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Anyone use Sidecut file and diamond stone guides?

post #1 of 23
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Came across Sidecut file and diamond guides online and wondering if anyone has any experience with them. Looking at them as an alternative to SVST stainless guides. Big plus for the Sidecut is availability in Canada -for SVST have to order from US and pay $$ shipping to Canada.

File guide with clamp and stainless plate http://www.sidecut.com/miva5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=sidecut&Product_Code=FGWC_TC&Category_Code=FG

Diamond guide with stainless platehttp://www.sidecut.com/miva5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=sidecut&Product_Code=DGWC92_94&Category_Code=DG

 

Any opinions? Thanks.

post #2 of 23

Don't bother with the diamond guide, unless you want to use it for on-hill touch-ups.

 

The file guides are very nice, one of the best benefits is that you can buy the sidewall planer kit that bolts onto the guide - essentially giving you two tools in one.

 

The only drawback to sidecut vs svst, is that the glide plate is narrower on the sidecut, therefore a little less stability while performing edge tuning..

post #3 of 23
I can't see a reason to have a different guide for the file and your diamond stone. It's just a way to not have the exact same angle between the two and end up with a dull edge.
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
 

Don't bother with the diamond guide, unless you want to use it for on-hill touch-ups.

 

The file guides are very nice, one of the best benefits is that you can buy the sidewall planer kit that bolts onto the guide - essentially giving you two tools in one.

 

The only drawback to sidecut vs svst, is that the glide plate is narrower on the sidecut, therefore a little less stability while performing edge tuning..

 

Thanks Chenzo. Are the diamond guides crap or more of a duplication? By the looks of them they look like they would maintain a very stable angle if swapping grits or going from file guide to diamond guide. Looking at potentially getting extra guides so I don't have to switch files/stones all the time and speed up the process (doing 6-8 pairs of skis a week, most of it race tuning). Originally I was planning on ordering several of stainless plate SVST guides of the same angles for the same reason.

 

I have a good planer so would skip that option.  Are the built in clamps on the file guides any good, or is the bare guide the best bet -I've been using long files and moonflex stones and a mini Pony quick clamp as an alternative to spring clamp with my current guides.

 

Any Idea of how much narrower the plates are -that could be the biggest issue.

 

While I'm at it, are you familiar with their Sidecut diamond stones. I've been happy with the moonflex in that they cut well, are durable and do not load up badly, but I wonder if the stiff backing plates of the Sidecuts might be a bonus?  

post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I can't see a reason to have a different guide for the file and your diamond stone. It's just a way to not have the exact same angle between the two and end up with a dull edge.


Thanks sibhusky. That's the conundrum I'm looking at.  I'd like to be able to keep a guide set up with a file, and a couple of guides set up with different grits of stones, but the guides have to be accurate so you are actually polishing the whole edge. From what I've heard I think the SVST guides would be up to the task, but I don't know much about the Sidecut tools.  I know its not a huge time saving switching out files and stones but typically if time permits I de-burr, file if needed, then stone with med and fine diamond stones, and a final polish with ceramic stone. Over a bunch of skis it add up especially if you are trying to fit in time for a couple of layers of wax as well.

post #6 of 23
I'm not doing that many skis at once but it's an eye blink to switch stones. Gives you time for a swig of beer, too.
post #7 of 23

Even though they are a Quebec based company, and  that makes me somewhat "local" being around the Eastern Ont, Western Quebec (as far east as Quebec City). I think I have only seen one person ever with Sidecut tools. Never used them myself so you can draw your own conclusions on quality, price, and availability. :dunno

post #8 of 23
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Sibhusky I hear you on this, and at the beginning of the season I always enjoy tuning and find it relaxing, but by the end of March I'm pretty much burned out from all the late nights of pumping out skis, and even then I'm cutting corners. Just trying to claw back a bit of time.

 

Zero Gravity good point about availability, though sporting life is supposed to carry them. Leaning towards SVST as they have solid rep, and from what Chenzo said the SVST guide also has a wider plate, which is a big plus.

 

Thanks

post #9 of 23

SVST S/S faced fixed edge guide at Slidewright - $37.53 CAD

Similar item at Sidecut - $59.27 CAD

Times that by multiple units - big $$ difference. Am I missing something?

