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7th time a charm? :/

post #1 of 14
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I bought a custom footbed before last season from "The Custom Foot" in Englewood, CO, and had it fitted there as well after I bought Lange RX 130's. After the initial visit, I've come back 5 more times due to pain underfoot in the arch area. I'm getting pretty frustrated, I don't expect ski boots to be extremely comfortable, but I also expect to be able to buckle them tight enough to get the performance I want, and that is just not happening without being in agony. While the pain and discomfort is not as bad as the first fitting, I feel we've hit a brick wall now.

 

I only work with the owner Lee now, but he hasn't been able to fix it.

 

Any recommendations for who in the Denver area can fix this? Or any other ideas? I'd like to get this fixed before the beginning of next season :(

post #2 of 14

difficult to tell without seeing the foot the footbed and the boot what could be going on... couple of things that might be happening

 

edge of footbed impinging on shell (tipping it up)

shell compression from somewhere manifesting itself as pain in the arch

prominent plantar fascia  so that you stand only on this which will cause cramping and a lot of pain

 

does the pain happen when standing around or skiing, is it better or worse with...

different socks

different clip tensions

at different times of day

 

how was the footbed made? seated, standing, no weight on foot at all?

 

 

what adjustments have been made so far?  no point going over old ground if it hasn't worked

post #3 of 14

how is it with the front buckles 100% off (not just loose)?

post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
Last time I went out I made a conscious effort to notice what wasn't fitting. I have my two bottom buckles barely strapped down, with single finger tension if that makes sense. Any tighter and the boots hurt more.

I noticed that I can almost completely curl my toes, I mentioned this to Lee and he said he was thinking that may have been the problem as well. He applied what he called "the gas pedal" which entailed adding a little support under my toes, his reasoning being that I'm lifting up my foot with my toes which may have been causing pain.

mntlion, with my buckles completely off, my boot feels fine. Then again it always feels fine in the shop, it's when I hit the hardback that I'm in pain.

I'm skiing a-basin tomorrow and I'll see if this makes a difference

For some reason, I couldn't reply to this message via tapatalk, but I could reply to other threads. Weird
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by skiNEwhere View Post

Last time I went out I made a conscious effort to notice what wasn't fitting. I have my two bottom buckles barely strapped down, with single finger tension if that makes sense. Any tighter and the boots hurt more.

I noticed that I can almost completely curl my toes, I mentioned this to Lee and he said he was thinking that may have been the problem as well. He applied what he called "the gas pedal" which entailed adding a little support under my toes, his reasoning being that I'm lifting up my foot with my toes which may have been causing pain.

 

 

Do you notice if you are curlling your toes when skiing?

 

 

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Originally Posted by skiNEwhere View Post
 

I bought a custom footbed before last season from "The Custom Foot" in Englewood, CO, and had it fitted there as well after I bought Lange RX 130's. After the initial visit, I've come back 5 more times due to pain underfoot in the arch area. I'm getting pretty frustrated, I don't expect ski boots to be extremely comfortable, but I also expect to be able to buckle them tight enough to get the performance I want, and that is just not happening without being in agony. While the pain and discomfort is not as bad as the first fitting, I feel we've hit a brick wall now.

 

I only work with the owner Lee now, but he hasn't been able to fix it.

 

Any recommendations for who in the Denver area can fix this? Or any other ideas? I'd like to get this fixed before the beginning of next season :(

 

I highlighted the interesting comment in the above quote----if you are "curling your toes" while skiing this will cause the muscles in the bottom of the foot to cramp----if this turns out to be the case, I would look at the amount of space behind your heels when doing a shell check.

 

just a thought.

 

mike

post #6 of 14

work backwards from when the problem started i.e: all fine until i purchased the new boot, or all fine until the footbeds were installed into the new boot, or all fine until i had new footbeds made, etc.

 

one of those 3 scenarios are your problem

 

my money is on all 3 of the 3. and your problem is solvable in the assessment part of the fitting. a fitter worth his salt will assess your foot, your ankle, your footbed, the boots size and shape relative to your foot and lower leg, and the parts of the boot related to how the footbed fits into the boot. 

 

1. just cause you had a custom footbed built by an "expert", does not mean that you had an "expert" build your custom footbed

 

2. the chances of getting the correct size and or model boot to match your foot size, shape, and mobility takes an act of god, or a really good boot fitter.

 

3. finding an "expert" that can actually build a footbed is a hard enough task, but finding an "expert" that can build you a good footbed and has the skills to properly interface that footbed into your boot, well that is like winning the lottery.

