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Volkl RTM 80 vs Volkl RTM 84

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hello All!
So to start off I'm a NE skier trying to chose between these two as the prices have gone down. I'm just wondering what the benefit was of either ski, since volkls website says they are both for advanced-expert, and they are both 70-30 on-off piste. Is the 84 worth the extra money or will the 80 be better edge grip. I ski groomed, bumps, and a few trees mainly at killington. And I'm a bigger guy.
Thank you for any insight possible.
post #2 of 24

Have you thought about the Kendo ? I love mine at Okemo. I ski everything. 

 

I used to ski the AC4 and AC40. Had AC30's that I gave to my son. 

 

If your set on the RTM, I'd say the 84. We all seem to be going with a wider ski.

 

Mine have great edge hold, like Volkl is known for.

post #3 of 24
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Ive thought about it, but Ive heard it isn't all that in the bumps, but an absolute shredder on the hardback.  I also feel like it might be too much, because Ive heard it takes a lot to maneuver, and I still am aggressive but also don't mind taking it easy every so often.

post #4 of 24

It's not just the width difference between the RTM 80 and 84. They are different skis, the 84 is sidewall construction and the 80 is cap. The 80 is good performer but a more playful, less demanding ski than the 84. The RTM 81 the a narrower version of the 84.

post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by bobtheskier View Post

Ive thought about it, but Ive heard it isn't all that in the bumps, but an absolute shredder on the hardback.  I also feel like it might be too much, because Ive heard it takes a lot to maneuver, and I still am aggressive but also don't mind taking it easy every so often.


 



I have no problem skiing mine at my GF's speed's, I dont find them hard to ski. I'm also pretty agressive when I ski with the guy's I normally lead the way. That's so they can pick up the pieces...smile.gif

I know your trying to get a good deal cost wise. I would hate to see you pass up a ski that is great for all-mountain and the firm snow we get in VT. I'm sure Killington will have a early season demo. The Volkl Rep tunes his skis and does a great job. I remember telling him years ago that his skis were the best tuned skis I'd ben on. Early this season I skier my 2011 Kendo's to a demo, skied his 2014 Kendo's, they felt no different then mine. 1/3, sharp tip to tail.

I have been on that tune for years.

If you want to buy now, and are not sure about the Kendo, then get the RTM84.
post #6 of 24

Hi Bob,

 

I ski in NE and own a pair of Volkl RTM84s in a 181.  I spend most of my days on slope using my SL race skis as I coach youth racing.  This was my first year using the RTM84s--I bought them to have something good for crud/bumps/trees as well as firm snow as I often free ski with my racers after they have completed their runs.  I like this ski but I definitely do not love it.  It is indeed great in the crud, is decent in bumps and woods, and is pretty good on firm snow.  These are very easy to turn, and can be very, very quick turning. What I do not love about these skis is their somewhat dead/flat feeling and even worse is their poor high speed behavior aka chatter.  As soon as I let these fly, I can feel the chatter build.  For almost this reason alone, I am looking to replace them next season.  With what?  I am not sure yet.  

 

I am brand new here and I didnt expect to reply to a thread so soon after joining but I know this ski well and wanted to offer any help I could.

 

Best of luck in you search for a ski!

post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
 
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Originally Posted by bobtheskier View Post
 

Ive thought about it, but Ive heard it isn't all that in the bumps, but an absolute shredder on the hardback.  I also feel like it might be too much, because Ive heard it takes a lot to maneuver, and I still am aggressive but also don't mind taking it easy every so often.

 



I have no problem skiing mine at my GF's speed's, I dont find them hard to ski. I'm also pretty agressive when I ski with the guy's I normally lead the way. That's so they can pick up the pieces...smile.gif

I know your trying to get a good deal cost wise. I would hate to see you pass up a ski that is great for all-mountain and the firm snow we get in VT. I'm sure Killington will have a early season demo. The Volkl Rep tunes his skis and does a great job. I remember telling him years ago that his skis were the best tuned skis I'd ben on. Early this season I skier my 2011 Kendo's to a demo, skied his 2014 Kendo's, they felt no different then mine. 1/3, sharp tip to tail.

I have been on that tune for years.

If you want to buy now, and are not sure about the Kendo, then get the RTM84.

hmm...that sounds pretty good, might consider them more now.  How are they in the bumps and trees?  Because I don't just want to be limited to the groomers.  Also if I normally ski around a 177, should I stay with that or size up to the 184 if Im 250lbs and 6'3''?  I think just stay with the 177 because I can still ripp, and get the bumps performance.

post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 

Also how still are they?

post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by bobtheskier View Post
 

hmm...that sounds pretty good, might consider them more now.  How are they in the bumps and trees?  Because I don't just want to be limited to the groomers.  Also if I normally ski around a 177, should I stay with that or size up to the 184 if Im 250lbs and 6'3''?  I think just stay with the 177 because I can still ripp, and get the bumps performance.

