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Edge Bevel for Rossi 7 Series Skis?

Poll Results: Edge Bevel for Rossi 7 series?

 
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    1 degree (Factory)
  • 20% (1)
    2 degrees
  • 80% (4)
    3 degrees
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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

A similar question has probably been covered, but I couldn't find anything.  I currently have several pairs of race skis and big mountain/freeride skis on which I use 3deg and 2deg edge bevels respectively.  Last year I bought a pair of Rossi Squad 7s (120mm waist) for myself and my wife bought the S7w.  Rossis are generally factory tuned to a 1deg side, but I only have file guides for 3deg and 2deg.  Should I get a 1deg guide for these skis or just tune them to 2deg?  These are our first rockered skis - any advice on how to handle tuning/detuning the tips/tails?

post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by Talking Monkey View Post
 

A similar question has probably been covered, but I couldn't find anything.  I currently have several pairs of race skis and big mountain/freeride skis on which I use 3deg and 2deg edge bevels respectively.  Last year I bought a pair of Rossi Squad 7s (120mm waist) for myself and my wife bought the S7w.  Rossis are generally factory tuned to a 1deg side, but I only have file guides for 3deg and 2deg.  Should I get a 1deg guide for these skis or just tune them to 2deg?  These are our first rockered skis - any advice on how to handle tuning/detuning the tips/tails?

Why would you detune the tips and tails?

 

they are not in contact with the snow on the groomed  until you roll the ski on edge. 

post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

Why would you detune the tips and tails?

 

they are not in contact with the snow on the groomed  until you roll the ski on edge. 

 

Good point.  As I said, these are our first rockered skis so I was just looking for some input .

post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by Talking Monkey View Post
 

 

Good point.  As I said, these are our first rockered skis so I was just looking for some input .

I don't have an extremely rockered ski, Atomic Ritual with has conventional camber and about 15% early rise tip 65 conventional camber and 15 tail.

 

I have a 1 degree base bevel and 3 degree side edge. They perform handsomely + everywhere on the mountain!

 

 

http://www.atomic.com/en-US/Products/Alpine/Ski/All%20Mountain%20Twins/VANTAGE_RITUAL/AA0024886.aspx?filter=

post #5 of 14
I'd tune them to two degrees, mostly because I can't think of a reason not to, and two degrees works great for me on the softer conditions I typically ski on. However, if I raced or lived on the east coast I'd probably buy a three degree guide and use that on most of my skis. Also, unless I've been misunderstanding things, a lot of rockered skis have less sidecut and rely on the contact of the tips and tails to facilitate turning on groomed and hard snow. Your skis may vary.

Some people claim that the manufacturer's tune is meant to provide optimal performance for a ski and that you should try the ski before changing it, but given the range of skis that Rossi makes, and the fact that they all seem to come with a one inch side bevel, I'm not convinced.
Edited by litterbug - 4/28/14 at 3:44pm
post #6 of 14

Great thing with side bevel is you can try a 2 and then go to a 3. If you don't like the 3 , you can easily go back to a 2 with no stonegrind, just redo the side edge with a file and stones at 2 degrees. 

 

But a 3 will make no real difference in soft snow snow , but will make a big difference on the groomed!

post #7 of 14

I would use 1 base and 3 side.  I tore back the sidewall on my Soul 7's and beveled to 3 degrees and they skied everything really well.  I skied them in the East and the West.  They held on ice and imo the extra bevel makes no difference on soft snow anyway, so why not tune them for edge hold on hardpack (⅓) so when you do come across it they bite.

post #8 of 14
One and two. no ski above 110 need as 1/3 IMHO... smile.gif There's a HUGE difference between a 103 or 105 underfoot with significant side cut ski as mentioned above than your Squad. 120/32m turn radius..

That said, I have a 1.5/3 tune on my big skis.
Edited by markojp - 4/29/14 at 6:04pm
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

But a 3 will make no real difference in soft snow snow , but will make a big difference on the groomed!

 

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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

I would use 1 base and 3 side.......imo the extra bevel makes no difference on soft snow anyway, so why not tune them for edge hold on hardpack (⅓) so when you do come across it they bite.

They are wise.

 

Auras (94), Kikus (105), Shiros (119), and Kuros (132) all tuned to 1/3 with no ill effects in soft snow, and much better performance on the groomers.

post #10 of 14
I vote 1/3 also, all my ski's and the GF's skis are at 1/3, I've been on that for 10 years now. My Shiro's have great edge hold on the spring ice between the softing bumps.
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by volklgirl View Post

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

But a 3 will make no real difference in soft snow snow , but will make a big difference on the groomed!
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

 
I would use 1 base and 3 side.......imo the extra bevel makes no difference on soft snow anyway, so why not tune them for edge hold on hardpack (⅓) so when you do come across it they bite.
They are wise.

Auras (94), Kikus (105), Shiros (119), and Kuros (132) all tuned to 1/3 with no ill effects in soft snow, and much better performance on the groomers.
I think I've been converted, because in truth the only reason not to go to three degrees is the $35 for another (& somewhat better) side edge beveler. Can I change my vote?
post #12 of 14

My Kastle MX83 has a 2 degree side edge. If I change it to 3 degree will I need to shave the ski's side wall?

post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

My Kastle MX83 has a 2 degree side edge. If I change it to 3 degree will I need to shave the ski's side wall?
If the file contacts the sidewall instead of the edge, you'll need to strip or plane some of it off. Running the file over the sidewall feels and sounds different than it does on steel, and the sidewall material will clog the file teeth and look different from metal shavings.

Some file the sidewall freehand with a panzer file, which is coarse enough not to get clogged. Most use a guide with a steeper angle than the edge angle, usually five to seven degrees, or a sidewall stripper or planer that's designed for the task. Here are some pages with a variety of tools:

sidewall planers @ artechski.com
sidewall planers @ racewax.com
sidewall planers @ slidewright.com
sidewall planers @ tognar.com

HTH!
post #14 of 14

If your Kastles haven't been edged a bunch of times, you'll probably be able to reset the angle without planing, YMMV, however.

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