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Dont let the wrong ski ruin your enthusiasm !

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Skied Volkls for 30 years from the P9 210, coming down in size over the years but staying with Volkls.It has always been a exciting ski for me and I love high speed carving.  About 4 years ago at 62, I was working my butt off on a pair of 188 Volkl Vertigo and Volkl G4s. I was talked into a pair of K2 Recon Apache 181. Didn't ski very often over the next 3 years. It is very unusual for me to loose my skiing passion. I was in the shop one day last year talking about Volkls and the shop had a new Kendo 177 drilled wrong. They only wanted $300 so I bought it. That was last year and skiing came alive again for me. I wound up joining the racing team and buying 2 pairs of updated used skis this year. I went out West this year after a 3 year hiatus and skied everywhere I could over the last two years. I realized I had lost my passion because of the K2 ski. There are skiers who are right for this ski but it wasn't me. I am sure they are many other skis in the Kendo category that would have done the same for my passion but I 66 I was living the skiing dream again. Like a poster said to me 60 is the new 40 if you are a skier!


Edited by levy1 - 5/5/14 at 7:36am
post #2 of 12

There are more wrong skis than there are bad skis. 

 

In the defense of that K2, sounds like it was the wrong ski...for you. Could be for a couple of reasons, 1. the 181 in that K2 was really more like a 184, test you skied the older Volkls in 188's but they were meant to be skied in those lengths, you might have (and I stress might) preferred the Recon in the 174, yes that sounded too short but that was really a 177, more comparable to the 177 Kendo that you like now. The Kendo and Recon ARE two vastly different feeling skis, that is for sure but the easy feel of the Recon can be deceptive, I have seen some top notch world class skier rip it up on them. 2. Did the k2 ever see or get a good tune? That could be the difference too. 3. You might be more comfortable on a wider stiffer ski that needs to be driven. Like you said there is a lot of choices on that range. As you alluded..the K2 isn't bad..just wrong..for you. 

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There are more wrong skis than there are bad skis. 

 

In the defense of that K2, sounds like it was the wrong ski...for you. Could be for a couple of reasons, 1. the 181 in that K2 was really more like a 184, test you skied the older Volkls in 188's but they were meant to be skied in those lengths, you might have (and I stress might) preferred the Recon in the 174, yes that sounded too short but that was really a 177, more comparable to the 177 Kendo that you like now. The Kendo and Recon ARE two vastly different feeling skis, that is for sure but the easy feel of the Recon can be deceptive, I have seen some top notch world class skier rip it up on them. 2. Did the k2 ever see or get a good tune? That could be the difference too. 3. You might be more comfortable on a wider stiffer ski that needs to be driven. Like you said there is a lot of choices on that range. As you alluded..the K2 isn't bad..just wrong..for you. 

Agreed. I love a super-stiff ski as most Volkls are. The K2 for me was way to soft and I did not feel the energy I am used to in the Volkls.I never felt is was long at all especially after skiing the stiff Volkls at 188.  As far as the tune it was perfect. 

post #4 of 12

Some skis like to be ridden, some like to be driven.

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Perfect analogy! 

post #6 of 12
My daughter is a Volkl girl. She hates K2s. I like K2s. Have the Recon and the Outlaw. Got a Nordica in spring of 2012. Totally different ski and I struggled with it. This past season I learned to love it for most conditions, but there is one condition it does not excel at - hard chop (you know - the stuff where your fillings get shaken loose). The K2s are impervious to it, make it far more relaxing to get through compared to the Nordica. Yeah, the Nordica holds an edge, but they are very reactive and after a while that is tiring. The K2s hold an edge and I don't have to be "on them" all the time controlling the chatter. So, there are lively/chattery skis and there are dead/damp skis. Which is the ski you are looking for? Depends on what you are skiing and how young your legs are.

Now looking for a ski to replace one of those K2s. For what I need it for, it'll probably be a K2.
Edited by sibhusky - 5/5/14 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post
Like a poster said to me 60 is the new 40 if you are a skier!

Until you hit a bump field...

 

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I did not feel the energy I am used to in the Volkls.

IMHO, the difference is about feel, more than flex per se or being driven vs being ridden. K2's as a group are less "poppy" than Volkls, with less snowfeel, more dampness. Not a good thing or a bad thing, but like Phil says, a right thing or a wrong thing for each individual. Also keep in mind that a ski that's longer will feel "numb" sometimes because it's tougher to pressure at tip or tail. So yeah, could have been length. The cosmic question is why K2 insists on having its stated lengths underestimate standard length, relative to all other ski makers I know of. Is it cooler or something?

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My daughter is a Volkl girl. She hates K2s. I like K2s. Have the Recon (not Apache) and the Outlaw. Got a Nordica in spring of 2012. Totally different ski and I struggled with it. This past season I learned to love it for most conditions, but there is one condition it does not excel at - hard chop (you know - the stuff where your fillings get shaken loose). The K2s are impervious to it, make it far more relaxing to get through compared to the Nordica. Yeah, the Nordica holds an edge, but they are very reactive and after a while that is tiring. The K2s hold an edge and I don't have to be "on them" all the time controlling the chatter. So, there are lively/chattery skis and there are dead/damp skis. Which is the ski you are looking for? Depends on what you are skiing and how young your legs are.

Now looking for a ski to replace one of those K2s. For what I need it for, it'll probably be a K2.


How about a cheap K2 Apache, say 100?

post #9 of 12
I'd bite except they are 181's. That would be a huge leap for me. Also planning on splitting the difference and getting a wider ski than that. 84 - 90.
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You can trim them off at the back!

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I'd bite except they are 181's. That would be a huge leap for me. Also planning on splitting the difference and getting a wider ski than that. 84 - 90.

How wide are you going?

post #12 of 12
? 84-90. Probably more towards the 90. Recon is 78.
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