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post #31 of 59

Just buy used to find out if you like them or not. I did and I do.

 

I have seen the Gorsuch rental fleet and the ones I saw were in great shape. 

 

Good luck.

post #32 of 59
It was a generic comment. Not looking for skis that long or narrow.
post #33 of 59

MARider,

 

Welcome to the parent trap. When outfitting a family, its hard to indulge for yourself. I have demo'd a Kastle ski at Loon before. I got them from Fire on the Mountain in Dover NH.  Your right that they are a bit hard to find. There is NE rep for Kastle who will hook you up with some demo's. I don't know his name but the Dover shop would. The rep travels to different mountains in NE and will let skiers there try whats in his van.

 

Since they are high end skis, the shops near where high end (meaning $$) skiers go will have them. The shops I know of are mostly in VT. Okemo has a nearby shop that demo's them, same with Stowe and Killington. Other than that, look on their website.

 

I don't own any, but my son owns a pair of Stokli's. He loves them and they are well made skis. I bought them as unused demo's for $400 with bindings. Last years ski, but a good deal. That is how you can afford these types of skis.

 

One thought on demo'ing is I like doing it, but have to wait a year to find a ski I like at a price I can afford. Otherwise, buying used skis at the beginning of the season can be cost effective.

 

Good luck

post #34 of 59
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Why look elsewhere when you have it under your nose...biggrin.gif
http://www.epicski.com/t/127294/fs-2014-kastle-mx83-183-cm-marker-k12-cti

Beautiful skis. I am leaning towards the mx88s, but if I was going to try the mx83s, I would be interested in them.
post #35 of 59
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Beautiful skis. I am leaning towards the mx88s, but if I was going to try the mx83s, I would be interested in them.

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Edited by NayBreak - 5/16/14 at 7:51pm
post #36 of 59
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$300 is more than my season locker. That's a huge deal. It's nice it's pocket change for some of you, but not for me.

3x as much as mine. Not pocket change. But was trying to make a different point, about what we spend money on, how smaller casual expenditures add up. Is it worth giving up that Sunday latte at the local Peets/Starbucks/SBC/Dunkin that adds up to $250 a year? Or developing a taste for non-microbrewery beer that's $200 cheaper per year? Or that new parka we lust after that's $350 on that great sale? I could make a decent case it's not, if we really enjoy that latte, or think that another brand of ski is close enough in performance, or have gotten tired of jokes about our parka.

 

But unless we're living out of a shopping cart, $200-300 more for skis that we flip every few years isn't analogous to buying a Porsche. Not about what we can't afford or living large; about what we're willing to tradeoff. Life is full of tradeoffs, just like skiing...


Edited by beyond - 5/16/14 at 8:02pm
post #37 of 59
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MARider,

Welcome to the parent trap. When outfitting a family, its hard to indulge for yourself. I have demo'd a Kastle ski at Loon before. I got them from Fire on the Mountain in Dover NH.  Your right that they are a bit hard to find. There is NE rep for Kastle who will hook you up with some demo's. I don't know his name but the Dover shop would. The rep travels to different mountains in NE and will let skiers there try whats in his van.

Since they are high end skis, the shops near where high end (meaning $$) skiers go will have them. The shops I know of are mostly in VT. Okemo has a nearby shop that demo's them, same with Stowe and Killington. Other than that, look on their website.


Good luck

Great--i will hunt around at these places. All of the NH dealers that show up when you search on the Kastle site now no longer carry Kastle 😔

Thanks!
post #38 of 59
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Great--i will hunt around at these places. All of the NH dealers that show up when you search on the Kastle site now no longer carry Kastle 😔

Thanks!

If one goes to Aspen home to Chris Davenport, the racks are almost all white Kastles with different color tip inserts.

 

When I saw this, I thought how many of these (let's call them upscale) skiers are willing to sell them for a song to make room for next year's pair.

http://rockies.craigslist.org/spo/4437321631.html

 

Many of these skis were babied by posers out to be seen rather than really working the ski so they are usually cherry.  I'm not saying this is true for all Aspen buy a new pair every year skier, but I'd bet the odds are they are well kept and little used.

post #39 of 59
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If one goes to Aspen home to Chris Davenport, the racks are almost all white Kastles with different color tip inserts.

