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post #31 of 50

In recent years 2 girls who grew up at Sun Peaks (both girl's parents own businesses at SP) used their skiing prowess to get scholarships to US universities. One was a partial scholarship but still better than Canadian schools where there are no athletic scholarships.

 

The other young woman is on a scholarship to a school in Vermont where she is the team's leading SL racer and she is also a member of Canada's National Slalom Team. While AFAIK the Vermont scholarship is a full ride, the Canadian National Ski Team involvement is not. For the past several seasons the Sun Peaks community has held fund raisers to help defray our local racer's expenses.

 

It seems that these days only wealthy families or ones located very near a ski area, where kids get to ski every day, are the only ones developing ski racers. Sun Peaks has a two room school house that is accessed via a platter lift and does a slightly longer day than most schools, but only holds classes Monday to Thursday. The Sun Peaks School may not always produce racers, but it will always have skiers and boarders as students.

 

Canada is no longer fielding a Woman's National Downhill Team which is not really a surprise given that they dialed back the speed events training for young kids a number of years ago. Add in the other venues such as skier cross, moguls, aerials, etc., expensive training and less than adequate funding, and I would say the future of some traditional racing events is in trouble in Canada. Canada has also had pretty good Winter Olympic success recently in the aforementioned X Games type skiing events as well as speed skating, tobogganing and other non skiing events drawing even more funding away from traditional ski racing.

 

In the US, with successful racers like Miller, Vonn, Liggety, Shiftner, funding and involvement in traditional ski racing should be on a fairly sound footing, at least compared to Canada, but in terms of money, interest, and participation, lagging way behind the Europeans as it always has.

post #32 of 50
When my daughter was racing, one of her teammates scored a full ride scholarship for four years of college. Good thing, as the family had spent so much on her racing, with costs of the normal circuit and trips to Chile and Europe for training, that they pulled the next two kids out of racing. The money was gone. All the kids were straight A students, so the boys may have gotten scholarships as well for their school sports, but they could easily have spent that money and gotten nothing. Because ski racing doesn't give out the scholarships that soccer and football do.
post #33 of 50
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Not many kids tour, and we're in an area with a lot of touring. They are though, very interested in 'big mountain/steeps skiing'. Every year I have 2-3 kids in a group of 8-12 coming over from the larger local race club. The good thing is, having been coached/drilled a lot, they're very coachable. We're trying to find a way to involve more limited 'brushy' work in our all mountain program and hopefully instructor training as well.

I don't know that racing is dying so much as the economic demographic that can support it is shrinking. Local race day shop sales were up 25% this past season, but I expect it's the Olympic year bounce along with an American 18 year old winning an SL globe more than a long term uptick.

Marko.  Our mountain introduced a big mountain/steeps stream to the program this year and it took some form the race program.  However we also included the coaches in the race coaches training program in an effort to continue the ska basic principles through the programs.  I understand next year that it will be more closely integrated to see the transitions both ways and also to provide greater consistency.  

post #34 of 50
Scots, my next goal (as well as a couple other all mountain coaches) is to do our USSA level 100. The best skiers and coaches have big tool chests and the experience to chose wisely. smile.gif
post #35 of 50
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Scots, my next goal (as well as a couple other all mountain coaches) is to do our USSA level 100. The best skiers and coaches have big tool chests and the experience to chose wisely. smile.gif

 Good to hear Mark.  Always good to see more rounded approaches.  It will be an easy one for you to do, if a one-trick pony like myself can do it!     

 

Most of our race coaching team have PSIA certs as well as USSA 2/300

post #36 of 50

The future of skiing once climate change takes hold:

 

post #37 of 50

It may not be significant, but there was a time 20 years ago when self timed NASTAR courses were at almost every ski area. I have not seen one in several years. If racing is so important I'd think there would be more interest in NASTAR.

post #38 of 50

Many years ago you could get into a course set up by the hill at little or no cost and do fun runs at most of the local hills.  This included the side by side with jump runs that they ran the pro circuit on.

 

Now if you go to a public hill and a course is set up unless you belong to the race school...its off limits......its all about money instead of attracting and addicting skiers.

post #39 of 50

FYI, NASTAR participation numbers were up 8% overall for the season.

 

http://www.nastar.com/articles/nastar-participation-rankings

 

Never give up,

:ski

JF

post #40 of 50
One year does not make a trend. Anyone one have any info going back ten or more years? I looked for it weeks ago, came up empty.
post #41 of 50

I happened upon the NASTAR nationals at Snowmass on a powderish day.  May be purely subjective but most of the participants looked to be from a retired demographic (and some looked rather envious of those of us with fatter skis on our feet given conditions) - hardly the young bright future.

post #42 of 50
Might be more a reflection of who could take the time and spend the money to be there.
post #43 of 50
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The real future of skiing:



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haha. This is what you guys get for all those years of snowboard hatred. Payback!


Did you check out their boots?
post #44 of 50
That's his point, they're skiers.
post #45 of 50
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Might be more a reflection of who could take the time and spend the money to be there.

Indeed or who has the spare time or money to be interested in racing.

 

All those tunes and hi fluoro waxes and opportunity costs of not freeskiing don't come cheap.

post #46 of 50
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opportunity costs of not freeskiing don't come cheap.

Why is it called freeskiing? Did it used to be prison skiing?
post #47 of 50
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That's his point, they're skiers.

 Goes a long way towards explaining why it's so hard to resurrect ballet.

post #48 of 50
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Why is it called freeskiing? Did it used to be prison skiing?

Yeah yeah. You know perfectly well why I used the term here, which is usually just marketing bollux for " skiing".
post #49 of 50

What is freeskiing?

 

I thought once your pass was paid for, then it is freeskiing.

 

Or does it mean that if you don't buy ski lessons then it is it skiing free of the constraints of trying to make the perfect over analyzed ski instructor turn and it is free.

post #50 of 50
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What is freeskiing?

 

I thought once your pass was paid for, then it is freeskiing.

 

Or does it mean that if you don't buy ski lessons then it is it skiing free of the constraints of trying to make the perfect over analyzed ski instructor turn and it is free.

Unstructured skiing, unencumbered by the confines of a lesson or a racelane (with the attendant standing around), what instructors do in their time off (besides screwing in hottubs, bragging about how Steaux is the most rad place in the Multiverse and bitching about tips;).)  Or just skiing as most people understand it.

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