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I crashed a 30-something foot cliff today...

post #1 of 28
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...and now I'm banged up and can't ski for a few days. The snow is so nice right now too. Anyone in a similar situation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkYunZ4uZ5U
post #2 of 28

Local hill is closed, so not skiing here.  Do you remember how it went wrong?

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Do you remember how it went wrong?

Pretty sure it went wrong when they decided to ski down rocks over a cliff..

post #4 of 28

 

I think it went wrong when he decided to take (what the video title says) a Forbidden Zone

It looks like the OP hit rocks before you launched, which slowed him down and didn't allow a clean launch.  

 

Here's a screen shot at 3 seconds in. 

There's nothing good about this line. 

post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by Sh4d0w View Post

...and now I'm banged up and can't ski for a few days. The snow is so nice right now too. Anyone in a similar situation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkYunZ4uZ5U

 

 

no but you have balls to ski that in low snow. it possible to ski right now but the only people I saw sticking it are people who top 20 at FWT events....

 

 

TC forbidden zone is the name, you are allowed to ski it though. It open and everything right now 

post #6 of 28
I taught my son when he was very young that life is about choices...you need to learn how to make the right choice. When you make a wrong choice, bad things happen.

He was 2 or 3 y/o at that time.

Sorry you had a big fall. Hey at least it was at the end of the season.
post #7 of 28

LZ is also too flat for a drop like that, especially at slow speed.  The steeper the LZ, the higher the speed at drop, the softer the impact at landing.  Sure, you could flat land and crater 6 feet of soft snow but what's the point if you can't ski out of it???

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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

Local hill is closed, so not skiing here.  Do you remember how it went wrong?


 



I felt like while I was in the air, air resistance was pushing up on my ski tips which caused me to land too far in the back seat. After being advised by some other people, I think it's also that I let my arms go up instead of throwing them out in front of me.

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Pretty sure it went wrong when they decided to ski down rocks over a cliff..

 


I didn't ski down rocks... I didn't even hit any, I cleared them all. I just landed off balance.

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I think it went wrong when he decided to take (what the video title says) a Forbidden Zone



It looks like the OP hit rocks before you launched, which slowed him down and didn't allow a clean launch.  



 



There's nothing good about this line. 


 



The name of the area is Forbidden Zone, but it is an open area, that's just what people call it. It's in Snowbird's Upper Cirque. I didn't hit any rocks, the launch was actually very clean, and two other people skied it and stuck it before I attempted it. I just hadn't done anything quite that big in the past and didn't do everything right in the air.

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no but you have balls to ski that in low snow. it possible to ski right now but the only people I saw sticking it are people who top 20 at FWT events....

TC forbidden zone is the name, you are allowed to ski it though. It open and everything right now

 



Thanks! I saw two other people hit it right before I did and they stuck it, but that's the only time I've ever seen anyone hit it. Not sure if they're pros.

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Hey at least it was at the end of the season.

 


Exactly!

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LZ is also too flat for a drop like that, especially at slow speed.  The steeper the LZ, the higher the speed at drop, the softer the impact at landing.  Sure, you could flat land and crater 6 feet of soft snow but what's the point if you can't ski out of it???


 


I agree on no point if I can't ski out of it. In this case the LZ is fine, the impact didn't sting at all and two other people stuck it. I just did things a little bit wrong and landed off balance.
post #9 of 28
Have to give you credit for at least having the nadds to make the jump.

Hey, there's a steep and deep camp coming up next year, may have some tips on the flight...

Hope you have a uneventful recovery.
post #10 of 28
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Have to give you credit for at least having the nadds to make the jump.

Hey, there's a steep and deep camp coming up next year, may have some tips on the flight...

Hope you have a uneventful recovery.


Thanks! I've got some advice on TGR and NS on what to do differently, so I think that when I'm recovered, given another pow day, I'll be able to figure it out on my own, but I'll definitely keep the Steep And Deep camp in mind if I feel like I need any more help come next winter.

post #11 of 28
Just checked out the thread over on TGR, thinking about the video's of big jumps, yep, hands to the knee's seems to be very common.

Good luck next time.
post #12 of 28

You do realize, I hope, that if you are going quickly down and you land on an incline the skis are going to try and jump ahead, leaving you behind.   The more vertical velocity the more the skis will want to jump ahead when they hit the incline.  Sometimes it pays to be back as the impact of deep sticky snow will try and stop you, but often it's the other way around.  If you are out of practice, it can catch you by surprise.  I've been caught a few times, never fell off the back though (at least not yet).

post #13 of 28

Hucking cliffs ain't as easy as it seems apparently.

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guys the land zone on this huck is a 40 degree + pitch the go pro is not a go indincated of anything in this video. 

 

his landing was just to lookers left of the track all by it self. The forbidden Zone is everything on the right side of this picture. 

 

 

to everyone arm chair quarter backing this. You would not even want to be standing where this guys starts his drop in.

post #15 of 28

Thanks for the perspective Josh.  I've skied Snowbird 6 days total.  I've skied some of the aspects on The Cirque a couple times but that one is something I wouldn't consider. 

 

Sh4D0w, Hope you catch it on video when you nail it.  Have someone video from a different perspective.  Sometimes POV isn't the best view. 

post #16 of 28

Hey, look at it this way - There couldn't have been a more perfect time to go for it and mess up the landing. Nice, soft snow toward the very end of the season = not so much to lose. 

 

Props for going for it. I saw a couple of guys do it yesterday - pretty sick just to watch. 

post #17 of 28
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I agree on no point if I can't ski out of it. In this case the LZ is fine, the impact didn't sting at all and two other people stuck it. I just did things a little bit wrong and landed off balance.

