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post #31 of 58
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Funny guy, Lorenzzo. The only opportunities I recall you having to observe my technique were when you were waiting at the bottom of the run looking waaay back up the hill at me.

Same place, same time next year, PWDR permitting?

Absolutely. I already feel a good snow year coming on.
post #32 of 58

Back to the OP's question... something I don't think has been mentioned is to avoid irregular shaped moguls altogether through line selection.  

 

Always be looking several bumps ahead.  If your line goes bad with irregular shaped moguls or otherwise, slip over to a better line when one is available.  If not, then fall back to the other techniques mentioned.

 

Start by picking a good line from your starting point, then progress to continuing to pick a good lines down the run on the fly.  There is never a good line all the way down a public bump run, so the fun challenge is to try to gracefully ski one that doesn't exist.

post #33 of 58
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OP asked question about skiing certain types of bumps.... then in typical d!ck swagging manner it turns into what a level 3 PSIA can do. I think its safe to say what a level 3 can do and can't do. It's been mention manner times over in this forum.

In Josh's defense, he did give a constructive response to the OP, and then later responded appropriately for someone of his ability and experience to the Barnes quote: "you have to match your tech and speed to the people who made those moguls".

 

IMO that advice of Barnes will teach survival only, not progression. What if the people who made those moguls suck?

post #34 of 58
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

Back to the OP's question... something I don't think has been mentioned is to avoid irregular shaped moguls altogether through line selection. 

 

Always be looking several bumps ahead.  If your line goes bad with irregular shaped moguls or otherwise, slip over to a better line when one is available.  If not, then fall back to the other techniques mentioned.

 

Start by picking a good line from your starting point, then progress to continuing to pick a good lines down the run on the fly.  There is never a good line all the way down a public bump run, so the fun challenge is to try to gracefully ski one that doesn't exist.

 

Good call Tball. As much difficulty I have actually skiing the bumps I have equal difficulty choosing a good line. I usually just stare down at the top for awhile thinking about it then get frustrated and just go. I'm hoping a camp will really help with this aspect as well...

post #35 of 58

agreen, that vision for your line will come with time and experience. Camp should help as well, but I guess it depends on who's teaching and the curriculum. I don't know much about the Bob Barnes camps, but just found that one quote kind of suspect, also, Bob needs to pull his chin off his chest and look further downhill. Mogul Logic is another option at Winter Park, and Chuck Martin is an excellent coach and skier.

 

I've had the pleasure of watching Chuck ski every kind of bump shape, and make odd-spaced/shaped garbage look like perfect zippers. If there's anyone I would recommend to follow in the bumps to hone your line selection skills, it would be Chuck.

post #36 of 58
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Originally Posted by MT Skull View Post
 

In Josh's defense, he did give a constructive response to the OP, and then later responded appropriately for someone of his ability and experience to the Barnes quote: "you have to match your tech and speed to the people who made those moguls".

 

IMO that advice of Barnes will teach survival only, not progression. What if the people who made those moguls suck?

 

I agree that Barnes will teach you survival mode however just being confident in the bump is the start of progression. Skiing them in the balance stance doesn't come to most by shear will alone.... most need time to get the mileage in. 

 

 

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agreen, that vision for your line will come with time and experience. Camp should help as well, but I guess it depends on who's teaching and the curriculum. I don't know much about the Bob Barnes camps, but just found that one quote kind of suspect, also, Bob needs to pull his chin off his chest and look further downhill. Mogul Logic is another option at Winter Park, and Chuck Martin is an excellent coach and skier.

 

I've had the pleasure of watching Chuck ski every kind of bump shape, and make odd-spaced/shaped garbage look like perfect zippers. If there's anyone I would recommend to follow in the bumps to hone your line selection skills, it would be Chuck.

 

Going to Martin's camp is what I would strongly recommend... he runs and coaches excellent camps 

 

Something to keep in mind, it relates to skiing garbage shape bumps and making them look perfect zippers... you have to ski tall to begin with. The vid below shows what I mean. The guy has awesome absorption/extension but what blows me away is how he weight shifts and throws in an extra turn just to hit his line. That does not happen overnite. 

 

 

 

 

 

Some would say that skiing direct in irregular shapes is mogul skiing and all else is survival mode. However most if not all have left this site. 

post #37 of 58
I want to see that guy skiing bumps like that in 50 years, when he's my age.

I use something like Freeski's green line without the air and speed.
post #38 of 58
^Chris was a good friend, a great skier, and left us too soon at age 31, after battling cancer for something like 6 years.

Funny that you would post that video unsolicited as I shot most if it and edited all of it. Went to the guy's funeral New Year's Eve Y2K, cried my eyes out. Didn't watch the video again for a year, and then cried my eyes out again.

RIP Soucy
post #39 of 58
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Going to Martin's camp is what I would strongly recommend... he runs and coaches excellent camps 

 

OK. I'm on it as soon as they post their 2015 dates!

post #40 of 58
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Going to Martin's camp is what I would strongly recommend... he runs and coaches excellent camps

 

OK. I'm on it as soon as they post their 2015 dates!

 

I'm definitely interested.

post #41 of 58

See you there! :D

post #42 of 58
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^Chris was a good friend, a great skier, and left us too soon at age 31, after battling cancer for something like 6 years.

Funny that you would post that video unsolicited as I shot most if it and edited all of it. Went to the guy's funeral New Year's Eve Y2K, cried my eyes out. Didn't watch the video again for a year, and then cried my eyes out again.

