the tip of you skis.


FIS GS Boards YES! They will take you to the next level as you really must ski them (advanced skier wanna be's, be carefull, they do bite if you can't ski).

 

All kidding aside, tight, warm, comfortable boot rock!  I'm of the group that would ski on stiff boots all day and enjoy them.  My current boot is a 130 and it is the softest boot that I've skied in oh so many years.

 

As to advise, A-man, you got my vote, you know your skis/equipment and what the top is skiing on, more importantly, you also know why and explain it well.

 

As I've said in an earlier post, post this in the Boot Guys thread for a clear answer as what solution may be best, and more so whom they can recommend that could solve your issues.

post #46 of 52
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GO away, just go. You are making yourself look like a fool.

 

This thread is about finding a solution to OP problem. 
Many have been suggested.
Nobody cares about your awesome HEAD 150s... it's completely irrelevant and idiotic to even bring it up, since the OP clearly states he is an ADVANCED skier, not an expert or racer.
You want to put an advance skier into plug boots? really? when there are TONS of other solutions which will be much better suited to the OP's needs? sure. Maybe give him a pair of FIS GS boards too. 

 

But clearly you can't seen past the the tip of you skis.

Aw, come on guys.  You may both be right .   After all, there is one custom manufacturer that has a clog as stiff as any plug (race) boot, but Daleboot is into a laterally race-stiff front clogs and a  softer forward  flex for the average skier. Not everyone agrees with this, but some think it makes a lot of sense.   No one buys a plug (race) boot without expecting some work done, and if it is comfortable off the rack the boot is likely too big or the person is lucky.  A laterally stiffer boot should perform better for almost any skier, right?  I am not suggesting the OP needs a plug boot by any means, just that it could be an option if the forward flex and angle isn't so radical that is destroys having a comfortable day on the slopes.  My wife did this years ago on a pair of Lange race boots (I forgot the model, and she no longer skis due to health reasons).  Her feet and calves are very narrow.  The plug boot was too stiff and was pitched too far forward.  So the Park City bootfitter popped a rivet, stuck in custom footbeds, did a little grinding (had to come back twice), and the boots were golden.  Several years later I ordered Daleboots and now buy into their laterally race boot stiff philosophy.  Plug boots can indeed be made comfortable if that is what the OP can fit into.

post #47 of 52
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GO away, just go. You are making yourself look like a fool.

 

This thread is about finding a solution to OP problem. 
Many have been suggested.
Nobody cares about your awesome HEAD 150s... it's completely irrelevant and idiotic to even bring it up, (Tsince the OP clearly states he is an ADVANCED skier, not an expert or racer.
You want to put an advance skier into plug boots? really? when there are TONS of other solutions which will be much better suited to the OP's needs? sure. Maybe give him a pair of FIS GS boards too. 

 

But clearly you can't seen past the the tip of you skis.

The point was NOT about my boots, of course you are such a petty ass, that is what you WOULD glean out of it! 

 

You fricking ninny, the point was the Booster strap.  Your compatriot went on a rampage about my boots AS DID YOU!  it was a totally incidentaL piece of information I included. i NEVER TOLD THE OP TO GET A PLUG BOOT! Custom Foam, you bet!

 

So you are totally and complelety off base....................to be expected from an ass talker!

post #48 of 52
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FIS GS Boards YES! They will take you to the next level as you really must ski them (advanced skier wanna be's, be carefull, they do bite if you can't ski).

 

All kidding aside, tight, warm, comfortable boot rock!  I'm of the group that would ski on stiff boots all day and enjoy them.  My current boot is a 130 and it is the softest boot that I've skied in oh so many years.

 

As to advise, A-man, you got my vote, you know your skis/equipment and what the top is skiing on, more importantly, you also know why and explain it well.

 

As I've said in an earlier post, post this in the Boot Guys thread for a clear answer as what solution may be best, and more so whom they can recommend that could solve your issues.

:beercheer:   Chief, I was not recommendeing a plug boot. I was saying a Booster strap under the cuff, over the tongue really helps with skinny lower legs. 

 

And I just relayed the store about Custom Foam liners. 

 

Apparently this challenged Skull and zamps male ego!!!!:D 

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GO away, just go. You are making yourself look like a fool.

 

This thread is about finding a solution to OP problem. 
Many have been suggested.
Nobody cares about your awesome HEAD 150s... it's completely irrelevant and idiotic to even bring it up, since the OP clearly states he is an ADVANCED skier, not an expert or racer.
You want to put an advance skier into plug boots? really? when there are TONS of other solutions which will be much better suited to the OP's needs? sure. Maybe give him a pair of FIS GS boards too. 

 

But clearly you can't seen past the the tip of you skis.