 

 

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guys the land zone on this huck is a 40 degree + pitch the go pro is not a go indincated of anything in this video. 

 

to everyone arm chair quarter backing this. You would not even want to be standing where this guys starts his drop in.

 

 

OK agreed, looking at the video again there's no way someone would tumble that far after landing on flat.  I was looking at this image where it does appear to be a flat spot at the bottom where the rocks end.  It must just be less steep there making it look flat..

 

post #18 of 28

@Sh4d0w So,  what did you bust up that you can't go skiing today?

post #19 of 28
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Ghost, that's definitely good advice, thanks. And thank you Josh for giving another perspective of it.

 

@Trekchick, I'll definitely film it with my Contour. I hope I can have someone film third person too, but I usually ski alone (I justed moved here from Minnesota so I don't know many people in Utah yet) so it may not be an option. When I do stick it, I'll post whatever video I get.

 

@Joe, yeah it was awesome to watch the other guys do it. Two did it before me, they both stuck it. Pretty sure they're the only others who hit that line, but some other guys were hitting lines further to skier's left in the Forbidden Zone.

 

My main injury is my left shoulder, it's fine if I keep it still but I can't use my left arm for much of anything without a lot of pain. I think it's just twisted or something, it shouldn't take too long to heal. My right shoulder and a spot by my right knee are a bit sore, and I have some shinbang. Hoping that it will all heal soon and we get another pow day this winter so I can go back to the Forbidden Zone and make up for my crash...

post #20 of 28

I've had injured shoulders, too many times.   So long as I can lift the chair bar with the other hand, I'll go skiing without poles.   One time, just as I was barely able to lift the bar with my injured shoulder, I fell and injured the other one.   It was lucky for me I that didn't have to ferry anyone down in the sled on the subsequent days; that would have been painful.  An injured shoulder is not reason not to ski imho; just make sure that if you fall you fall on the other side :D.  

post #21 of 28
If it is a crater bomb landing then tips back may help disperse the impact

But for something to ski out of, being back, plus the impact, makes it very easy for your skis to slightly diverge / you to tip to one side

Divergent tips under that much snow is hard to ski out of

Can't tell the pitch of the landing relative to the flight, but "air to flat" means a lot of energy that stops/slows very rapidly. Any twist of hands or skis makes it easy to twist and crash.

If you can watch the footage at slower speed you might detect what specifically happened. It does look like the tips come up before impact
post #22 of 28

Wow. Violent. Hard to tell from the perspective of the helmet cam anything about the landing.

 

Props for the attempt. Be sure to hang around to tell people how easy hucking cliffs is.

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I can chime in here as I recently injured my shoulder skiing. Not sure how it happened since I also sustained a concussion and lost 5 hours of memory. It was April 1st. I will never ski on April fools day again. I know I wasn't hucking cliffs at least on purpose. I can say that if you cant move your arm without severe shoulder pain and something just doesn't "feel right" in there then I would go to the doctor. I had a huge tear of my labrum due to dislocation and it undoubtedly needed surgical correction. If it starts feeling better in the next day or two then disregard my comments. And Ghost,  there would be no way to keep skiing and enjoy it even if I didn't have a concussion but I agree with you if its a strain/sprain sort of thing.

post #24 of 28
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@Ghost I'll go back out soon, it was more than just my shoulder but everything else is pretty well healed now. Left shoulder is still pretty sore.

@Docbrad thanks for the input.

@Anachronism The landing was nice. Steep and soft. I just wasn't used to doing cliffs that big. I can do cliffs half that size easily and stomp them every time, I just got off balance or something in the air. After being advised at TGR forums I now know what to do differently: tuck, hands forward (hands to knees), weight forward, stay tucked until about to land.

@Agreen thanks for the info. My right shoulder is pretty much recovered, my left shoulder is still sore. It doesn't hurt much if I just move it around keeping it low, but if I put my arm up it's really sore. I think it's something that will heal on its own but I'll keep your advice in mind if it doesn't feel any better given a few more days. How is your shoulder doing? Fully recovered yet?
post #25 of 28
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@Ghost I'll go back out soon, it was more than just my shoulder but everything else is pretty well healed now. Left shoulder is still pretty sore.

@Docbrad thanks for the input.

@Anachronism The landing was nice. Steep and soft. I just wasn't used to doing cliffs that big. I can do cliffs half that size easily and stomp them every time, I just got off balance or something in the air. After being advised at TGR forums I now know what to do differently: tuck, hands forward (hands to knees), weight forward, stay tucked until about to land.

@Agreen thanks for the info. My right shoulder is pretty much recovered, my left shoulder is still sore. It doesn't hurt much if I just move it around keeping it low, but if I put my arm up it's really sore. I think it's something that will heal on its own but I'll keep your advice in mind if it doesn't feel any better given a few more days. How is your shoulder doing? Fully recovered yet?

 

I had surgery 3 weeks ago. Mainly just working on stretching it. Strengthening will start in the next couple weeks. So not even close to fully recovered. I'm hoping by July. Thanks for asking and I hope your left shoulder follows your right one over the next few days.

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I had surgery 3 weeks ago. Mainly just working on stretching it. Strengthening will start in the next couple weeks. So not even close to fully recovered. I'm hoping by July. Thanks for asking and I hope your left shoulder follows your right one over the next few days.

 


Oh wow, that must have been a pretty bad injury. I hope the recovery goes smoothly. My shoulder is already a lot better, I think I'm going to try skiing tomorrow and just not use a pole in my left hand, and hopefully be ready for two poles again in a few days.
post #27 of 28

Ditch both poles; you will be better balanced that way.

post #28 of 28
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Ditch both poles; you will be better balanced that way.


Good point, I probably will.

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