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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Looking for feedback on mid-fat skis with a relatively short turning radius, such as the Line P98 that I skied and fell in love with. Line is phasing the Prophets out, so I thought I look at alternatives in case I can't find a P98 in my size. So far, they include:

Rossi Sin 7

Blizzard Bonafides

Nordica Hell and Back

Dyna Cham 97 (what is the difference in the HM model?)

K2 Annex 98

 

Any and all feedback appreciated. I'm a relative aggressive level 6-7 who lives and skis in PA but has the opportunity to ski a week or 2 out west every year. My P90's are great, but the extra girth of the P98s I skied made a difference. While I'd love to demo before buying, my opportunity to do this is limited, so I will need to take a chance based on reviews and feedback.

post #2 of 17

Maybe the Sick Day 95 or next year's Supernatural 100. Depends on what you weigh. A Head Venturi 95 might be the ticket as well. Keep an eye out for the new Dynastar Power Trak 89... lovely ski.

 

(Hell and Back is gone... standard avec metal Cham 97 is gone, and Sin 7 is gone I believe as well. The Cham HM are still going to be made... same ski, no metal... better ski for most IMHO. )

post #3 of 17

The simple choice is the supernatural, from reviews it's a little stiffer with a stronger backbone compared to the P98, but it doesn't look like it changed too much. Cham and Hell&Back would be very different with the flat tail, the P98 doesn't have too much of a tail rocker, but the twin up tail kinda makes the tail disappear a little bit.

 

Maybe the Kabookie could be a good option, it's going to be a more similar stiffness compared to the (* than the Bonafide which is going to be stiffer and much more demanding.

 

If I was looking for a P98 replacement and was trying to keep much of the same feel I'd go supernatural 100, same length. 

post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the feedback. I'm not averse to buying "old" new gear, and in fact have been looking on line because my local ski shop doesn't seem to have a lot of 2014 leftovers this year.

 

For markojp - I'm close to 200 lbs and my P90s are 179's. I think I would go shorter with other manufacturers since Line's seem to both measure and ski a bit small. Not shorter than 172 though.

 

mfa81 mentions that the flat tail of the Cham or Hell & Back would be a very different feel than the LP's - in what way? I came across a pair of Cham 97's online in what I think is an OK length for me (172cm) and the price is very tempting. I love the forgiving nature of the P90s though . . .

post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by CharlieRN View Post
 

mfa81 mentions that the flat tail of the Cham or Hell & Back would be a very different feel than the LP's - in what way? I came across a pair of Cham 97's online in what I think is an OK length for me (172cm) and the price is very tempting. I love the forgiving nature of the P90s though . . .

 

I'm 5'5" and ~147 and I've been on the Prophet98 172cm for 2 seasons. Not sure which size do you ski them, or maybe you only ski the P90 in 179cm, not the P98.

 

The P98 is more forgiving than the P90, a little softer as well. What I meant was that the tail on the P98 is very forgiving and won't punish you when you get in the backseat, I know because I do that a lot in challenging steep terrain as well as sometimes when landing from jumps, I wouldn't expect the Hell&Back and the Cham 97 to treat you the same way!

 

I've never tried the Hell&Back but I was curious to do and I might even get one if it shows up at the starthaus blem sale over the summer, but I'm looking for a stiffer, less playfull, better carver ski than the P98.

 

But I do love the P98 for off piste, slarving, soft snow, bumps... it's a very forgiving ski and great offpiste in softish snow!

 

If you want an offpiste, softish 98 underfoot ski, you could definitely go for the 186cm depending on how tall you are, sometimes it's not just about weight since the skis might get a little too long to handle in difficult spots even when you are able to bend the skis without much problem! The 179 will be much easier to ski than your 179 P90.

post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 

Any thoughts on the Influence 105 as an alternative? The specs and reviews indicate that it's a relatively forgiving ski with good handling characteristics and though more at home in loose snow, is still a decent performer on groomers and occasional hardpack. I read a review of the Supernatural 100 and Influence 105 done by the same guy, obviously at different times, that was very positive about both. In the SN review, he made many comparisons to the Influence, and there were many more similarities than differences. The biggest difference between the two seemed to be in groomer performance. The reviewer noted that the SN100 was slightly softer then the Influence and so able to carve a "wider variety of turn shapes."

 

I may be talking myself into the I105, but going a little wider than anticipated may not be such a bad thing. Though I live in the east (PA), and ski perhaps a half dozen times each year in the Poconos, that's just to keep my ski legs. Very occasionally, I get to VT for a long weekend. I'm lucky enough to be able to get out west with my ski club for at least a week each season and we hit various spots. This year I hope to stretch things to two weeks. So having a ski that's less than ideal for eastern conditions is not such a big deal because I have most of my fun in the Rockies or Wasatch - and in 2015, the Tetons for at least a week.

post #7 of 17

The 105 will definitely have more backbone than the P98, I think there is a bigger difference between P98 and 105 than SN 100 and 105. 105 will be more of a charger compared to the P98. The P98 has a loose feel, really easy to ski trees and tight spaces, all line skis have a similar feel so they won't be that different!

