Originally Posted by Ghost
So long as it's summer and there is no skiing to be had, I'll share two other faults about epic.
1) the myth that folks had to spend years skiing on groomers before they had the skill to ski off-piste without struggling; this is just self-flattery. Sure folks fell a lot for their first few days off-piste, and sure it took them a while to be expert skiers, but many folks enjoyed off-piste (as in not marked on a trail map, seldom skied, and never groomed) skiing in their first season on skis.
2) The misrepresentation of someones argument proposing that hard-snow skis are the prefered tool for hard-snow skiing as an argument that soft-snow skis are not the prefered tool for soft-snow skiing.
I don't think #1 is a majority argument- it certainly is not what I believe. In fact, this is exactly why I get really exasperated with people turning up their noses at people skiing fatter skis, on groom, with less than perfect technique- the implication there is that the "correct" way to ski is to spend years on the groom to learn how to make perfect turns that will serve one off piste on those skinny skis. In my eyes, it is much better to put people into a position to go for it, and no, it doesn't take years, just a willingness to fall and try to learn.
For what it is worth, at this point I've spent about half my life skiing straight skis and half modern. From time to time I still take straight skis out, and not for just one run. I think I have a good grasp of the performance envelope, and I don't think it took years to go off piste, just falls and learning how to move the skis without rotating out of the bindings. At the same time, I'm not going to listen to people talking about carving 45* powder slopes on straight skis without jump turns. It just did not happen.
This doesn't mean it takes perfect skills to ski off piste on skinny stuff, but it takes better skills than a ski more purposefully designed for the job.
2. This is another argument that is not being made. I don't see many people skiing with fat skis on their feet and skinny skis on their pack, so they can switch out when they hit snow better suited for the other ski. When somebody makes a comment about how dumb it is to see fat skis on groomed snow (what I call the "tips flapping in the wind" statement because it usually includes that phrase), the part that stands out as stupid to me is that the person witnessing the fat skis on groom doesn't know what that skier was just skiing, where they will use those fat skis tomorrow, or how much time they spend on groom snow vs. off piste. Reminds me of the guy chronicled in the TGR gaper thread- October at Loveland, guy is laughing at the person on the chair in front of him for bringing a pair of Obsetheds to the WROD. The person skiing on the Obsetheds was in fact Seth Morrison. Pretty sure he knows what skis he would like to have on his feet.
When people argue these statements, they aren't saying hard snow skis don't work better on hard snow, they are ridiculing the person making the argument because they presume to know better than the skier what skis belong on their feet, while not really knowing anything about where and what they ski or want to ski.