 

Shipping to Canada from US cost that many $?

 

BTW, most of those screw down clamp holders don't work. Stick to a 2" Pony spring clamp. Faster, easier on the finger and less frustration. 

post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I'm not doing that many skis at once but it's an eye blink to switch stones. Gives you time for a swig of beer, too.

 

Plus you have to take files and diamond stones off the guide to clean them anyway. And I'm always doing minor little repositionings to get fresh teeth / grit on the edge to delay the cleaning.

post #11 of 23
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KingGrump, part of it is shipping, but its brokerage fees that you usually get killed on. For the price difference it would be worth it if the clamp worked but as you said a lot are not worth it.  So far I have not heard anything to dispute this, so unless I hear otherwise I will be going with the SVST's and pony clamp.

post #12 of 23

CQ, What is brokerage fee?

Is it foreign currency exchange rate? How does it work for international sales?

post #13 of 23

KingGrump - brokerage fees are what he carrier (UPS, FedEx, USPS, Canada Post) decides to charge you for the administration of clearing through customs. There is no guideline and some are reasonable (UPS/Canada Post) some can get outrageous (UPS ground). In the latter, I have heard many horror stories that a low'ish dollar item has more than doubled in price when UPS tacks on 30-50 in "brokerage fees".

post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by CanadianQuad View Post
 

 

Thanks Chenzo. Are the diamond guides crap or more of a duplication? By the looks of them they look like they would maintain a very stable angle if swapping grits or going from file guide to diamond guide. Looking at potentially getting extra guides so I don't have to switch files/stones all the time and speed up the process (doing 6-8 pairs of skis a week, most of it race tuning). Originally I was planning on ordering several of stainless plate SVST guides of the same angles for the same reason.

 

I have a good planer so would skip that option.  Are the built in clamps on the file guides any good, or is the bare guide the best bet -I've been using long files and moonflex stones and a mini Pony quick clamp as an alternative to spring clamp with my current guides.

 

Any Idea of how much narrower the plates are -that could be the biggest issue.

 

While I'm at it, are you familiar with their Sidecut diamond stones. I've been happy with the moonflex in that they cut well, are durable and do not load up badly, but I wonder if the stiff backing plates of the Sidecuts might be a bonus?  

The other issue with the SC diamond guides is that you are somewhat limited to using their diamond disks.  For your intentions, you'd prolly be better off with duplicate guides of same brand and model..  The built in clamps are ok, the svst clamp is better.  I prefer a good spring clamp, like the toko one.  I use sidecut diamond stones exclusively, for two reasons - one its the same highly durable tape as the good swix models, and second theres more diamond tape area on the stone compared to models from swix and moonflex. I also prefer metal backed over plastic.

 

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity View Post
 

Even though they are a Quebec based company, and  that makes me somewhat "local" being around the Eastern Ont, Western Quebec (as far east as Quebec City). I think I have only seen one person ever with Sidecut tools. Never used them myself so you can draw your own conclusions on quality, price, and availability. :dunno

Chris Hillier (ex CAST tech and owner/super nice guy) operates sidecut from Whistler, there might be a distributor in QC, but it has always been a BC company.  Sidecut tools are very popular out west, and I usually sell SC diamond stones 2:1 over all the other combined brands we carry.

 

 

post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post

Chris Hillier (ex CAST tech and owner/super nice guy) operates sidecut from Whistler, there might be a distributor in QC, but it has always been a BC company.  Sidecut tools are very popular out west, and I usually sell SC diamond stones 2:1 over all the other combined brands we carry.

 

 

 

I stand corrected. I Sidecut advertised in the back of a Ski Canada and followed the link to a Quebec based site. Must be a distributor but it looked like it could have been Sidecut themselves.

post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity View Post
 

KingGrump - brokerage fees are what he carrier (UPS, FedEx, USPS, Canada Post) decides to charge you for the administration of clearing through customs. There is no guideline and some are reasonable (UPS/Canada Post) some can get outrageous (UPS ground). In the latter, I have heard many horror stories that a low'ish dollar item has more than doubled in price when UPS tacks on 30-50 in "brokerage fees".


