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Poll Results: Of these new cars, which would consider buying?

 
  • 0% (0)
    Chevrolet Trax
  • 4% (2)
    Honda HR-V
  • 4% (2)
    Jeep Renegade
  • 45% (20)
    Subaru Outback
  • 22% (10)
    Volkswagen Golf Sportwagen TDI
  • 22% (10)
    None of the above fit my needs
44 Total Votes  
post #91 of 100
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Originally Posted by Eagles Pdx View Post
 

 

But the  AWD Gott Wagens in the ski area parking lot are for display purposes only.  

 

Seriously, you should maybe back off this "display" or "for the neighbors" stuff.

 

I know FAR more people that drive a Prius or similar hybrid for "display" purposes than an AWD car.

 

To each their own.

 

More to the point of the thread, how could Volvo, arguably "the wagon company" for decades, torture all car enthusiasts by bringing over the V60 AND NOT OFFERING A STICK SHIFT?!?!

 

Cruelty beyond the pale!

post #92 of 100
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Originally Posted by HRPufnStf View Post

 

I know FAR more people that drive a Prius or similar hybrid for "display" purposes than an AWD car.

 

Chuckle...doubtful you KNOW anybody who drives a Prius...doesn't sound like your type of folks.  

 

All cars make a statement, Prius's is efficiency, use less oil, cut down greenhouse gases.

 

AWD...who knows...unless you go off road or tow a boat that uses launch ramp, there's no reason for it.  90% of AWD's can't go off road.  99% of them never go off road. Paying more money, more weight, more oil used. I guess it's the image of going off road.

 

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Originally Posted by HRPufnStf View Post

 

More to the point of the thread, how could Volvo, arguably "the wagon company" for decades, torture all car enthusiasts by bringing over the V60 AND NOT OFFERING A STICK SHIFT?!?!

 

With hybrids and EV's. they all use CVT's plus it pretty much has to be automatic to control all the functions. With EV's, no transmission, no gears to shift at all. 

 

But today's ski car, a front wheel drive, traction/stability control, ABS brakes with great snow tires will get you there and back again.

post #93 of 100
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Originally Posted by Eagles Pdx View Post
 

 

1.  Chuckle...doubtful you KNOW anybody who drives a Prius...doesn't sound like your type of folks.   

 

2.  But today's ski car, a front wheel drive, traction/stability control, ABS brakes with great snow tires will get you there and back again.

 

1.  Untrue. But nice try at marginalization.

 

2.  Perhaps, true, but it won't get me out of my own driveway about 20 days a year (coincidentally, 20 of the best ski days per year)!

post #94 of 100
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Originally Posted by HRPufnStf View Post

 

Perhaps, true, but it won't get me out of my own driveway about 20 days a year (coincidentally, 20 of the best ski days per year)!

Well there are the 0.001% who have impossible driveways with snow at the house.  But the 99% in the ski area parking lot never have the AWD activate unless they were doing doughnuts in the snow.

post #95 of 100
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Originally Posted by Eagles Pdx View Post
 

Well there are the 0.001% who have impossible driveways with snow at the house.

 

So that is 1 in 100,000 people?  Not even remotely accurate where I reside.

post #96 of 100
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Originally Posted by HRPufnStf View Post
 

 

So that is 1 in 100,000 people?  Not even remotely accurate where I reside.


But it is nationwide...not everybody has a driveway that only an AWD can get out of without shoveling or plowing.  Nice problem to have I'm sure but vanishing few have it.  Which is probably the image people are buying...they'd like you to think they need the AWD for their off road adventures.

post #97 of 100

Give it up, everybody...PDX is right.  Someone has to be the first to give in, so I guess I'll fall on that AWD sword.

 

Yes, PDX, it's true, I drive an Outback AWD in the Inland NW of N. Idaho exclusively as a status symbol, because, well....so few people own an AWD vehicle around here, much less a Subaru AWD!  It's quite the rarity, and the locals herabouts are just green with envy...Love it!

 

Ahhh, I get such a warm and fuzzy feeling of smug self-righteousness as I cruise around town showing off my Subie AWD to the AWD-less masses of N. Idaho.  I would say I enjoy the envy of my non-AWD neighbors, but I live 10 miles outta town and a mile off the county road, and sadly, I have no visible neighbors at all.

 

Still, I take comfort in knowing that in the wilds of rural N. Idaho, I can bask in the satisfaction of owning a status symbol that no one within 500 miles of me will ever know.  Life is indeed good at the top.  You have us pegged alright.


Edited by Skierish - 5/26/14 at 9:05pm
post #98 of 100
What is funny about this is people debating FWD vs. AWD when both of them can be reduced to 1WD mechanically speaking. It's like arguing whether sex is better wearing two condoms or just one.

That's how you get 14" of snow that doesn't even measure up to the rim of a 14" tire because "pictures are deceiving". Some pictures are deceiving, but a stumpy is still a stumpy no matter how many Magnums you wear.
post #99 of 100
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post
 

Yes, PDX, it's true, I drive an Outback AWD in the Inland NW of N. Idaho exclusively as a status symbol,

 

Auto industry makes a living on image and status. It's what they advertise and people buy.   Subaru included.  Cars are a big part of our self image.  Will Smith in his Prius chasing down Justin Bieber in his Fiskar Karma.

post #100 of 100
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Originally Posted by Eagles Pdx View Post
 


But it is nationwide...not everybody has a driveway that only an AWD can get out of without shoveling or plowing.  Nice problem to have I'm sure but vanishing few have it.  Which is probably the image people are buying...they'd like you to think they need the AWD for their off road adventures.

 

I live in an area where the hills are so steep, even the plows will (and have) crashed into the ditch.  My driveway is tricky enough that even 4WD trucks (ie plows, when I return from a business trip and a Nor'easter passed through), they cannot get up my driveway (and it's a short driveway good for 2 cars long).

 

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Originally Posted by NayBreak View Post

What is funny about this is people debating FWD vs. AWD when both of them can be reduced to 1WD mechanically speaking. It's like arguing whether sex is better wearing two condoms or just one.

That's how you get 14" of snow that doesn't even measure up to the rim of a 14" tire because "pictures are deceiving". Some pictures are deceiving, but a stumpy is still a stumpy no matter how many Magnums you wear.

It's definitely true with the vast majority of FWD, with the open differentials.

 

AWD can be different, depending on the application.  It can be reduced to 2WD with the power going to the slipping wheel at each axle.  Of course, the part-time AWD systems can be reduced to 1WD in certain conditions.

 

Your analogy sucks.  wearing 2 condoms is worse than 1 condom.  wearing 2 condoms can cause both to prematurely fail, so you're really better off wearing none.

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