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post #31 of 55

Phil, how would the 98mm Kabookie factor into the equation? It's been said that ski is a lighter Bonafide, and SOME have also said it's a bit more compliant.  If the Bonafide is a "bit much" for some people, then how might the Kabookie vs NRGY 100 comparison shake out?


 

Thanks!



 

post #32 of 55

I would be very interested in hearing comment on short turn capability and ease with the NRGy100 vs. Blizzard Bonafide.To date, your review of the NRGy was  one of the most comprehensive ones online.Great job.Thanks

post #33 of 55
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Originally Posted by Gunnerbob View Post
 

Phil, how would the 98mm Kabookie factor into the equation? It's been said that ski is a lighter Bonafide, and SOME have also said it's a bit more compliant.  If the Bonafide is a "bit much" for some people, then how might the Kabookie vs NRGY 100 comparison shake out?


 

Thanks!



 

I don't find the Kabookie more compliant, but because of the lack of metal, it is not quite as smooth or quiet. 

 

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Originally Posted by snowskier07 View Post
 

I would be very interested in hearing comment on short turn capability and ease with the NRGy100 vs. Blizzard Bonafide.To date, your review of the NRGy was  one of the most comprehensive ones online.Great job.Thanks

The Nordica is easier and more fun at low speeds and shorter turns. Thank you for the complement. 

post #34 of 55
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The Nordica is easier and more fun at low speeds and shorter turns. Thank you for the complement. 

 

That is a ski I'd like to try some day.

 

BTW, Phil, TC complements you. What snowskier07 offered was a compliment. :) 

post #35 of 55
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That is a ski I'd like to try some day.

 

BTW, Phil, TC complements you. What snowskier07 offered was a compliment. :) 

 

Q, your commitment to grammatical exactitude is a compliment to you! -- and a complement to any rational being.

post #36 of 55

No worries, Phil also doesn't have the "its" vs "it's" down pat, but he darn sure knows his skis and that's what I'll compliment!   ;)

 

post #37 of 55
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No worries, Phil also doesn't have the "its" vs "it's" down pat, but he darn sure knows his skis and that's what I'll compliment!   wink.gif


 

I'll do that, too.
post #38 of 55

PhilPug:

 

Thanx a million for your insightful comments w/ The Bonafide's, Mantras.   I feel as you  went to all that trouble for little me!  I plan to demo both next winter and, if I can swing it, pick up a pair.  From what I can figure out the current Mantras are lousy on firm conditions but that isn't a factor for me ( even though I skied for many years on The Ice Coast.)

 

Gracias Amigo

post #39 of 55
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PhilPug:

 

Thanx a million for your insightful comments w/ The Bonafide's, Mantras.   I feel as you  went to all that trouble for little me!  I plan to demo both next winter and, if I can swing it, pick up a pair.  From what I can figure out the current Mantras are lousy on firm conditions but that isn't a factor for me ( even though I skied for many years on The Ice Coast.)

 

Gracias Amigo

I wouldn't say the Mantra is lousy in firm conditions just that the others are a better, this is where camber comes into play. 

post #40 of 55

I've not skied the new Manrtra so take this with a grain of salt.  I demoed the Shiro which also has the ELP full rocker like the Mantra and they have a "greesy" feel that is just a lot different than a cambered ski like the Bonafide.  If you like that loose feel then go Mantra.

post #41 of 55
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Mmmmmm.................girish:)

 

Mmmmm indeed! I have a pair of Nordica Girish's that I hope will last forever. Best skis they ever made. Ugly graphics, great ski.

post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by JRO92009 View Post
 

...and while we're adding skis like the SR 95, your addition of the FX 94 and/or 104 for reference would be very much appreciated for context.  Especially for those of us who haven't been able to demo the MX98.  As an MX83 owner, the 98 sounds interesting but also perhaps a bit demanding?

 

One other thing, I was wondering if you could expand a bit more on your comments about the H&B:  "The NRGy is NOT the Hell & Back, it is closer in balanced flex of the Enforcer but with more of freeride shape with a relaxed sidecut."  Does this mean that you feel that the H&B does not have a balanced flex and has a traditional feeling sidecut?

 

Thanks for putting in the time on all of these reviews, Phil.  Your insights are very much appreciated.