 

When I saw this, I thought how many of these (let's call them upscale) skiers are willing to sell them for a song to make room for next year's pair.

http://rockies.craigslist.org/spo/4437321631.html

 

Many of these skis were babied by posers out to be seen rather than really working the ski so they are usually cherry.  I'm not saying this is true for all Aspen buy a new pair every year skier, but I'd bet the odds are they are well kept and little used.

And it says a lot about where I ski as I have never even seen a pair of Kastles lol.  And even funnier is that I emailed that guy in CO last week asking about his skis.  I never got a reply : (

post #40 of 59

MArider, if you go to Craigslist url above, there is also a LX pair for sale. Not much info, though.

post #41 of 59
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I think @beyond might even have been too conservative on his point. If you know what you want and are very patient and very persistent, there are deals to be found at essentially $0 more than comparable in-demand models from other brands. NayBreak's offer just above is a case in point. But if you want them yesterday, or just can't be bothered checking in on your searches every few days for months at a time, you are definitely SOL, simply because the number of units floating around is small. Sometimes I suspect that half the Kastles being skied in the US right now have gone through this board at one time or another. 

 

To the OP: Last fall there was a Kastle tent at Sunday River during their big demo day around Thanksgiving. Not sure who the local dealer was who sponsored that, if any. Typically it's the on-mountain shop. I have definitely seen Kastles at Sport Thoma in Bethel on the way up to the access road. They had a pair of 12-13 LXs, brand new with bindings, for $600 at one point last December.

Small world--Sport Thoma in Lincoln is where we get all of our race equipment.  Unfortunately they have stopped carrying Kastle.  The owner is going to see if he can get me pair of MX88s--although not likely at the price he could offer if they were sitting on a rack display :)

 

As for persistence, I am right there with you.  I am so persistent, out of necessity, that I am shopping for skis now, even though the season has been done for only a month and the new season is months away!  I check the web, ebay, and all craigslists (local and nationwide), here on epic, and a few other forums, every single day.  Last year, when I made up my mind to buy my RTM84s, I looked on craigslist starting in March and checked every single day.  I ended up finding a pair of 181s, brand spanking new, for sale for $400.  I offered the guy $300 and he took it.  Well worth my effort!  : )  If only I loved them....

 

The search continues.....

Sport Thoma in Lincoln told me this spring they will be carrying Kastle next season.  

post #42 of 59
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Sport Thoma in Lincoln told me this spring they will be carrying Kastle next season.  

That is funny to hear.  I spoke to them last week and they mentioned they stopped carrying Kastle--made it sound like something they just stopped this year (they are still listed on Kastle's site as a dealer.  I am hoping to talk with the owner this weekend if we end up camping in the mountains.  Good news--thanks for passing along!

post #43 of 59
For sale: 187 MX108 w/916's@315. $500/shipped.



50 days, mostly spent in the rack at Bonnie's in Aspen. Some slight scratches and a small caviar stain.
post #44 of 59
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Sport Thoma in Lincoln told me this spring they will be carrying Kastle next season.  

That is funny to hear.  I spoke to them last week and they mentioned they stopped carrying Kastle--made it sound like something they just stopped this year (they are still listed on Kastle's site as a dealer.  I am hoping to talk with the owner this weekend if we end up camping in the mountains.  Good news--thanks for passing along!

 

Post what you hear.  They must be going back and forth on this.

post #45 of 59

sport thoma had kastle line at their Ragged Mountain demo day in the spring 2014.   fyi

post #46 of 59
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sport thoma had kastle line at their Ragged Mountain demo day in the spring 2014.   fyi

Was in Sport Thoma (Lincoln shop) yesterday and they are indeed going to start carrying Kastle again after many years away from doing so.  They will have 3-4 different skis (but definitely the MX88).

post #47 of 59
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Was in Sport Thoma (Lincoln shop) yesterday and they are indeed going to start carrying Kastle again after many years away from doing so.  They will have 3-4 different skis (but definitely the MX88).


That is excellent news. I love that shop and bought my MX78s from them, but they dropped the line by the time I went looking for some FX94s. They told me that they just weren't selling I heard Kastle had some issues with their old east coast rep and I saw them disappear from a couple of places. I met the new rep last fall and he seems to be hard at work.

post #48 of 59
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If $300 is like giving blood, it's the wrong sport...


