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Nordica El Capo 185 - some camber is a good thing

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stats about me

 

30 years old

180lb

5'10

skier Level 9+ 

 

skier type fast. aggressive, but very very precise. I am a finesse ski with tons of power to back it up

 

 

current quiver

 

173cm Kastle Mx83

177cm Nordica Soul Rider

185cm Blizzard Cochise

185cm Nordica Patron 

186m Rossi Sickle

192cm Rossi WC GS ski

195cm PM Gear Super Bro

 

ski 

 

185cm El Capo 137-107-125 25 meter sidecut mounted with Griffon demo tested on the line and Plus 1, tune was 1/2 I would have prefered 1/3 but it did not seem to matter even on hard snow.

 

I tested these in 185cm at Alta on spring day with everything from groomed hardpack that quickly soften, to good corn a couple inch think, to hardpack/cruddy off piste, to bumps, to deeper over done corn that was not quite sticky. 

 

Upon first skate the first thing you notice is just how light this is compared to the Cochise and I started thinking man maybe this thing is going to get rocked in chopped up snow. Upon pointing in some GS turns down off the high T and just letting it flow though chopped, crud and bumps at a high speed that idea was blown out the window. This ski flat out charges in fact for me it may actually charge harder than the Cochise. Yet it feel light, forgiving down right easy to ski in a 185. 

 

The next couple groomer runs this thing just was point and chute despite growing amounts of crud and loose slush it was just dissappearing. the tip is easier to drive into than the Cochise and the tail is far more supportive than the Cochise or Patron(duh) the most surprising thing about this ski though is just how easy it is and do not mistake that for soft or not going to charge. I could do short swing turns on it and then jsut go in to full on edge locked GS turns and it seriously never missed a beat. The cochise by comparision can be a bear in short turns unless there is a ton of soft snow around. The couple time on refrozen hard pack the ski had great edge hold better than the Cochise due it camber underfoot and tighter sidecut. 

 

In bump despite the fact that you could point it straight and pretty much not ski any bumps, if you want doing short turns down the fall line was easy peasy. I look at bump performance as the ski maker not screwing up and making something "wrong" on ski because bump performance comes down to the skier. This ski is still easier than the cochise. 

 

Next up was deep think corn/slush. I have to be honest this ski did just ok in this condition, I am use to my  patrons and it deep heavy snow its turns out there is no replacement for displacement. This is the one conditions were the line was vastly better than +1. at the line the ski was at least balanced IE the tail or tip did not float anymore than the other at +1 it was difficult to ski as the tip wanted to dive.  the cochise is slightly better here. 

 

no powder to test but judging by the deep corn performance the ski was balanced but not very floaty, I expected it to be passable but not as fun as a bigger ski like the patron. 

 

so basically this thing for me is like a cochise crossed with a soul rider, it feels as light and as playful as the soul rider with a charging ability that the soul rider wishes it had. Or to put another way this ski is a cochise with out feeling like a bear while skiing it. The sidecut feels perfect for all around charging at snowbird/alta. I will probably end up owning this ski next year as I see it way more useable at stowe than the cochise with out really giving up any stabilty or crud busting abilty. My only grip is I was wishing it was better at deeper corn snow, if it was I would have bought the demos at alta for 300 bucks in a heart beat. 

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I am surprised you commented that it felt lighter than a Cochise, I could put them on a scale but would bet dollars to donuts that it is heavier. The Vagabond without it's metal is pretty light and a bit more playful a la the Patron vs. Helldorado. This 185 does run a bit long and is actually closer to a 188. I do think the El Capo is a deceptive ski, it's power is much greater than the flex would let you to believe. Nordica has done a great job with the shape of this design bringing it to 100 and 90 underfoot. Josh, I will let you try the NRGy100 at A-basin, to see if it gives you that feel you are looking for in a Soulrider replacement. 

 

 

EDIT: How did you like the 193 Capo? it is one big ass ski. 


Edited by Philpug - 4/21/14 at 8:07am
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I am surprised you commented that it felt lighter than a Cochise, I could put them on a scale but would bet dollars to donuts that it is heavier. The Vagabond without it's metal is pretty light and a bit more playful a la the Patron vs. Helldorado. This 185 does run a bit long and is actually closer to a 188. I do think the El Capo is a deceptive ski, it's power is much greater than the flex would let you to believe. Nordica has done a great job with the shape of this design bringing it to 100 and 90 underfoot. Josh, I will let you try the NRGy100 at A-basin, to see if it gives you that feel you are looking for in a Soulrider replacement. 

 

 

EDIT: How did you like the 193 Capo? it is one big ass ski. 

 

do you have 185 NRGY 100 ? I am not looking so much for soul rider replacement(I actually love that ski at stowe) as I am looking for a longer soul rider that is stiffer that a 185 NRGY 100 could be it. I have already been on 177cm NRGY 100 and its honestly skied like my soul rider with a slightly longer radius, it would have the same problems in crud and high speed powder the soul rider already has. I need to big one. 

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do you have 185 NRGY 100 ? I am not looking so much for soul rider replacement(I actually love that ski at stowe) as I am looking for a longer soul rider that is stiffer that a 185 NRGY 100 could be it. I have already been on 177cm NRGY 100 and its honestly skied like my soul rider with a slightly longer radius, it would have the same problems in crud and high speed powder the soul rider already has. I need to big one. 

185 NRGy 100's have not been produced yet.
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185 NRGy 100's have not been produced yet.

 

 

not true. the rep at the snowbird National Acadamy had a pair. 

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Production must be starting, as of about a month ago...they weren't in the country yet.
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