 

j

MX98 - most impressive ski I have tried to date. My other favorite ski is my MX83 that you also own. In short if you enjoy the MX83 and don't find it too demanding just stick to the same size (+1cm of MX98) and you should be in a very happy place! Lighter skiers than me (I'm ~190lbs) were on the same 184 and commenting on how manageable it was. So while it has a ton of HP its is very much like the MX83 in that you don't have to be on it all the time or it wont send you into the next dimension if you get in the backseat. If your still worried demo or since you like Kastle FX104 is the next logical more finesse oriented option. Dawgcatching did a nice review of skis in this width as well you should check or head to his website.

post #43 of 55

I just skied my new Hell and Back's picked up from StartHaus at the end of last season. Skied east coast early season ice in NORTH CAROLINA, and they handled great. Can only imagine how awesome they will be out West!

post #44 of 55

Just tried out my new NRGy 100's yesterday.  In a word: WOW!  Very impressive ski. Only caveat - didn't have any real powder to test their deep snow capabilities.

post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by JRO92009 View Post
 

...and while we're adding skis like the SR 95, your addition of the FX 94 and/or 104 for reference would be very much appreciated for context.  Especially for those of us who haven't been able to demo the MX98.  As an MX83 owner, the 98 sounds interesting but also perhaps a bit demanding?

 

One other thing, I was wondering if you could expand a bit more on your comments about the H&B:  "The NRGy is NOT the Hell & Back, it is closer in balanced flex of the Enforcer but with more of freeride shape with a relaxed sidecut."  Does this mean that you feel that the H&B does not have a balanced flex and has a traditional feeling sidecut?

 

Thanks for putting in the time on all of these reviews, Phil.  Your insights are very much appreciated.

 

j

Hey JRO92009 if you like and can handle the MX83's the MX98's will be your cup of tea and are natural addition to your quiver (this was what I just did myself and was seriously considering a FX94 or Bonafide but after demoing got hooked on their power and precision. Like the MX83's they are really versatile and have you searching for what they don't do well (others may disagree especially those that like a new school feel or something really playful). If you don't have a wider pow ski the FX104 is also a great option as well, it blends the float of something wider like a BMX108 and an MX98  but is easier to ski and still good on the groomed with more bite and sidecut than most skis its width. FX104 is also easier to ski especially in difficult snow conditions and trees than the MX83 or MX98. It isn't quite as powerful but more than enough for most mortals. Don't believe Phil has ridden the newer FX104. He was not a fan of the original which was more of a gun. Dawgcatching has some good write ups the Kastle's you mention and the SR95.

post #46 of 55

Whoops must be really tired replied to JRO92009 twice! :eek

Be great to hear some other folks opinions of skis in the 100mm category as the season progresses to compliment Phils kind review

post #47 of 55

Thanks so much for you input.  I ended up picking up a pair of FX104 and have really fallen in love with them.  I agree with all of your comments about them being a little looser or easy to manage than the MX series.  I would go as far as to say that the new version is much more playful than the old one.  I still love my MX83's, and together they make a great quiver, but I have to say that more often than not, I'm grabbing the FX104's and leaving the MX83's at home.  I never thought I'd be saying that!

post #48 of 55
I just bought the Volkl Mantra's in 177 with Marker Griffon demos TODAY. I had never skied them before and bought them because I needed a ski in this category, found a hot demo deal at the ski hill and saw this review on Blistergear: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2014-2015-volkl-mantra-2. I ski at Fernie Alpine Resort in Canada and I was really surprised by your comments. It is hard here right now - really hard. Boiler plate in lots of places. Ice moguls, the kind where you have a hard time finding a way to stop or even slow down. I found these skis outstanding at holding an edge in these conditions. I really found they were great. I ski 130 days a year plus. My problem is I have bought too many soft snow skis and we never have soft snow anymore. The comparison ski I was skiing on to compare is the Blizzard Cochise. The 2015 Mantra is sure a lot better than the Cochise on hard conditions is all I can say. I find it amazing you suggest that these Mantras are not good on hard conditions and that you would need a special hard snow ski along with them. It bodes well for getting these on soft conditions though.
post #49 of 55
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Originally Posted by ChrisCrash View Post
 

Hey JRO92009 if you like and can handle the MX83's the MX98's will be your cup of tea and are natural addition to your quiver (this was what I just did myself and was seriously considering a FX94 or Bonafide but after demoing got hooked on their power and precision. Like the MX83's they are really versatile and have you searching for what they don't do well (others may disagree especially those that like a new school feel or something really playful). If you don't have a wider pow ski the FX104 is also a great option as well, it blends the float of something wider like a BMX108 and an MX98  but is easier to ski and still good on the groomed with more bite and sidecut than most skis its width. FX104 is also easier to ski especially in difficult snow conditions and trees than the MX83 or MX98. It isn't quite as powerful but more than enough for most mortals. Don't believe Phil has ridden the newer FX104. He was not a fan of the original which was more of a gun. Dawgcatching has some good write ups the Kastle's you mention and the SR95.

