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post #1 of 26
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Gang, 

 

So looking at the sched and the finances and this summer might provide an opportunity for a race camp fantasy I have had for a long time.  I am U14 race coach and active league and Masters racer.  I also coached HS racers for 6 years. LOTS of time on snow the past three seasons.  Lots of racing.  45 years old and frankly not a top contender, but competitive and knowledgeable.

 

So I started looking at Masters camps for Mt Hood, reading the info and looking at the videos.  Long story short, I have not been overly impressed with the videos and curricula I have been seeing. I am sure these camps are a TON of fun, but I am wondering about the quality of training. 

 

The videos I watched seem to stress "directed free skiing" gate type "drills", and the skiers (in the videos at least) seem a little...well...not exactly ripping up the courses (which BTW seemed kinda flat.)  There seemed to be a greater emphasis on SL (not interested for my personal racing, but thought would be useful for coaching.)  The "video analysis" was taking place on a 19" CRT tv circa 1985 - I think it had a VHS slot. 

 

So questions are...

 

-Exactly what kind of adult racers are these camps geared towards?

-Do they set and run full length GS style courses?

-Timed Runs?

-Terrain?

-Equipment Demos?

-Is the snow mush?

-Accommodations and grub?  Any good?  I am NOT a 5 star kinda guy.

-Any women or mostly vikings?

 

Has anyone had any experiences they could share?  I am a little discouraged but what I am seeing on the web.

post #2 of 26

I was looking at the same info recently and had a very similar reaction.  It looks like the promos have not been updated in about 10 years so perhaps its just poor advertising but I'll be interested to see what other's experiences are.

post #3 of 26

pat, when you say you're a U14 coach, have you gone through USSA certification?

post #4 of 26
FWIW, (not much) I did one of those camps twenty years ago and it was a total waste. The fellow campers were there just to be skiing in July. Don't remember much other than having to get in line with hundreds of people to ride a T-Bar after every run. Free skiing where you're confined to a lane. Pretty sure the camp no longer exists.

It wasn't at Hood, it was at Whistler.

EDIT: I guess it wasn't a total waste. Just noticed I'm wearing their shirt. So I got a shirt that lasted twenty years.
post #5 of 26
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yes level 100 ussa cert. level 1 psia

post #6 of 26

Google WVBBTS  camps,  The run a late June early July camp to Hintertux Austria.  12 days - 8 on the snow.  Couple of great coaches. 

post #7 of 26

I never attended his summer camp but have the one at Stratton a couple times.  Really like it and hope to go again this year.  Jim is a great guy/coach.

 

http://www.cardenaliskicamps.com/camps/2alpes.shtml

post #8 of 26

Brandon Dykesterhaus and Ski Club Vail are running a Masters camp at Bachelor at the start of June.  Dykester is a terrific coach!  If i was going to as umber one it would be that.  Or the other alternative is to go down to SA with the Skinner brothers...

post #9 of 26
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I never attended his summer camp but have the one at Stratton a couple times.  Really like it and hope to go again this year.  Jim is a great guy/coach.

 

http://www.cardenaliskicamps.com/camps/2alpes.shtml

@L&AirC, I've done that camp.  When were you there last?  Maybe we met.

post #10 of 26
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Brandon Dykesterhaus and Ski Club Vail are running a Masters camp at Bachelor at the start of June.  Dykester is a terrific coach!  If i was going to as umber one it would be that.  Or the other alternative is to go down to SA with the Skinner brothers...

My boss has been going down to Chile with the Skinners for the past few summers & seems to think it is very worthwhile.  Not sure about DH, but I know they do Super-G & often ski alongside WCer's.  Later in the camp they do some official SA Master's races.

I ski with Bobby Skinner occasionally through the season (usually on powder days ;) ) & he is a fun guy, a ripping racer & a great coach.

 

:ski

JF

post #11 of 26
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My boss has been going down to Chile with the Skinners for the past few summers & seems to think it is very worthwhile.  Not sure about DH, but I know they do Super-G & often ski alongside WCer's.  Later in the camp they do some official SA Master's races.

I ski with Bobby Skinner occasionally through the season (usually on powder days ;) ) & he is a fun guy, a ripping racer & a great coach.

 

:ski

JF

yeah, bobby is a great guy.  I had the opportunity to train with him for a few days at the FIS Masters this year and he has an excellent eye as a coach

post #12 of 26
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@L&AirC, I've done that camp.  When were you there last?  Maybe we met.

 

I was there for the first two days of the Dec 12/13 and Dec 10/11 I did 4 days.

post #13 of 26
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@L&AirC, I've done that camp.  When were you there last?  Maybe we met.

 

I was there for the first two days of the Dec 12/13 and Dec 10/11 I did 4 days.

 

We should all go.

post #14 of 26

I went to Mt. Hood Summer Ski Camps when I was in high school a loooonnngggggg time ago.  While I can't speak to the quality of any adult camps, I can tell you that the slope, while not super steep by any means, is certainly enough that the training will be worthwhile with the right coaching.  as i recall the slope was something like mid teens, and very consistent through the entire snowfield.  We certainly got moving during our gs training.  after two weeks there following my junior year, I came back for my senior season a different skier entirely.  Of course, we had a huge lane all to ourselves and about 6 racers in my class total.

post #15 of 26
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I never attended his summer camp but have the one at Stratton a couple times.  Really like it and hope to go again this year.  Jim is a great guy/coach.

