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Flying blind looking for a narrow hardpack/groomer ski

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I'm kinda rethinking my quiver for next year and adding to it :-)

I was skiing this season on a 172 Line Prophet 98 and a 178 Rocker2 115... 5'5" / 147 skiing mostly Idaho with about 15 days split between LCC and Jackson.

I've just replaced the r2 115 by 176 On3p billy goat, wasn't that unusual for me to feel like I was folding too much the tips od the r2, while I loved the rocker profile it was just a little too soft when I tried to push hard on the tips!

I'm also buying a cochise in 177, loved every time I tested it! The 177 is plenty of ski for me and I like how stiff it is, curious to try the 2015 but probably will live with the current version since there is a bunch of sales going on right now!

I like the P98 but it doesn't do any good for me on really hardpack conditions and groomers, yes it works but just not fun! Also it's a touch too soft for these conditions! I will keep it because I like it!

Now where I need some input, I had no demo time on any ski in this category, I want a ski that's gonna do the job well done on groomers and hardpack off piste! I don't really want a pure carver but also don't care about soft snow performance but if it works better! What I need it to do well is groomers and hardpack offpiste, some bumps and trees when new snow hasn't been in the report for days!

So far what I have seen suggested to people kinda asking for the same is

MX88/83
brahma
kendo

and I'm really growing some interest in the Praxis SND, I like it's a little on the narrower side at 82mm underfoot compared to the 88mm's

not sure if I like the rocker flipcore in the brahma but it could help me out on hardpack offpiste! Not sure about size 173 vs 166

kendo seems perfect on paper, but the 170 might be too much ski for my size and the 163 not enough !?!

MX83 seems good and maybe more ski than the kendo at 163!

MX88 again a size issue, 168 would be the size to go, but I've seen some people a little bigger than me saying it was too much ski!

right now I'm leaning toward the praxis snd 167/stiff which is pretty much the standard layup for the ski, but it's pretty hard to get info about the ski like back to back comparison with other skis in the same category!

any other skis to consider? should I just pull the trigger on the snd 167? Talked to keith Today and he thinks that the 167/stiff would be the right size/layup for my size and what I'm describing!

what you have to say? what have you been using for groomer/hardpack offpiste and are happy with?
Edited by mfa81 - 4/18/14 at 6:03am
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what have you been using for groomer/hardpack offpiste and are happy with?


Head WC SL 165cm
Kastle MX78 178cm
Stockli Spirit OTWO 177cm

Skier: 150lb 5'6"
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what you have to say? what have you been using for groomer/hardpack offpiste and are happy with?

Have been using for the last several years and am very happy with Fischer WC SC 165 cm 13 m radius.   I would probably enjoy the RC (longer radius version) too, but haven't had a chance to try it.  Caveat: if the snow is not fresh and not hard-pack, but set up stiff (say after a dump and couple of days of freeze thaw cycle) they do require you to be on your game off-pist, but pretty forgiving in other conditions.  Excellent short radius hard-packed and ice ski; not the best for deep tracked out soft snow.  Current version is called RC4 Worldcup SC Pro.

 

Also very pleased with my 12 year old Vollant Machette Gs, 190 cm mid 20s Radius.  Perform well and are easy to ski (IMHO).  Not the best for real ice (due to limitations on edge bevels).  Easy button for deep tracked out snow.  I'm pretty sure this is a dated design and there are better skis out there.

 

Also love my old-school SGs for hard snow, but only at high speeds (50+ mph).

 

Experienced skier: 5'9 150 - 165lbs.

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what you have to say? what have you been using for groomer/hardpack offpiste and are happy with?

 

I’m your size at 5'5" and 155.  East coast skier however, and at a mountain that gets plenty of truly bullet proof conditions so my idea of hard pack might be different than yours.   I'm on Elan WF14 in 168 for my hard snow ski...may even go down to the 160 for next year.  The Elan technical skis with 2 sheets of metal seem to just click for me in general and the amphibios have enough of an all mountain vibe that they are pretty versatile.  I also demoed the Elan GLX in 165 which I think is the same(or at least very similar) layup as the WF14s and absolutely loved them. 

FWIW…I would think the Brahma would be a pretty decent fit for what you are looking for.  I demoed the Brahma a few times in 173 and did not feel like it was too much ski for me at all.  I own the Bonafide in 173 and they ski pretty much the same as Brahma from a length perspective.  So if you are familiar with the Bones I would think that they would be a good judge as far as sizing the Brahma.  I also demoed the MX-83 in 173.  They, on the other hand were too long for me.  I felt that they skied on the long side, even relative to other fully cambered skis I have been on.  I couldn't get on the 163...but if I had to guess ...I would suspect the 163 would have been right in my wheelhouse.

If you do get the SND please post a review.  I have not been able to find anything on that ski and would be interested to hear about them.


Edited by DMAS - 4/18/14 at 3:31pm
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I’m your size at 5'5" and 155.  East coast skier however, and at a mountain that gets plenty of truly bullet proof conditions so my idea of hard pack might be different than yours.   I'm on Elan WF14 in 168 for my hard snow ski...may even go down to the 160 for next year.  The Elan technical skis with 2 sheets of metal seem to just click for me in general and the amphibios have enough of an all mountain vibe that they are pretty versatile.  I also demoed the Elan GLX in 165 which I think is the same(or at least very similar) layup as the WF14s and absolutely loved them. 

FWIW…I would think the Brahma would be a pretty decent fit for what you are looking for.  I demoed the Brahma a few times in 173 and did not feel like it was too much ski for me at all.  I own the Bonafide in 173 and they ski pretty much the same as Brahma from a length perspective.  So if you are familiar with the Bones I would think that they would be a good judge as far as sizing the Brahma.  I also demoed the MX-83 in 173.  That, on the other hand was too long for me.  I felt that they skied on the long side, even relative to other fully cambered skis.  I couldn't get on the 163...but if I had to guess ...I would suspect the 163 would have been right in my wheelhouse.

I saw Scott saying the same about the MX83, that it skis long, and the 163 is skiing like the MX88 168 lengthwise!

If you do get the SND please post a review.  I have not been able to find anything on that ski and would be interested to hear about them.

 

Very little info on the SND around at this point, @Dane is one of the guys that I know has the ski, but I think it didn't spend much time on them. He said he has a Brahma back at home to ski as well, so I'm curious to hear back from them on TGR.

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