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2013 Super 7 - Over the bars sensation?

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So I've been skiing on a pair of 2013 Super 7's.  195cm (the old kind with the metal, not the new version).  They're fun and damp and easy to ski in many conditions. Great in the trees. Not so great on icy hardpack, but that's no surprise!

 

My issue is that if I ski them in heavier powder or crud they really seem to prefer a stance where I lean back a bit and pressure my heels.  If I put some pressure on the tongue of my boot, it feels like I'm going to go over the handle bars.  If I transition at speed from a groomer to powder/crud the sensation is the same.  I for powder I used to ski on the Volkl Explosiv, Atomic Sugar Daddy, and Movement Goliath, no such issues.  Obviously those are traditional fat skis, not modern rockered things.

 

The skis are mounted on the line.  I'm 6'2", 240 pounds.  Skiing much slower and more casually than I used to due to 2 messed up knees.

 

Symptom of my weight?  Normal for this ski?  Mounted too far forward?  Or maybe I just ain't modern enough in my technique for these new fangled skis...

 

-Bruce

post #2 of 5

Just my guess but it could be the 'elf shoe' tip rocker on a lot of the 7 series. When it hits heavier snow with more resistance, the ski slows down dramatically, skier weight goes forward hence the over the bars feeling. I have read this can be a problem with these skis. The new Soul 7 is not the same. Your weight plus the fact the ski is relatively soft might exaggerate the condition somewhat.

Weighting back on the narrower tail sinks the tail and helps keep the tips up to help prevent that sudden speed reduction. 


Edited by Castle Dave - 5/27/14 at 2:02pm
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Dave, that's sounds very logical!  As a general purpose soft snow ski it's wider than one needs but performs really well.  It's only when the snow gets deeper and heavier (or with a bit of slab or crust, anything that provides resistance) and then I'm suffering and skiing like a rookie.

 

I did get a pm suggesting that -2 is a good mount point for the Super 7 and S7 for powder conditions.

 

I've seen the new Rossi skis, much less 'elf shoe' effect.

 

-Bruce

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Originally Posted by CanmoreBruce View Post
 

I did get a pm suggesting that -2 is a good mount point for the Super 7 and S7 for powder conditions.

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Mounting back would help for sure. The 7 series were at the apex of the extreme rocker design cycle and most of the newer powder and big mountain designs have little or no tail rocker (more support and rebound) and much less tip rocker. Some are also stiffer and some aren't. They are still very effective in powder but more versatile almost like the your old

Exploders, et al but better. Sounds to me like a good excuse for another pair of skis.

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Originally Posted by Castle Dave View Post
 

Sounds to me like a good excuse for another pair of skis.

 

Dave, I like the way you think!  I actually grabbed myself a pair of El Capo's at the tail end of the season.  Didn't get to try them in powder but the smoother rocker profile seems pretty bang on in mixed spring conditions.  But they are 'only' 107 underfoot, so I think I still have plenty of justification for something fatter :D

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