Don't get me wrong, I'd probably own a pair of FX 94/104's or an MX 98 if I 'needed' them at the moment, but while skiing is expensive, many many skiers don't and can't buy new gear, afford trips to destination resorts, etc... Yet they keep at it, even of it's in their Carharts. If $300 is chump change, consider yourself fortunate.
post #49 of 59

Holy bump! But look, get my arguments right, lose the cherry picking:

 

$300 is not chump change. $300 is not trivial. I never said it was. Rather I offered two arguments. The first was based on a premise is that we get to that $300 though the accumulation of many tiny decisions about small money that really are chump change/discretionary. Thus my example about Dunkin' Donuts. The argument is about how we choose to spend small amounts of money that add up, not about the sum being small. And I allowed as how for most, that daily coffee or the weekend movie or lunch at the slopes is more important to the pursuit of happiness than a particular brand of skis. For some, it would be worth fixing that coffee at home, and accumulating the $300. Of course, being the people we are, and the culture we live in, we'll not even notice the savings per week, and we'll sure not bank it. But it's real, and it's not giving blood. 

 

My second argument was about that relative impact of that $300. My premise was that skiing is a very expensive sport, even if we do not go to destination resorts (which I didn't mention) or wear this season's hot new look. It's somewhere south of owning a sailboat or horse, but well north of most other sports I know or have heard of. So for the average skier, who works in a city well away from the nearest mountain - and we all hope for the sake of the sport, brings a family to ski - that $300 is a small piece of the total costs of travel, lodging, and so on. Doesn't mean they're rich, or that it's chump change, just that they've chosen to put a larger absolute amount of discretionary income into skiing from a larger income pot, rather than to live near a mountain, work in less well paying jobs, but put a smaller serving from a smaller pot into skiing. Obviously, Epic has a weirdly high proportion of members who have intentionally shaped their lives around being able to ski while earning a typical or slightly below average income. But that doesn't mean the relative proportions are all that much different. Or that even if they are, our POV's are generalizable to who skis and why. 

 

Another third way to look at it is how that $300 compares to what we spend for other items. So it's 1/2 to 2/3 of a typical monthly payment on a new car, say. But for some reason we seem to weigh a tiny discretionary cost put toward skis way more than we weigh a far larger discretionary cost like spending an extra $5,000 on the model of a car we want. What's that, you say, it's different because I need a car; skis are a luxury.

 

Really? Then how many of you out there meet your need with the cheapest car made? If you do, then congrats, you all drive Nissan Versas. No, you say, I went for a Toyota Yaris; it's $3,000 more but I like Toyota's. Or I went for a Jeep Patriot, couple of K north of the Yaris, because I needed the space in back for my ski gear; I hate roof boxes. More bang for the buck. Get the drift? You didn't need anything else to get from A to B than the Versa with a roof box and snow tires. (Or a beater with 150,000 mi that's a lot cheaper to keep running, even with repairs, and has a smaller carbon footprint if you include production, than your cool new ski car bought on a bank loan for 6 years.) You wanted another model that cost $5K more because it had something going on you liked, and you rationalized the extra cost from a personal value into a need. All fine, but why is that extra $5K so worth it, and the $300 for the skis, so not? In both cases, you're overshooting need value because you want something beyond it, and then rationalizing the difference. 

 

All of which comes to a similar conclusion: Kastle's value to some is well worth the extra $300, to many others, not so much. Not about chump change, not about blood, not about need. 

post #50 of 59
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For sale: 187 MX108 w/916's@315. $500/shipped.



50 days, mostly spent in the rack at Bonnie's in Aspen. Some slight scratches and a small caviar stain.


MX108's are so bomber, but in the east they'd be a REAL handful, particularly in 188.

 

I have two pairs, and when it's manky snow, they get picked out from the quiver even though they're the oldest skis I have. Unfreakingstoppable.

 

WB quiver:

 

 

SLC selection (Atomic Access and Nordica Patron's (thanks Phil) missing from picture):

 

 

To the OP - you can't go wrong with the MX series. At all. Don't bother with the other Kastle's (apart from the FX), the MX is the way to go for the east. I use the 88's for hard days, and the 108's for other.

post #51 of 59

"To the OP - you can't go wrong with the MX series. At all. Don't bother with the other Kastle's (apart from the FX), the MX is the way to go for the east. I use the 88's for hard days, and the 108's for other."