For a non-bump ski, they are pretty good in the bumps.  They do fine in the woods as well.  I am 6 feet tall, 200 pounds and I would never use these shorter than the 181s I have.  If I was looking for a woods ski, then I would go shorter.  But for a one ski, I would not want to go shorter and you are both taller/heavier than I am.  Go big.  This ski skis short. 

 

Also, this is a very. very easy ski to ski.  Takes a run or two to get the feel for how the rocker works, but they basically turn by themselves.  I would be happy to let you try mine out next season.  Just come to any of the USSA races in NH and I will be there!

post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by MARider View Post
 

For a non-bump ski, they are pretty good in the bumps.  They do fine in the woods as well.  I am 6 feet tall, 200 pounds and I would never use these shorter than the 181s I have.  If I was looking for a woods ski, then I would go shorter.  But for a one ski, I would not want to go shorter and you are both taller/heavier than I am.  Go big.  This ski skis short. 

 

Also, this is a very. very easy ski to ski.  Takes a run or two to get the feel for how the rocker works, but they basically turn by themselves.  I would be happy to let you try mine out next season.  Just come to any of the USSA races in NH and I will be there!

I was talking to Max Capacity, haha but thanks for the offer/guidance.  I was considering the 181 for the rtm 80/84.

post #11 of 24
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I was talking to Max Capacity, haha but thanks for the offer/guidance.  I was considering the 181 for the rtm 80/84.

Yes, I know.  Just thought I would chime in--my apologies.

post #12 of 24
MARider, thanks for chiming in. The more info the better. I couldn't have said it any better. Yes they ski short, buy longer. I'm 5'11" 195lbs was on a 170cm ski for years, my Kendos are 177cm. bob, these skis don't have a speed limit, as long as you have the skill's they are rock solid and easy to ski.

One of the guys at work who races at the local hills here in CT bought his Kendo's just from hearing me talk about them, he loves them.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by MARider View Post

Hi Bob,

I ski in NE and own a pair of Volkl RTM84s in a 181.  I spend most of my days on slope using my SL race skis as I coach youth racing.  This was my first year using the RTM84s--I bought them to have something good for crud/bumps/trees as well as firm snow as I often free ski with my racers after they have completed their runs.  I like this ski but I definitely do not love it.  It is indeed great in the crud, is decent in bumps and woods, and is pretty good on firm snow.  These are very easy to turn, and can be very, very quick turning. What I do not love about these skis is their somewhat dead/flat feeling and even worse is their poor high speed behavior aka chatter.  As soon as I let these fly, I can feel the chatter build.  For almost this reason alone, I am looking to replace them next season.  With what?  I am not sure yet.  

I am brand new here and I didnt expect to reply to a thread so soon after joining but I know this ski well and wanted to offer any help I could.

Best of luck in you search for a ski!

Yes, thanks MARider, and have a question for you. . And sorry for hijacking this post too. By what you said about the 84 easy and quick turning, I would like a ski in order to make quick turns also, yet very short ones, to ride the sides of the trails when crowded, and on very skinny trails. I am 6' 225lbs and would go with the 181s, yet they have a large radius: 19.1. Would this matter, because I was thinking of a smaller turning radius for the above reasons, such as the Atomic Blackeye having 15.7? Chatter would not be a factor for me because I am not high speed skier. I also ski upstate NY, Okemo, and others, for the rare amount of powder we get, and he thick ungroomed mess, would the 84s handle this ok?
post #14 of 24
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Yes, thanks MARider, and have a question for you. . And sorry for hijacking this post too. By what you said about the 84 easy and quick turning, I would like a ski in order to make quick turns also, yet very short ones, to ride the sides of the trails when crowded, and on very skinny trails. I am 6' 225lbs and would go with the 181s, yet they have a large radius: 19.1. Would this matter, because I was thinking of a smaller turning radius for the above reasons, such as the Atomic Blackeye having 15.7? Chatter would not be a factor for me because I am not high speed skier. I also ski upstate NY, Okemo, and others, for the rare amount of powder we get, and he thick ungroomed mess, would the 84s handle this ok?

