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Props to the Boot Dr Telluride, Bob Gleason, alignment, canting, foot beds, You are the Master!!

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WARNING, THE PICTURES ARE GRAPHIC AND I HAVE THE POSSIBLY WORST FEET IN AMERICA. VIEW AT YOUR OWN RISK!

 

 

I broke my right leg at the tib, fib, and ankle 5 years ago. The result was my right foot turned out around 15 degrees. I have been canted and aligned by the best all over the US and after being rechecked I stayed the same except my right leg being 3/8 shorter needed a lift and my binding had to be abducted or turned to the right to match my right foot. That was the best they could do in surgery putting my leg back together.I needed a wider ski to have room to turn the binding and no demos or borrowing my buddies skis for me. I have been skiing that way for around 3 years and I always wondered if there was a way I could ski with my right binding straight. I am a L7-8 skier and I ski with the old Austrian style of feet close. I skied well but had a little hitch in my left turn. After a search of the best alignment person I could find someone here suggested the Boot Dr in Telluride. I read up on Bob Gleason, co-owner and he started the Master Boot Fitting group. I called him on the phone and made a appointment. I arrived in Telluride from Columbus Ohio with our ski club and skied for 2 days before my appointment. Bob spent about an hour checking my alignment and as you can see with my right foot almost straight,m  my right knee is touching my left knee. No way anyone could ski this way. In addition I have horrible bunions and my toes have always been pointed out from this. 

Bob works another hour and builds new foot-beds for me, building in the heel lift on my right foot. As you can see at this point my right knee is more in alignment already. Bob made me wear those ugly shorts! I told you my feet were ugly?

Bob spends another hour canting and aligning me and the result is 1 degree left inside and 5 degrees right inside. The boot wont even stand up by itself. Bob says in all his years he has only done one other skier at 5 degrees.

The master himself.

My right binding is re-drilled straight and everything is ready for pickup the next morning. I jump into the skis, I don't think I will be able to make a left turn but everything feels comfortable so I hop on the lift for a run. I am a good carver, I become comfortable after about 5 minutes and I put on some speed and realize I was never carving my right ski tip to tail. I am dialed in, nailed on rails and I start to do high speed carves as fast as the 177 Kendos will take me. I am feeling so in control. My skiing is back to before the accident and maybe better.

Right Turn

Left Turn

(On my left turn I am purposely spraying up a little snow for the camera.)

I am so appreciative of Bobs work. He spent a total of 4 hours on me. Over a couple of days we made minute adjustments but I was just in heaven. It was really cool being in that shop. I worked in a ski shop for many years. All of Bobs techs know what they are doing. Everyone working there is having fun and learning. Its is a special shop run by a special guy. I do not think many alignment techs could do what Bob did for me. Thanks to Epic members for suggesting the shop and thanks to Bob and crew for a amazing job. I appreciate everything you did for me. 

Fred, 66 years young and still loving skiing. 

post #2 of 29
Dude, your big toe's point in the wrong direction.... What the hack is wrong with you..wink.gif


Glad to hear you got to the right guy. Yes. it's truely amazing what a great boot fitter can do.
Edited by Max Capacity - 4/16/14 at 11:29am
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Thanks for the great blog on our session aligning your boots.  It was a pleasure working with you.  The reward for me is seeing you having the time of your life skiing in Telluride!  

Powder to the People!

Bob

post #4 of 29
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I am thinking of cutting the Toe off but Bob wouldn't do it
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Dude, your big toe's point in the wrong direction.... What the hack is wrong with you..wink.gif


Glad to hear you got to the right guy. Yes. it's truely amazing what a great boot fitter can do.
post #5 of 29
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I am thinking of cutting the Toe off but Bob wouldn't do it

 



The thought of that makes me shiver...

A long time ski buddy has a couple huge hammer toe's and a couple of bones that bump out from the side of his feet.

I feel soooo lucky....smile.gif


Oh, now stop dropping your inside shoulder, your loosing edge angle.
post #6 of 29
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You are so welcome
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Thanks for the great blog on our session aligning your boots.  It was a pleasure working with you.  The reward for me is seeing you having the time of your life skiing in Telluride!  
Powder to the People!
Bob
post #7 of 29
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thanks for pointing that out but I don't understand it I have just made a pole plant explain to me what I'm wrong and how to correct it
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I am thinking of cutting the Toe off but Bob wouldn't do it

 



The thought of that makes me shiver...

A long time ski buddy has a couple huge hammer toe's and a couple of bones that bump out from the side of his feet.