 

Oh, I kinda like my RX's.

post #52 of 59

Snofun3,

 

What Ski Logiks are those and what do you think of them?

post #53 of 59
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Snofun3,

 

What Ski Logiks are those and what do you think of them?

 

Rock Star. Not impressed. Will be selling early next season.

post #54 of 59

MX83 sounds like what you should get.  Also Head i. Supershape Titan, and skilogik front burner look good on paper for your requirements, judging from your posts. 

post #55 of 59

As a jong, I usually skip the Kastle threads, but I will say when I was looking for a firm snow biased ski, I really liked Dawg's review of the Elan Amphibio 88 xti.  I never get to demo the skis I buy, rather I just do my homework and then buy them at seasons end on sale.  I scored my pair for about $550 with the integrated bindings, which is a steal for that ski.  I skied them a bunch last season and love those skis.  Read up on them, as I am sure they are right in there with the MX88.

post #56 of 59
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As a jong, I usually skip the Kastle threads, but I will say when I was looking for a firm snow biased ski, I really liked Dawg's review of the Elan Amphibio 88 xti.  I never get to demo the skis I buy, rather I just do my homework and then buy them at seasons end on sale.  I scored my pair for about $550 with the integrated bindings, which is a steal for that ski.  I skied them a bunch last season and love those skis.  Read up on them, as I am sure they are right in there with the MX88.

 

I tried the Amphibios during the Whistler demo days at the end of '13 season, and to me they're not. At all. Only thing I liked less was the Dynastar Cham, which is a well known love-or-hate ski.

post #57 of 59

Cool thing about any piece of sports equipment, is give it to 3 people to try out and all will have different opinions.  Maybe some general agreements, but still differences.  If you care, look at this review from Dawg:  http://www.epicski.com/t/116001/kastle-mx83-and-elan-amphibio-88xti-2-very-good-skis-comparison-video-review

So when I say the 88 xti"s are right in there with the MX88, that is a general and over all opinion.  Both skis are different from each other.  But both get the job done, in similar conditions, very well and that information was the OP's original question.

Just this jongs 2 cents.  Besides, I hate skiing on the same equipment as the masses.

 

"I can do a quick comparison though, having skied the MX88 quite a lot since it's inception (we were the first retailer on the West Coast to pick up Kastle, back when some shops now selling them were po-poing the line).  Keep in mind that the MX88 is a little too stiff and longish for me as an all-mountain ski for my size.  Yes, I can ski it at insane speeds in junky snow, but it isn't as quick as a ski in a better length and flex for me, like the FX94. 

 

Crud: MX88 is a bit smoother in crud, a touch more stable.  Overall snow feel is livelier on the Elan, it being a bit softer.  Elan is also a bit quicker to come around.  For skiing bigger turns at speed, slight edge to the MX88; if looking for a turnier ski, something like a REV 85, the Elan is more in that feel. 

 

Groomers: for bombing GS turns, the MX88 gets the nod.  For edge grip, probably a wash; perhaps a slight nod to the MX88 on bulletproof ice, although I haven't skied both there back to back.  As a carver, the Elan is quicker and has more power tip and tail, as well as more shape. It skis with more energy, whereas the MX88 feels more like a narrower big-mountain ski, so more damp but with less pop finishing the turn.  The way I like to ski groomers, I would give the Elan the slight edge. 

 

New snow: The Elan feels a little floatier in the tip, as the flex is softer there. 

 

Bumps: The Elan is a little more forgiving in the tail, the Kastle feels less hooky, so pretty much a wash". 

 

From the OP's original comments, I think the 88 xti would be better for: "We spend a lot of time in the woods/bumps/varied terrain free skiing with the racers as part of their training.  So having a ski on hand that is better suited to this type of terrain would be great".

post #58 of 59
Thread Starter 

Not to dig up an old thread (especially seeing that its mine) but I wanted to thank everyone here again for their help.  

 

I mentioned in my post on May 16th that I would be persistent in searching for a pait of MX88s.  Since that post, I have looked every single day:   web, craigslist, ebay etc.  Anytime I drove by a new local shop, I would pop in "just in case".  

 

Anyway, I found a pair last week on ebay, a used, but in good shape, pair of 2012/2013 178s.  Won the auction last night and just paid.  Should have them here in a week or so!  

 

Thanks again everyone!  

 

post #59 of 59

Glad to hear. 

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