 

there has got to be a boot fitter somewhere within a 150 mile radius of your home in CO that can resolve the above 3 points with a proper assessment.

 

good luck

 

jim

post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 
The first time I took the boots out, they hurt so bad that I could only manage one run with the stock liner and footbed. I brought them to the boot fitter that was highly recommended by a few people, and has gotten great reviews on yelp as well. I've gotten the custom footbed and liner (not cheap!)

So the boot has never felt ok since I got it. I brought them to REI and they said I should be in a 27.5 or 28.5, not the 29.5 I'm in.

But everyone has their opinion and I don't want to jump from one shop to another.

Lee took quite a different tactic that I hope works tomorrow. I just hope this isn't shooting in the dark troubleshooting. We'll see
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by skiNEwhere View Post

The first time I took the boots out, they hurt so bad that I could only manage one run with the stock liner and footbed. I brought them to the boot fitter that was highly recommended by a few people, and has gotten great reviews on yelp as well. I've gotten the custom footbed and liner (not cheap!)

So the boot has never felt ok since I got it. I brought them to REI and they said I should be in a 27.5 or 28.5, not the 29.5 I'm in.

But everyone has their opinion and I don't want to jump from one shop to another.

Lee took quite a different tactic that I hope works tomorrow. I just hope this isn't shooting in the dark troubleshooting. We'll see

interesting part highlighted-----So what size are your feet?----measured in centimeters (mondo)

 

have your read through this: http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

 ---pay close attention to how to shell fit a boot and do it to the boots you have.  I think the boots you have are too big and you are trying to grip the bottom of the boot as you ski---try curling your toes

 

while standing for 15 minutes and see it the same pain occurs.  Jim's comments about footbeds and footbed makers are all pertinent.

 

mike

post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
I don't remember my foot size in cm's. I only took those boots to REI to get a second option; they did not actually do any work. They were the ones who thought my boot was too big. I'll try to get my foot size in cm's
post #10 of 14

Place a ruler / tape on the floor in a doorway (no baseboard) and gently touch your heel to the door frame while placing your foot on top of the ruler, how long? (convert inches to cm on www.google.com)

 

mike

post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by skiNEwhere View Post

The first time I took the boots out, they hurt so bad that I could only manage one run with the stock liner and footbed. I brought them to the boot fitter that was highly recommended by a few people, and has gotten great reviews on yelp as well. I've gotten the custom footbed and liner (not cheap!)

So the boot has never felt ok since I got it. I brought them to REI and they said I should be in a 27.5 or 28.5, not the 29.5 I'm in.

But everyone has their opinion and I don't want to jump from one shop to another.

Lee took quite a different tactic that I hope works tomorrow. I just hope this isn't shooting in the dark troubleshooting. We'll see

 

skiNEwhere, you were either sold ( implying that you had an accomplice, like a ski shop employee or boot fitter) or you acquired on your own

( possibly by doing some research on the interwebz) a pair of boots that are not the correct size. with that knowledge it is not a huge jump to assume that those boots regardless of size are not the correct shape or flex for you either. that information will all get sussed out during a proper assessment as indicated in my last post.

 

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Originally Posted by skiNEwhere View Post

I don't remember my foot size in cm's. I only took those boots to REI to get a second option; they did not actually do any work. They were the ones who thought my boot was too big. I'll try to get my foot size in cm's

 

do a proper shell check or measure your foot in cm's and then do a shell check? 

 

let us know how that turns out.

 

jim

post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 
I'm at work right now, I will check that when I get home.

With all the time and money I've invested here, I'm afraid of what my options will be to "rectify" this frown.gif
post #13 of 14

If, as we suspect, your boots are too big----you are not going to resolve this issue with this pair of boots.

 

save the foot beds---they can be cut down to fit a smaller boot

 

see if the shop you bought from will swap out the boots for the correct size, according to a properly done shell check.

 

forget what shoe size you are or what "size" some chart says you should be in --- go by the shell check.  Boots that shell check correctly will feel too tight when you first put them on---they will

 

break in over the first few days of skiing---get them heat molded if possible.  When new they should not feel like bed room slippers.  

 

find a qualified boot fitter!!!

 

mike

post #14 of 14

Almost no one sells boots that are to small and when it happens it is typically by a very good fitter with tools and skills to make it work.  29.5 is not a typical size at all, it equates fought to a size 12.5 or 13 U.S.  Is that you? I'm betting not and that REI is correct and you are a 10 or 10.5 or 27, whatever system you like.   If I'm correct on your sizing and note that everyone else here agrees, find yourself a good boot fitter, your expert is not it and abandon the boots, there is no saving them.

 

Lou

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