 

http://www.cardenaliskicamps.com/camps/2alpes.shtml

I went to Les 2 Alpes with Jim in 2001. A great time. If you're interested in serious master's race training you should contact him to see who's going to be there. It may not meet what you want. For example, doubtful that anyone will wear a speed suit but it varies. More geared to the person interested in doing race training as opposed to the hardcore masters racer. There'll most likely be some national team training up there at the time. Lots of schools from all over go there also.

 

Never been to Mt. Hood, but in terms of terrain to ski my understanding is L2alpes is vastly better. No salt, great snow if it's decent year. We had every type pretty much from soft to powder to hard. You ski till about 1pm. Also much easier to get to the top than Whistler from what I've heard. You take one large gondola right in town that's divided into two sections. Get out, walk to the next one. We were within walking distance from the hotel.

 

After skiing there's lots to do. There are towns. L2A is sort of the Killington of the Alps, but there's small older towns down below, one you get to by another gondola.  Often the Tour de France comes into a nearby town or even L2A. If it's another town it requires commitment to get there, you might not be able to ski and go see it.  La Grave is down the road for rafting or sight seeing. It's an amazing area.


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Exactly what kind of adult racers are these camps geared towards?

You're going to have to ask. When I did it, mostly people who want to improve their skiing through racing.

 

-Do they set and run full length GS style courses?

Pretty long, yes. Over a minute? doubtful.

-Timed Runs?

Probably now.

-Terrain?

For racing, not steep but not flat either. Pretty good actually. Hey, it's summer. I think Sass Fee, Sui or Hintertux, Aut has more steep. Vastly better than Hood or Whistler/Blackcomb. There's a whole other area besides the racing lanes with a chair lift or two. If I went again I'd look into getting a guide and skiing off piste. You could ski to La Grave from the top of L2A, but don't know about summer. It's incredibly beautiful. It's the Alps!!
 

-Equipment Demos?

Yes we had demos. Italian magazine was doing testing also.

-Is the snow mush?

No! I was amazed at the snow quality. Full range. From hard to packed powder to softish spring. We skied powder and corn in other areas also. If it snows, visibility is near zero and you might not ski. The Euros are nuts and will do 30mph through dense fog.

You have to realize you only ski till 1 or 1:30 then it closes. The advantage to L2A over Whistler/Bl is that it's so easy to get to the top. One lift then t bar. Maybe 1/2 hour  to 40 min of simplicity.

 

-Accommodations and grub?  Any good?  I am NOT a 5 star kinda guy.

Food was really good. Italians running the hotel for the summer. Meals were breakfast, lunch and dinner iirc. It's very Euro style hotel. Also, many places to eat in town. The bakery, fromagerie, charcuterie, were incredible. I joke about Kilington of the Alps, but the food is not. Full range from simple to elaborate to get your own stuff.

-Any women or mostly vikings?

When I went women probably 1/3. You need to talk to Jim.

 


Edited by Tog - 5/2/14 at 8:22am
post #16 of 26

Living 1 hr from Hood I've taken a few camps. Tichy has always been a great time for me. http://www.tichyracing.com/

post #17 of 26

I attend the Timberline Masters Camp last summer before the Summer Fun Nationals. Had a great time and learned a lot.  If you are looking for something all- inclusive I would check it out.  I also ran into a few people that had good things to say about the camp Willy Scroggins runs

post #18 of 26
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I attend the Timberline Masters Camp last summer before the Summer Fun Nationals. Had a great time and learned a lot.  If you are looking for something all- inclusive I would check it out.  I also ran into a few people that had good things to say about the camp Willy Scroggins runs

Willy scroggins is a good coach. He is also an active and successful masters racer so you will find his camp is geared more towards racers who are looking to make real race progress as opposed to just improving skiing by racing. An important difference
post #19 of 26

I skied Mt Hood in July one year and saw the camps in action, didn't join one. The pitch is reasonable for what they are doing, not steep by any means, but enough. The snow gets really soft by 1 PM so I think they run the camps in the morning. I quit by noon because the lower slopes were wet slush and only boarders could handle it. The camps stay higher up, so not slush, just refreeze snow turning to wet corn as day goes on. Seemed like a pretty good setup for the camp, and lots to do after skiing. Beautiful area and Hood River Town, nearby, is the wind surfing meca of the US. I owned a windsurfing company in Hood River a long time ago.

post #20 of 26

I've been wondering about the Mt Hood Adult camps myself. Either racing or moguls. Would love to get a week in during August and get some consistency going/

post #21 of 26

I did the Hood camp about 3 yrs ago.  I can compare and contrast it to Momentum at Whistler and my perspective is from a guy who did the mogul camps.  