 

its easier than the FX94 as well. its just a shame this ski wasn't a 180, its a fantastic ski..... I have the 174 and its just a tad too short.  (hint, hint, its going up for sale....)  

post #50 of 55
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its easier than the FX94 as well. its just a shame this ski wasn't a 180, its a fantastic ski..... I have the 174 and its just a tad too short.  (hint, hint, its going up for sale....)  

Get the 184... You'll adjust. smile.gif
post #51 of 55
Or just buy the new 105 in av181😃
post #52 of 55
Sadly I only ski 12 - 15 days a year, and don't claim to know all the technical stuff mentioned by Philbug. I was looking for something very different from my old Volkl P40 energY F1s. I wanted a ski that handles as many eastern conditions as possible. Yesterday I set myself up at Sugarloaf to demo as many options as possible. Also wanted something completely contrary to my GS skis. Going in I was hoping to demo Soul 7s even though I've been told I wouldn't like them because I come in at 240 lbs. I also wanted to try the Volkl 84 RTMs. In the end my first pair out where the Nrgy 100 185cm. I was a little nervous never being on anything wider than my GS skis, but half way down the first run on rather hard slightly corny conditions I found myself leaning on these skis as hard as I could and loving every moment. Other than the sound I could barely tell the difference between scratch in the middle and the built up stuff on the sides. Over the course of the next four runs I kept looking for more and more crud to go through and not having any trouble with any of it. Runs 6-8 were on (short for me at 6'2") Volkl 84 xtm 171s, they didn't have anything longer. After three runs, I felt little difference then from my regular GS skis. Nice edges though. The next two runs where on Blizzard Bonafides 187s which I found very tiring. Keep in mind I was shooting these runs as hard as I could putting in as many turns as I could. Yes I was tired hungry and a little dehydrated, but I wanted to revisit and see how the Nrgy 100s felt after all of this. I was able to easily manage five more runs on the Nrgys, the last two somewhat toe curling, but a lot of fun. After 14 hard nonstop runs and numerous climbs back up the hill from the ski shop at Sugarloaf (those of you who know) I found myself at The Bag reading this review and comments of which became the final straw. Comments like "friendly ride" were so true. I bought the barely used demos Nrgy 100s only wishing I had at least tried the 90s that I hadn't known were available, alas I had already changed and put everything in the car a quarter mile away. In the end I was thinking that the extra 10 might help on the occasional powder we get here in the East. If I can replace my 15 year old Volkl GSs, I feel I'll have all that I need for two very different but easy choices for a days skiing in the East, ripping the groomers on one, crud and everything else on the other. This is not to say the 100s weren't a lot of fun on the groomers. At a guess, because I haven't skied them --- someone in the 180 lb or less might find the 90s slightly more versatile than the 100s. Again, that's just a guess.
post #53 of 55
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Maybe volkl should have still produced limited quantities of the cambered Mantra and renamed the new one. 

 

Perhaps they are (though flipping your suggestion on names)... is the 2016 Volkl 90Eight a 2014 Mantra in disguise?   

post #54 of 55

Don't think so?  The 90Eight apparently doesn't have metal, I suspect it's a very different animal than the current Mantra?

post #55 of 55
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Maybe volkl should have still produced limited quantities of the cambered Mantra and renamed the new one. 

 

Perhaps they are (though flipping your suggestion on names)... is the 2016 Volkl 90Eight a 2014 Mantra in disguise?   

 

 

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Don't think so?  The 90Eight apparently doesn't have metal, I suspect it's a very different animal than the current Mantra?

I haven't skied the 90Eight yet, most of the demos were pulled back off the racks before testing, I am not sure why but kudos to Volkl for net getting a product out that wasn't ready for prime time. I DID ski the 100Eight and that was fantastic ad was very impressed with that. I expect the 90Eight to be as good and a contender in the segment. 

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