RIP Soucy

 

 

First, my condolences. If there is any solace, what you did was capture what an amazing skier Chris Soucy was. There's more than a handful of hardcore bumpers who appreciate that type of skiing and thank you for making such a  beautiful vid. 

post #43 of 58
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First, my condolences. If there is any solace, what you did was capture what an amazing skier Chris Soucy was. There's more than a handful of hardcore bumpers who appreciate that type of skiing and thank you for making such a  beautiful vid. 
Thanks. I have tons of great video and memories from those days. Probably should upload more of it.
post #44 of 58
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Thanks. I have tons of great video and memories from those days. Probably should upload more of it.

 

That era of skiing was considered the golden age of mogul skiing. Killington was the meca for that sport. Please upload more, it will give the present day two plank park rats more history of what freestyle is all about. And to the people new to this sport what can be done in the mogul fields. 

post #45 of 58
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Thanks. I have tons of great video and memories from those days. Probably should upload more of it.

MT, it would be super if you would post more video.  No Sleep Till K-Town is one of my all-time favorite inspirational videos for mogul skiing & would be super to see more.

 

Peace

post #46 of 58

So I just looked at what I have on Youtube, and it seems like most of the older stuff is very poor quality. I have the originals bumped up to DVD and will upload as time allows. There were actually 7 years of No Sleep till K-town ('96-2002), so no small feat. Here's one to tide you over...

 

post #47 of 58

So apparently I need some new software to be able to upload the videos individually. In the mean time, here's No Sleep Till K-town 3 in entirety. Sorry for the breaks, only way I could upload.

 

This is arguably the best of the 7 year series, but I'll be working on uploading the others, if only for comparison purposes.

post #48 of 58

haha... luv it!

 

Some of them sporting shorter poles. Seeing the tweaks in techniques from seeded to skier made bumps. Things changed when Dale Begg Smith made his Torrino run and just nailed it on the lower line and set the presidence for skiing them low.  I missed the times when they skied them higher in the bumps and contoured the backside.

 

I might be done for the season, having those vids around eases things a bit. 

post #49 of 58
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This is arguably the best of the 7 year series, but I'll be working on uploading the others, if only for comparison purposes.

MT - Who's the skier at 0:34 in Part 2? Jacket with blue shoulders, white middle
post #50 of 58

^Chris "Stopher" Brun. I think he won mogul challenge twice in '95-'96 maybe. I was in his ski house for something like 7 years, and chasing him around the mountain definitely improved my game.

post #51 of 58

Awesome vids, thanks for posting.  Brun has super balance.  Dynamic!

 

Interesting to see the evolution of mogul technique from the earliest days, to the late 90s period here (beautiful early weight shift, deep absorption & strong extension, double-turns, still mostly working on the front of the bump), to the newer technique nowadays (i.e. current Canadians, Hannah etc. - focus on carving the backside, forward balance, absorption still deep but extension softer/passive, constant ski-to-snow contact).  The timing of the turn has moved about half a bump later, gets the backside carve so much easier but the basic elements are the same.

post #52 of 58

yep...those k town vids shows some really nice weight shifts and double turns. Even in seeded runs, the formation gets a little funky, so those movements are still as important. 

 

btw... in terms of one way to get early, talk to cj about toby dawson's reverse knee. 

post #53 of 58

Ya, cj and I talked about reverse knee a bit this season.  The bigger thing I've been working on is just getting the whole weight shift smoother & cleaner.  I was throwing my hip a lot and now I've started leading with my shoulder instead of the hip.  This seems to get the whole body over the new ski much cleaner (single quick motion), and keeps everything lined up nice & vertical.  So then the ski tips engage right away as soon as you have the weight shifted over, and the early turn bites in & pressures nicely  :)

 

Some of the freaky things as the technique gets cleaner is how much faster you go, and how much less effort it is.  Started on bumps 5-6 years ago and I was sweatin' hard every run.  Now you kinda go flyin' down and it's weird but you hardly get warm cause you're working so much less.

post #54 of 58

Well, I'm still dicking around with trying to convert the old DVD's, but here's some uber-compressed copies of some of the later vids in the series...

 

 

The below vids are from the last K-town movie; 7. By this time I was on 1080 moguls, had gone down to a 180cm, from 195-200cm straight skis, and also picked up a pair of the original 1080's which at the time seemed fat. I want to say that by this time I was using more of the front of the ski, and keeping in better contact with the snow, but old habits die hard. I think I'm better at keeping my skis on the snow, and staying out of the back seat now, but I'm also 10+ years older, so at least some of it's just self-preservation.

 

 

post #55 of 58

OK, a few more from the collection...

 

post #56 of 58

DAMN SNOWBOARDERS CAUSE THOSE ASSHAT MOGULS!!! Deer Valley and Alta, Utah, where snowboarders are banned, STILL have the sweet, nicely carved moguls from the days before the dirtbags!

post #57 of 58
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DAMN SNOWBOARDERS CAUSE THOSE ASSHAT MOGULS!!! Deer Valley and Alta, Utah, where snowboarders are banned, STILL have the sweet, nicely carved moguls from the days before the dirtbags!

 

 

ummm really? alta bumps suck sorry but they are made by defensive heel pushing people on short skis, and are just not that that fun to ski. Ill take the bird large big round bumps anyday not to mention the longer vertical and steeper runs. 

post #58 of 58
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DAMN SNOWBOARDERS CAUSE THOSE ASSHAT MOGULS!!! Deer Valley and Alta, Utah, where snowboarders are banned, STILL have the sweet, nicely carved moguls from the days before the dirtbags!

 

 

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ummm really? alta bumps suck sorry but they are made by defensive heel pushing people on short skis, and are just not that that fun to ski. Ill take the bird large big round bumps anyday not to mention the longer vertical and steeper runs. 

Blaming snowboarders and hack skiers for your inability to ski bumps; so 1998.

I couldn't link two decent bump turns on closing day at the Luv last Sunday. Hint: it wasn't the bumps.  

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