 

Where Momentum was very organized and formal in the agenda and training regimen...Hood was VERY informal and one could call it a bit disorganized.  The racers predominate from all over the country and rent their training lanes from the Mtn.  Us bumpers got 2 small lanes and had to deal with obnoxious coaches who would yell at us if we even as so much encroached on the border of their lane.  The pitch was fairly average and we had 1 instructor who had to singlehandedly shape the moguls every day...that took some time to get things started.  He was a decent instructor and offered some good tips and technique feedback that did help my skiing.  The lift line was quite crowded and got ever longer as it grew later in the day....even free skiers started showing up and really made for some crowds on the limited space available to ski.  

 

There is virtually nothing in Government Camp...a smatter of 2 or 3 bars and restaurants...so don't look to that for entertainment.  We did some great Mtn Bike rides and drove off-site to an AMAZING bbq place started by someone from the South.  The natural beauty was incredible and worth the trip...but the skiing was sort of middling.  By contrast, Whistler (though much more expensive) was INCREDIBLE skiing and pretty good skiing for the summertime.  The village needs no additional hype and it is hopping during the summer.  You can mtn bike, swim, golf, bungy or whatever else you want to do up there.  Kids have made it harder for me to break away in the summer but I am planning a return to Momentum in the next couple of years.  I wouldn't go out of my way to go back to Hood in the summer, but might ski a few days if I happened to be in Portland where my sister lives.  Just my .02.  

post #22 of 26

Here's a video posted by Freeskier of Momentum Ski Camps

post #23 of 26
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I did the Hood camp about 3 yrs ago.  I can compare and contrast it to Momentum at Whistler and my perspective is from a guy who did the mogul camps.  

 

Where Momentum was very organized and formal in the agenda and training regimen...Hood was VERY informal and one could call it a bit disorganized.  The racers predominate from all over the country and rent their training lanes from the Mtn.  Us bumpers got 2 small lanes and had to deal with obnoxious coaches who would yell at us if we even as so much encroached on the border of their lane.  The pitch was fairly average and we had 1 instructor who had to singlehandedly shape the moguls every day...that took some time to get things started.  He was a decent instructor and offered some good tips and technique feedback that did help my skiing.  The lift line was quite crowded and got ever longer as it grew later in the day....even free skiers started showing up and really made for some crowds on the limited space available to ski.  

 

There is virtually nothing in Government Camp...a smatter of 2 or 3 bars and restaurants...so don't look to that for entertainment.  We did some great Mtn Bike rides and drove off-site to an AMAZING bbq place started by someone from the South.  The natural beauty was incredible and worth the trip...but the skiing was sort of middling.  By contrast, Whistler (though much more expensive) was INCREDIBLE skiing and pretty good skiing for the summertime.  The village needs no additional hype and it is hopping during the summer.  You can mtn bike, swim, golf, bungy or whatever else you want to do up there.  Kids have made it harder for me to break away in the summer but I am planning a return to Momentum in the next couple of years.  I wouldn't go out of my way to go back to Hood in the summer, but might ski a few days if I happened to be in Portland where my sister lives.  Just my .02.  

What's "incredible skiing and pretty good skiing for summertime"? Those should be reversed?

 

I haven't been to Whistler, but those who have say it pales compared to say Sass Fee, SUI; Les Deux Alpes, FRA; or Hintertux, AUT. I think Hinterux probably has the least town though.

post #24 of 26

Sorry Tog..I mean incredible INSTRUCTION not incredible SKIING.  Summer skiing is rarely incredible unless its in the Southern Hemisphere.  However, I'm not sure how you can say it pales in comparison to other places if you've never been no?  In any event, it depends on what you're comparing...extreme terrain, acreage, towns, snow quality...whatever..everyone has their preferences.  I've skiied all over the Alps and North America.  Whistler and Jackson are the best mtns for my money...though Whistler's snow is variable since its not a very high altitude overall.  Anyway, I went in the summer to learn from some of the best skiiers in the world and that was money well spent for me. 

post #25 of 26

Ah, got it. I'm comparing based on skiing L2Alpes in summer and talking to people who've skied there, Whistler, Hood, plus Saas Fee.  I think for summer, as long as your expectations are reasonable, it' all good and all better than a salted Hood. I think for access, L2A is the easiest and quickest from town plus there's decent terrain - for summer. The area where the race training is is probably comparable to Hood, but there's another area. Plus, if enough snow, and with a guide, you could ski to La Grave though you'd probably have to spend the whole day since starting that venture at say noon is not a good idea likely.

post #26 of 26

adult only (lol) camps can be hit and miss. You might find yourself in a group of highly skilled, highly competitive racers, or the complete opposite.
MT Hood has some excellent coaches and some kids straight out of some college programs, depends who you get. If you are looking for extra time on snow and in gates than i'd say go for it. If you want serious technical training find something else.

Go to Europe, Les2Alpes has tons of camps and testing center, SaasFee, Stelvio, also have lots of camps. 
 

PS

As far as videos at MHSSC most coaches own HD cameras so you should be able to watch video on the HD tv down in the lodge. (summer kids camps have too many groups to watch all on one tv)

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