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Need help in selecting alpine bindings

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Looks like I have finally narrowed down what ski I would like to buy.  It is between Faction Candide 3.0 or 4frnt Devastator.  So I figured I should start doing some research on bindings.  This forum  has been a great source of info in the past.  How do I go about choosing a alpine binding?  Do bindings effect the way a ski performs?  I am level 6 or 7 skier.  I like skiing powder, bumps, trees, and even started like double blacks.  If I have left out any information, feel free to ask me any questions.

 

thank you for your time and have a great day.

 

Craig

post #2 of 14
hey craig! what's your size? you can go to dinsetting.com to have an idea of you din!

usually a binding that goes up to 12 or 13 would work for most of the people, if you are a big guy you will have to look at 14/16 bindings

if you are in the US give the guys at starthaus a call and they will get you what you need for probably the best price around right now!

I'm a big fan of salomon bindings and I'd think they still have some around, can't go weong with a salomon sth2 13 or 16
post #3 of 14

Buy the cheapest 12+ DIN binding you can get your hands on.  That's often the Look PX/Rossi Axial, but it can vary from time to time depending on who has what in stock.  10 or 11 DIN models usually have a noticeable step down in construction and materials, which is why I say to start by looking at 12 DIN models.  Beyond that, there are differences between binding models, but the differences are subtle and probably aren't going to make much difference to you.  I have Look, Marker and Tyrolia in my quiver and am happy with all of them, and Salomon's always a good choice as well.  Note that Look/Rossi/Dynastar are all the same, Salmon/Atomic are the same, Tyrolia/Head/Fischer are the same, they're just rebranded.

post #4 of 14

^^^^ This, unless you weigh 250. 

post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 

My size is 6' 180 lbs  boot size is 29.5

post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by treeskier1971 View Post
 

My size is 6' 180 lbs  boot size is 29.5

probably around 8 or 9 din, so sth2 13 should be perfect, you can also ski the 16 if you find it cheaper which it's not impossible depending on the deals around.

 

Check out @starthaus, they had an awesome deal on sth2 bindings, maybe you can still find something at a good price.

post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by jaobrien6 View Post
 

Buy the cheapest 12+ DIN binding you can get your hands on.  That's often the Look PX/Rossi Axial, but it can vary from time to time depending on who has what in stock.  10 or 11 DIN models usually have a noticeable step down in construction and materials, which is why I say to start by looking at 12 DIN models.  Beyond that, there are differences between binding models, but the differences are subtle and probably aren't going to make much difference to you.  I have Look, Marker and Tyrolia in my quiver and am happy with all of them, and Salomon's always a good choice as well.  Note that Look/Rossi/Dynastar are all the same, Salmon/Atomic are the same, Tyrolia/Head/Fischer are the same, they're just rebranded.

Z12's are great for kids and light women and will fall apart on any skis over 90mm, they just cannot handle the lateral stress. So not ANY cheap 12 DIN binder. Marker 12's are not too off from the Z12s in build and application. Peak 12's are OK but worth the step up to the new Attack 13. Personally, I don't shortcut on bindings, when buying a better binding, you aren't just buying a bigger spring, you are buying a better housing. 

post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

Z12's are great for kids and light women and will fall apart on any skis over 90mm, they just cannot handle the lateral stress. So not ANY cheap 12 DIN binder. Marker 12's are not too off from the Z12s in build and application. Peak 12's are OK but worth the step up to the new Attack 13. Personally, I don't shortcut on bindings, when buying a better binding, you aren't just buying a bigger spring, you are buying a better housing. 

 

I have heard that before on the Z12's but never skied them.  I obviously defer to your much greater knowledge in this arena, but I haven't personally had any issues at all with the 12 DIN bindings that I've purchased based on price alone (Look PX12 and Head LD12, don't know if that's the same as the Peak12 or not).  They keep me in when I want, they release when I want, and haven't broken yet.  That's pretty much all I ask for in a binding.  Given that, is there really any reason for me to spend more?

 

Edit: That's an actual question in case it wasn't clear, not a snarky rhetorical question.