I am not a ski tech expert but I might guess the rocker offsets the large radius because these skis want to make short turns and are very good at them.  My first run with them, I was very surprised by how much these skis wanted to turn--I dropped into a steep run, laid the ski over and I actually popped into the air coming out of the first few turns (fun!).  These skis excel at making fast, short turns on the sides of trails, on packed power, loose snow and in crud.  For reference, I spend most of my time on 165 sl race skis so I have a pretty good baseline for quick turning skis.

 

If it wasn't for the loose, smeary, and chattery feel at top speed, I would definitely be hanging on to these.  But good top level speed is too important to me so I have started searching for something different.  

post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post

MARider, thanks for chiming in. The more info the better. I couldn't have said it any better. Yes they ski short, buy longer. I'm 5'11" 195lbs was on a 170cm ski for years, my Kendos are 177cm. bob, these skis don't have a speed limit, as long as you have the skill's they are rock solid and easy to ski.

One of the guys at work who races at the local hills here in CT bought his Kendo's just from hearing me talk about them, he loves them.

Thanks Max--I will look into the Kendo's.  These could be great.  I am also looking into the Kastle MX88s.  

post #16 of 24

I picked up a set of RTM 81s late last season.  Once I got used to the rocker they were really great skis.

post #17 of 24

I demo'd the Kendo, RTM84 and K2 AMP Rictor 82XTI back in February at Camelback (PA). The conditions were packed power, All groomed except for 1 trail which had moguls. I am currently skiing on Volkl Supersport 6 star which I absolutely love. I ski pretty much everything but love the trees the most (which I didn't get to test). My picks are:

 

3rd choice goes to the Kendo. On groomers they chattered at high speeds and I just didn't feel as comfortable in my turns or the moguls as the other 2.

 

2nd choice RTM84 . Did everything well, no chatter, great in the moguls, always felt like I was in control of every turn or mogul. high speed turns were pure joy.

 

1st choice (and I must admit a surprise choice) was the K2 Amp Rictor 82XTI. Did everything as well as the RTM84 but it just seemed with less effort. It was just heaven being on this skis, like the ski was reading my mind. I never thought I would move away from Volkl but I fell in love with the K2.

 

Some background on me. 5' 7' 180 lbs. I love skiing in the trees and I ski pretty aggressive. I tend to take 1 trip out west every year and 3 or 4 trips to Vermont.

post #18 of 24
Thread Starter 

Ok thanks all!  For the Rictor, Im most likely going to choose 177, as that is what I normally ski with k2, I just feel like 184 is too long for what I want.  

post #19 of 24

I tested the 170 K2 but I'm a tidbit shorter then you!!!

post #20 of 24
Thread Starter 

I actually found a good deal on them...hmm...how did they perform in the bumps (I assume not to shabby.)  But were they better than what you expected, or not as good as expected but still not bad.

post #21 of 24

I thought both the RTM 84 and K2 performed better then expected in the bumps. With the nod ever so slightly to the K2.

post #22 of 24

I am 6', 220lbs, advanced/expert skiing glades, bumps, zoomer groomers, ice ..... One of my favorite skis was the Volkl AC50's but after 200+ days they were ready to be euthanized. My primary hill is Killington, Vt. This March I replaced my AC50's with a pair of 176cm 2013 RTM 84's with the only difference from the 2014's being cosmetic. I now have 28 Killington days skiing in all conditions => 3' March dump powder, chopped powder / crud, OL spring bumps, icy steeps, glades and found the ski to be an excellent all mountain ski. It excels in chop/crud with little tip bounce. I also found excellent edge hold on firm pack / icy conditions. While it is NOT a powder ski, with a bit of work I still had fun in thigh deep. Comfortable in SOFT bumps but I must admit not skiing any icy moguls. Groomer zoomers = solid at speed. I chose the 176 length with glades in mind and found the ski to be responsive in tight trees yet did not give up significant speed stability or ice edge hold. While the ski is not as stiff as my AC50's I still felt it was adequate for my weight.

 

While there are MANY good all mountain skis to choose from, I found the RTM84 to be well matched for eastern conditions.I bought a pair from skiessentials.com for $620 which included binding mount and shipping. Checking the site I see they still have 176's at that price. 

 

Attached are a few pics from Killington - late April where the RTM's worked well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #23 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info, haha we both ski basically the same conditions. Would they survive iced bumps? Or what makes them not ideal for them?
post #24 of 24
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Thanks for the info, haha we both ski basically the same conditions. Would they survive iced bumps? Or what makes them not ideal for them?

 

I believe they would be as good or possibly slightly better due to less stiffness and some rocker as my AC50's which sucked in ice bumps !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

 

Or, possibly it was more me then the skis which sucked ..............the skis would definitely survive but I'm not as certain about the skier.

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