Aw, come on guys.  You may both be right .   After all, there is one custom manufacturer that has a clog as stiff as any plug (race) boot, but Daleboot is into a laterally race-stiff front clogs and a  softer forward  flex for the average skier. Not everyone agrees with this, but some think it makes a lot of sense.   No one buys a plug (race) boot without expecting some work done, and if it is comfortable off the rack the boot is likely too big or the person is lucky.  A laterally stiffer boot should perform better for almost any skier, right?  I am not suggesting the OP needs a plug boot by any means, just that it could be an option if the forward flex and angle isn't so radical that is destroys having a comfortable day on the slopes.  My wife did this years ago on a pair of Lange race boots (I forgot the model, and she no longer skis due to health reasons).  Her feet and calves are very narrow.  The plug boot was too stiff and was pitched too far forward.  So the Park City bootfitter popped a rivet, stuck in custom footbeds, did a little grinding (had to come back twice), and the boots were golden.  Several years later I ordered Daleboots and now buy into their laterally race boot stiff philosophy.  Plug boots can indeed be made comfortable if that is what the OP can fit into.

There's a lot that can be done to any boot, it's doesn't have to be one or the other. Depending on the needs and shape of the client you could go plug and soften it, you could go high performance and different liner, you could mix lowers and uppers from different flexes, and so on.
That is not what got me going with A**man
 

 
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People who sometimes earn their turns.

Seriously though, I'll bet (AND YOU'D LOSE) more than half the skiers here advocating plug boots and foam liners would be better served by a boot fitter that knows foot shapes and lasts, than how to grind a shell and foam a liner.

IMO, the latter is a back door way of correcting miscalculations made with the former.:bs::bs::bs:

 

You get a triple BS meter on this bit of brilliance! 

 

How did you come to this unsubstantiated conclusion. Do you have ANY evidence that this is even remotely backed up by any facts. 

 

Have you ever owned or skied in a plug boot or a plug boot with custom foam liners

 

I can guarantee that you are wrong. I've  owned tons of  non-plug boots over the last 51 seasons and none have come any where near the comfort, fit and performance of my Head Raptor 150's with Custom foam liners!

there are other solutions too... you don't need race boots, especially if you want comfort and warmth. 
Plug boots are great at what they do, but they are definitely not the best overall.

Please re read that. where are you talking about booster straps? 

Now look at the bolded part, am I saying you are wrong? am I calling you names? am I insulting in any way your skiing abilities? your knowledge? 
 

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GO away, just go. You are making yourself look like a fool.

 

This thread is about finding a solution to OP problem. 
Many have been suggested.
Nobody cares about your awesome HEAD 150s... it's completely irrelevant and idiotic to even bring it up, (Tsince the OP clearly states he is an ADVANCED skier, not an expert or racer.
You want to put an advance skier into plug boots? really? when there are TONS of other solutions which will be much better suited to the OP's needs? sure. Maybe give him a pair of FIS GS boards too. 

 

But clearly you can't seen past the the tip of you skis.

The point was NOT about my boots, of course you are such a petty ass, that is what you WOULD glean out of it! 

 

You fricking ninny, the point was the Booster strap.  Your compatriot went on a rampage about my boots AS DID YOU!  it was a totally incidentaL piece of information I included. i NEVER TOLD THE OP TO GET A PLUG BOOT! Custom Foam, you bet!

 

So you are totally and complelety off base....................to be expected from an ass talker!

It wasn't about YOUR fucking boots! You just went crazy on it.
All I said is you (in general) do not NEED plugs to be comfortable. It works for you (A**man), great. (btw if it took you 51 seasons to be comfortable you gotta question what/where you got your stuff...) 
The point of my post was to warn the OP not to jump carelessly onto the "plug" bandwagon.

Oh and not that it matters but I think that MTSkull has a point, not everybody in plugs need to be in them, a lot of people buy them because they are "plug" "WC" "super cool" boots... there are many other models that would probably work a lot better.

post #50 of 52
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If the "back door way of correcting miscalculations" is good enough for national team members, it's good enough for me.  It can partially correct errors due to using the wrong boot to begin with, but the results are much better if it is used with the proper boots to begin with.
Jesus Christ you guys are sensitive! I wasn't saying boot work isn't necessary or beneficial, just that there might be some boots that require less fiddling if you get the fit right to begin with (or as close to right as possible for your given foot shape).

I suggested one stock boot and liner that IME does a pretty good job of accommodating skinny lower legs and low insteps, as opposed to other's suggestions of plug boots and foam liners, and if you read back far enough, you'll see that I have some experience with both. I didn't mention my experience as a boot fitter, or the many knowledgeable boot fitters that I've learned from, I mentioned that I found foam liners to fit well, be cold, heavy, and to not always produce consistent fit results. That was based on my personal experience, not an opinion.

As entertaining as atomicman's meltdown has been, it really has nothing to do with my actual responses, and will likely prove much less beneficial in answering the Op's question.
post #51 of 52
A-man, it'd be nice if you'd stop calling people asses. And using the f-bomb. You've made a useful point but are now derailing the thread and poisoning the atmosphere.
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mod hat on

 

I'm locking this thread instead of issuing warnings and deleting posts with personal attacks and offensive language because it is too early in the morning to tell where to start and how to keep the good advice that is mixed in. Either that or I'm a lousy moderator. Take your pick, but please make it easier for me next time by attacking the ideas not the people.

 

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