 

If you are looking for a more soft snow biased and able to charge a bit more, than the 105 might be a good fit, but remember that they are also gone for next year so you might not be able to find your size!

 

The easiest transition woulds till be the SN 100! My guess is that skis like the P98 seem to be going away... Bonafide is more of a charger, CHAM/H&B also stiffer and flat tail, Kabookie is not that different than the Bonafide, SN 100 got stiffer, Experience 98/100 are also much stiffer and flat tail, mantra is much stiffer. I don't know about the Sin 7, not sure if it's similar to the S3 or not. Maybe it's one of the few remaining playful 100mm.

post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
 

The 105 will definitely have more backbone than the P98, I think there is a bigger difference between P98 and 105 than SN 100 and 105. 105 will be more of a charger compared to the P98. The P98 has a loose feel, really easy to ski trees and tight spaces, all line skis have a similar feel so they won't be that different!

 

If you are looking for a more soft snow biased and able to charge a bit more, than the 105 might be a good fit, but remember that they are also gone for next year so you might not be able to find your size!

 

The easiest transition woulds till be the SN 100! My guess is that skis like the P98 seem to be going away... Bonafide is more of a charger, CHAM/H&B also stiffer and flat tail, Kabookie is not that different than the Bonafide, SN 100 got stiffer, Experience 98/100 are also much stiffer and flat tail, mantra is much stiffer. I don't know about the Sin 7, not sure if it's similar to the S3 or not. Maybe it's one of the few remaining playful 100mm.

Thanks. The reason I asked about Influence 105 is that I found a pair of new 2013's at a pretty attractive price - obviously don't have a lot of time to brood since  since as you point out, they've been discontinued.

 

They are 172cm, which is the next size down from my P90s which are 179 and close to ideal for me. At 195 lbs, the 172 length is the one thine thing that concerns me about the Influence, especially since Lines seem to ski a bit shorter than their nominal length. I would guess that the extra girth may offset the length to some degree though.

post #9 of 17

I've just asked you that in the other thread... if I were you I'd go 179 assuming you are comfortable with the P90 the same 179 105 would be a good second ski, I wouldn't go 172, they will be too short for you!

post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 

 

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Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post
 

I've just asked you that in the other thread... if I were you I'd go 179 assuming you are comfortable with the P90 the same 179 105 would be a good second ski, I wouldn't go 172, they will be too short for you!

Unfortunately, 172 is all that's left. And I should have added that my budget doesn't allow more than one ski (I'm counting on selling my P90's in the fall). Maybe it's better to wait and see if a pair 2013/14 P98 or I105 in 179 turn up.

post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by CharlieRN View Post

Unfortunately, 172 is all that's left. And I should have added that my budget doesn't allow more than one ski (I'm counting on selling my P90's in the fall). Maybe it's better to wait and see if a pair 2013/14 P98 or I105 in 179 turn up.

You CAN find a 105 somewhere via the Internet. A ski that is too short isn't saving you a penny. smile.gif

Here's my 10 second search result:

http://www.alpinesportinggoods.com/line-influence-105-skis-2013.html?gclid=CKP-37_59r0CFU5ufgodeHsAmA#.U1ffo8u9KSM
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


You CAN find a 105 somewhere via the Internet. A ski that is too short isn't saving you a penny. smile.gif

Here's my 10 second search result:

http://www.alpinesportinggoods.com/line-influence-105-skis-2013.html?gclid=CKP-37_59r0CFU5ufgodeHsAmA#.U1ffo8u9KSM

^^^this! don't get desperate! This is a good price and the right size!

post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks to both you guys.

 

I'm going to take a step back and think about things. I am very happy with my P90s and the original plan was to take the next logical but small step and go to the P98. You are also both right about the length - I'm comfortable on 179 P90's and should stick with that length.

post #14 of 17

The problem with discontinued skis is that you may not be able to buy them new as everyone has them cleared out. I got a pair of p98 in 172 from starthaus fire sale earlier before I knew they were discontinued. When I told a coworker about it a few weeks later, he tried to get a pair in 179 too and they were sold out almost everywhere.

 

Do you think the p98 will be much different than the p90 in conditions that you will ski them on?

post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by dupersc View Post
 

Do you think the p98 will be much different than the p90 in conditions that you will ski them on?

I demoed both and skied 2 seasons one the P98. The P90 is a little stiffer, better in hardback a little better in crud, P98 feels looser, more nimble, similar rocker, would do better offpiste or in any softish snow!

 

OP said he skis a few weeks in Jackson/SLC I think the P98 would be a better travel ski than the P90, but the P90 would definitely be a better east ski

post #16 of 17

I'm selling my P98's in 179.  They're in good shape.  They come with Salomon STH 14 bindings.  PM me if interested.

post #17 of 17

They aren't really phasing out that ski, they are improving, and renaming it.

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