Wow, talking about highway robbery! :nono:

post #17 of 23

And then some. First rule of cross-border shopping is Never, Never, Never ship anything via UPS ground. They are absolutely brutal with their brokerage charges. I've actually refused to purchase from some places because it is the only way they would ship. USPS/Canada Post is the best way if the vendor will do it, which most will if you request it.

post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Chenzo View Post
 

The other issue with the SC diamond guides is that you are somewhat limited to using their diamond disks.  For your intentions, you'd prolly be better off with duplicate guides of same brand and model..  The built in clamps are ok, the svst clamp is better.  I prefer a good spring clamp, like the toko one.  I use sidecut diamond stones exclusively, for two reasons - one its the same highly durable tape as the good swix models, and second theres more diamond tape area on the stone compared to models from swix and moonflex. I also prefer metal backed over plastic.

 

Chris Hillier (ex CAST tech and owner/super nice guy) operates sidecut from Whistler, there might be a distributor in QC, but it has always been a BC company.  Sidecut tools are very popular out west, and I usually sell SC diamond stones 2:1 over all the other combined brands we carry.

 

 [snip photo}

Chenzo, thanks for the advice and photo of the plate widths, which does seem a significant difference. Given you prefer spring clamp over the SC guide's clamp, it tilts the equation in favour of the SVST guide w. spring clamp.  I also like the fact the svst has a ribbed area to collect debris vs the large gullets on the Sidecut, as I suspect the ribs will help hold the file in place better (more friction between tool and file).  Will look into Sidecut diamond stones in the future as I have wondered if the moonflex were just a bit too flexible.

post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by KingGrump View Post
 


Wow, talking about highway robbery! :nono:


Yes indeed. Only reason I'm looking to get some supplies now is a family member is down in the US for a few days and will bring back some stuff duty free for me. Got sidetracked by the sidecut products as they are Canadian so easier for me to get in future. Its a real PITA sometimes as some products just are not distributed here and have to be ordered from US.  Double PITA when some US sites won't process Canadian credit cards and you can't even place an order.

post #20 of 23
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Thanks all for your input. Order is in with Tognar at a 20% off 'downunder' coupon discount (good til end of May I think-check their home page for details). Picked up 3-3deg and 1-2deg SVST guides, some Beast base guides and some Dominator renew wax, and some super fine natural and ceramic stones. All stuff that I doubt I can get up here.

post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by CanadianQuad View Post
 

Thanks all for your input. Order is in with Tognar at a 20% off 'downunder' coupon discount (good til end of May I think-check their home page for details). Picked up 3-3deg and 1-2deg SVST guides, some Beast base guides and some Dominator renew wax, and some super fine natural and ceramic stones. All stuff that I doubt I can get up here.

 

Sound like you are on your way.

Happy tuning. Oh, don't forget the beer. :D

The diamond stones are not the only thing that needs lube.

post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by CanadianQuad View Post
 

 

Thanks Chenzo. Are the diamond guides crap or more of a duplication? By the looks of them they look like they would maintain a very stable angle if swapping grits or going from file guide to diamond guide. Looking at potentially getting extra guides so I don't have to switch files/stones all the time and speed up the process (doing 6-8 pairs of skis a week, most of it race tuning). Originally I was planning on ordering several of stainless plate SVST guides of the same angles for the same reason.

 

I have a good planer so would skip that option.  Are the built in clamps on the file guides any good, or is the bare guide the best bet -I've been using long files and moonflex stones and a mini Pony quick clamp as an alternative to spring clamp with my current guides.

 

Any Idea of how much narrower the plates are -that could be the biggest issue.

 

While I'm at it, are you familiar with their Sidecut diamond stones. I've been happy with the moonflex in that they cut well, are durable and do not load up badly, but I wonder if the stiff backing plates of the Sidecuts might be a bonus?  

http://www.epicski.com/t/127887/what-edge-tool/30#post_1736078

 

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/127887/what-edge-tool/30#post_1736292

post #23 of 23
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Thanks for the lead, may consider them in future after I have a chance to work with the basic guides and see how the work flow goes.

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