Edited by jaobrien6 - 4/24/14 at 9:00pm
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Z12's are great for kids and light women and will fall apart on any skis over 90mm, they just cannot handle the lateral stress. So not ANY cheap 12 DIN binder. Marker 12's are not too off from the Z12s in build and application. Peak 12's are OK but worth the step up to the new Attack 13. Personally, I don't shortcut on bindings, when buying a better binding, you aren't just buying a bigger spring, you are buying a better housing.

Phil, I just put Z10s on some 97mm Shoguns because they're relatively light and were pretty inexpensive, and they seem OK on my 87mm Kenjas. I'm not a lightweight and fairly aggressive (at least assertive wink.gif). Could the Z12s be a problem? I've gotten this far in life without serious knee trouble and am pretty safety conscious, so I'd switch them out in a heartbeat if there were a question about their performance.

I'm glad the OP asked the question.This short thread already has more info on bindings than anything I've read yet. All I remember seeing the last time I poked around is that modern bindings are all pretty much reliable, and you only need to worry about beefy construction if you're a big burly expert skier. Obviously I failed to do my due diligence on the issue.
post #10 of 14

Phil is right about the Salomon Z10/Z12 bindings.

Mrs. Grump just had a major failure on the rear binding plate on her Z12 while skiing. The rear binding plate cracked completely across the brake mounting hole. Visual inspection of the binding plate on the other ski also show a crack straight across the plate. Failure of the second binding was imminent. Replaced it with a pair of Marker Griffons.

 

Will definitely stay away from the Z10/Z12 in the future. Bad design, Consider it as a vote of no confidence for those particular models. Better safe than sorry. 

post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by litterbug View Post

Phil, I just put Z10s on some 97mm Shoguns because they're relatively light and were pretty inexpensive, and they seem OK on my 87mm Kenjas. I'm not a lightweight and fairly aggressive (at least assertive wink.gif). Could the Z12s be a problem? I've gotten this far in life without serious knee trouble and am pretty safety conscious, so I'd switch them out in a heartbeat if there were a question about their performance.

I'm glad the OP asked the question.This short thread already has more info on bindings than anything I've read yet. All I remember seeing the last time I poked around is that modern bindings are all pretty much reliable, and you only need to worry about beefy construction if you're a big burly expert skier. Obviously I failed to do my due diligence on the issue.

Step up to a sth12 and you will wh better off in the performance aspect. If you put both on the test bench , they will bot test properly but in real world situations the Sth will perform far superior.
post #12 of 14
Thanks for posting that Phil. I'm currently looking for bindings for the GF's new 2014 Kenja's. Was thinking about Z10Ti W, had not heard much about STH bindings. Finding prices in the $130 range, looking to keep the weight down without spending to much money. She's using a DIN of 6.

Would you recommend that for her? she's a ok level 6 skier. Also think I'd go with a 100mm brake.

My Kendo's have Z12Ti's with a norrow brake and tuning the edges on them is hard, the brake lever gets in the way of the moonflex.

Thanks,
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post

Thanks for posting that Phil. I'm currently looking for bindings for the GF's new 2014 Kenja's. Was thinking about Z10Ti W, had not heard much about STH bindings. Finding prices in the $130 range, looking to keep the weight down without spending to much money. She's using a DIN of 6.

Would you recommend that for her? she's a ok level 6 skier. Also think I'd go with a 100mm brake.

My Kendo's have Z12Ti's with a norrow brake and tuning the edges on them is hard, the brake lever gets in the way of the moonflex.

Thanks,

My wife is a 5.5 din at 130 lbs. She has sth 12 driver on her sambas. Does she need it? Probably not, since I also use the same bindings on my prophet 98 DIN 8, is it better to have? absolutely...

 

sth2/sth driver are bomber bindings that will outlast your skis! I wouldn't think twice and also wouldn't be to worried about a few 100s grams in an alpine setup

post #14 of 14
Salomon should change their web site. http://www.salomon.com/us/product/sth-10.html

High performance binding for lighter weight skiers looking for solid, precise performance.

That reads to me like they are for light weight people not suitable for someone over 150lbs. That's why I haven't given them much attention. reading that, there's no way I'd buy that for me, at 195lbs and a DIN of 9.5.
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