I feel soooo lucky....smile.gif


Oh, now stop dropping your inside shoulder, your loosing edge angle.
post #8 of 29
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I mean just standing in my living room dropping my shoulder and then bring it back level it feels like I'm putting more pressure on the outside ski when my shoulders are level.
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Wow, that's quite something Bob had to deal with. 5 degrees cant. Never heard of that either. You can see that in the left turn your lower leg is all gunked up but the skis are tracking nicely. Looks like Bob did a great job.

post #10 of 29
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Thanks Tog, but what does gundled up mean? You are right, I am spraying a little snow for the camera but normally I have clean carve tracks.
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Wow, that's quite something Bob had to deal with. 5 degrees cant. Never heard of that either. You can see that in the left turn your lower leg is all gunked up but the skis are tracking nicely. Looks like Bob did a great job.
post #11 of 29

It's the way your right knee is so far in and also the right shin looks twisted and bows out.

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got it, well at least I'm somewhat effectivee
Edited by levy1 - 4/17/14 at 4:23am
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Thanks for the great blog on our session aligning your boots.  It was a pleasure working with you.  The reward for me is seeing you having the time of your life skiing in Telluride!  
Powder to the People!
Bob

Hey Bob,

Welcome aboard (finally)

We met at Masterfit a couple of times and tried to catch you in Taos this season. You had just left for SIA. I think the first time we met, Greg was running around showing you all my original vintage cork, superfeet customs.

DC
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thanks for pointing that out but I don't understand it I have just made a pole plant explain to me what I'm wrong and how to correct it

 



If you put the picture in the Instructors forum you'll get better feed back.

The basic idea is to be reaching down the hill more with the down hill hand. By doing that you kind of form the letter C with your downhill side, from the knees up your side and under your arm. When done correctly that puts more pressure on the inside edges, a result of driving your knees towards the snow.

It's just one of the many pieces to the puzzle. Someone who is "more better" at instruction could explain it a lot better.
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post

thanks for pointing that out but I don't understand it I have just made a pole plant explain to me what I'm wrong and how to correct it

 



If you put the picture in the Instructors forum you'll get better feed back.

The basic idea is to be reaching down the hill more with the down hill hand. By doing that you kind of form the letter C with your downhill side, from the knees up your side and under your arm. When done correctly that puts more pressure on the inside edges, a result of driving your knees towards the snow.

It's just one of the many pieces to the puzzle. Someone who is "more better" at instruction could explain it a lot better.
Thanks, I posted , which is the downhill arm.
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Thanks, I posted , which is the downhill arm.

 



In that picture, your right one still. As you continue thru the arc and make your next right turn then the left hand becomes the downhill hand. As you can see in the picture above it.

Your hands do appear to be driving forward, so that's good.

There are many piece to the puzzle, nice to see you want to keep after them.
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Thanks, I posted , which is the downhill arm.

 



In that picture, your right one still. As you continue thru the arc and make your next right turn then the left hand becomes the downhill hand. As you can see in the picture above it.

Your hands do appear to be driving forward, so that's good.

There are many piece to the puzzle, nice to see you want to keep after them.

Hopefully at 66 I can still learn!

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Hopefully at 66 I can still learn!

 



From being in multiday lesson's with others it's easy to see those they want to learn and those that don't. If you want it and practise it will happen. That's one of the great things about skiing, the more you put in, the more you get out it.
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Thanks for the great blog on our session aligning your boots.  It was a pleasure working with you.  The reward for me is seeing you having the time of your life skiing in Telluride!  

Powder to the People!

Bob

 

 

A big Epicski welcome to Bob Gleason!  Hope you stick around and work with the Boot Guys on here.

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Levy1, I'm glad to see you post this and can't agree with you more about the great work by Bob. 

 

One thing that popped into my mind was the thread where you're talking about your stance and I thought I'd add this tidbit from my own alignment experience with a great bootfitter and getting my alignment nailed. 

 

We were talking about hand position in your other thread, as well as over all stance.  I have worked on some similar things and found that it was easier to get my feet farther apart, which was necessary to get more on edge, and thus a better stance.  This started to come together and get easier for me after I got my alignment sorted out. 

 

Cool stuff, really. 

post #21 of 29

And I'm pleased to say that we've added Bob Gleason @BootDr1 to Ask the Boot Guys.

 

Thanks for bringing him into the Epicski conversation.

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That's great. Welcome Bob!

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Enjoyed reading this as I am also a member of the exclusive 5 degree club.  Just got this handled last season, 2012-13 by Mark Serwe at Big Snow Outfitters in Bessemer, MIchigan. He said I was the first he had ever seen that far out. 

 

Mark had made me a set of footbeds (Superfeet Corks) and after I skied them I went back to him and said now I have trouble turning to the left - my right ski was catching the inside edge consistently.  He said we need to do an alignment check to see what's going on and discovered the 5 degree discrepency. He shimmed under my binding and yet another excuse for my poor skiing was removed.  WOW! What a difference with custom footbeds and an alignment.  Something I should have done long ago. I spent a ton of money on off the shelf footbeds before finally having it done right.  Thanks Mark.

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@levy1  I broke my right shin when I was 16 and had a full leg cast which did not correctly align my knee ankle joint.   Not off as far as you, but definitely off.  I've never had boot work done and other than foot beds in my newest boots and I've always done a cuff alignment by myself in a mirror.

 

After 33 years of dealing with it in this sport and every other sport that I have participated in I have learned to compensate and adjust.  However,  understanding you issue is easy as when I ski on one leg (practice) on the right it takes significantly more concentration than the left and I am right handed.  So having the boot fitted was a great idea and worth the effort.  For me unfortunately, it is not hindering me as it stands and might actually cause more problems than it solves due to the fact that I have adjusted.

 

BTW I'm Austrian and my dad drilled in most of the Austrian skiing in when I was young, so I know what you are talking about.

 

Let me share a tight stance video done by a CSIA 4 instructor and you won't feel so bad.  I used this on a level 3 who made fun of me when I skied legs together, until I cranked it on SL skis complete with race proper stance.  No comments about stance after that :D.    Remember they fail to ask the question "Why do you ski like that? Answer:  Because I CAN !"

 

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Enjoyed reading this as I am also a member of the exclusive 5 degree club.  Just got this handled last season, 2012-13 by Mark Serwe at Big Snow Outfitters in Bessemer, MIchigan. He said I was the first he had ever seen that far out. 

Mark had made me a set of footbeds (Superfeet Corks) and after I skied them I went back to him and said now I have trouble turning to the left - my right ski was catching the inside edge consistently.  He said we need to do an alignment check to see what's going on and discovered the 5 degree discrepency. He shimmed under my binding and yet another excuse for my poor skiing was removed.  WOW! What a difference with custom footbeds and an alignment.  Something I should have done long ago. I spent a ton of money on off the shelf footbeds before finally having it done right.  Thanks Mark.
glad to hear you got aligned a lot of people need it but very seldom know how to check for it
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@levy1  I broke my right shin when I was 16 and had a full leg cast which did not correctly align my knee ankle joint.   Not off as far as you, but definitely off.  I've never had boot work done and other than foot beds in my newest boots and I've always done a cuff alignment by myself in a mirror.

 

After 33 years of dealing with it in this sport and every other sport that I have participated in I have learned to compensate and adjust.  However,  understanding you issue is easy as when I ski on one leg (practice) on the right it takes significantly more concentration than the left and I am right handed.  So having the boot fitted was a great idea and worth the effort.  For me unfortunately, it is not hindering me as it stands and might actually cause more problems than it solves due to the fact that I have adjusted.

 

BTW I'm Austrian and my dad drilled in most of the Austrian skiing in when I was young, so I know what you are talking about.

 

Let me share a tight stance video done by a CSIA 4 instructor and you won't feel so bad.  I used this on a level 3 who made fun of me when I skied legs together, until I cranked it on SL skis complete with race proper stance.  No comments about stance after that :D.    Remember they fail to ask the question "Why do you ski like that? Answer:  Because I CAN !"

 


Great Video, thank you!

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Gee, now I can stop telling people it took years to perfect my narrow stance and start defending its "quickness and mobility". Liking that. :-)
post #28 of 29
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exactly!!! Takes a lot of heat off of us.
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post

thanks for pointing that out but I don't understand it I have just made a pole plant explain to me what I'm wrong and how to correct it
 

 



If you put the picture in the Instructors forum you'll get better feed back.

The basic idea is to be reaching down the hill more with the down hill hand. By doing that you kind of form the letter C with your downhill side, from the knees up your side and under your arm. When done correctly that puts more pressure on the inside edges, a result of driving your knees towards the snow.

It's just one of the many pieces to the puzzle. Someone who is "more better" at instruction could explain it a lot better.

Which is exactly what I did and after the beat down I went to Sunday River for a week of lessons. I immediately changed my angulation within a couple of hours and I am a totally different skier now with control at any speed and slope which I did not have before. Thanks again,

Fred

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