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Monday at Copper was a 6 inch powder day.  By the early afternoon, the main runs were completely skied out with small partially compacted piles of snow all over the runs.  I noticed several skiers wedging straight down the fall line of several blue runs.  At first I thought they were beginner skiers but I noticed that they were actually advanced skiers and were wedging as a form of grooming.  Based on a lot of tracks later in the day, I assume they came back and straight lined the run over and over.  I haven't noticed this before, Is this a common practice?

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Monday at Copper was a 6 inch powder day.  By the early afternoon, the main runs were completely skied out with small partially compacted piles of snow all over the runs.  I noticed several skiers wedging straight down the fall line of several blue runs.  At first I thought they were beginner skiers but I noticed that they were actually advanced skiers and were wedging as a form of grooming.  Based on a lot of tracks later in the day, I assume they came back and straight lined the run over and over.  I haven't noticed this before, Is this a common practice?


Last Saturday was the end the season here and a 50 degree day on the mountain.  We had a whole posse of folks all over the mountain but I spent most of the morning with my daughter on her third real ski day ever and third day this year.  The conditions were total mashed potatoes and cement clumps all around.  I lead with a HUGE wedge so she could follow in my wake and have smoother snow to work her timid wedge in.  It worked pretty well;)

 

I was able to get some solo runs in while she ate lunch.  Over on the steeper, south facing terrain the slush was boot deep.  I got face shots of corn splashing up when I skied pretty fast.  hahahaha..

 

Back on man powered grooming, folks have side slipped and boot packed trails since the dawn of skiing.  We did it all the time in the back hills of Minnesota when I was a young teen.

post #3 of 22

That's ridiculous.  Anybody doing that on a 6" powder day.... is doing it wrong.   And on a Monday no less.  Makes me sad for them.

post #4 of 22
Stay off my lawn!
post #5 of 22

I often do this for students but generally I am not pissing of the other beginners off and the easy slopes.  whats nice is they can learn to turn from the banks and makes the balance transfer to the outside ski happen for them right away. 

post #6 of 22

A few years ago on the last day of the season at Solitude we had about 10 inches overnight.  The sun came out and heavied up the snow, by afternoon it was pretty bumped up on our traditional last run of the season (Postcard).  Tradition dictates our last run of the season is a straightline, so about four of us sideslipped a ski wide path down the middle paring down the bumps.  We all went back up again and did the traditional straightline to end the season.  (We were all going about 90mph by the bottom, ;))

post #7 of 22

^^^ Well that explains it.  They were not happy with their straighline speed reading on their phone app!

 

Guess I shouldn't complain.  Whatever keeps folks busy somewhere else on a powder day!

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A few years ago on the last day of the season at Solitude we had about 10 inches overnight.  The sun came out and heavied up the snow, by afternoon it was pretty bumped up on our traditional last run of the season (Postcard).  Tradition dictates our last run of the season is a straightline, so about four of us sideslipped a ski wide path down the middle paring down the bumps.  We all went back up again and did the traditional straightline to end the season.  (We were all going about 90mph by the bottom, ;))

On the phone app?:)

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Monday at Copper was a 6 inch powder day.  By the early afternoon, the main runs were completely skied out with small partially compacted piles of snow all over the runs.  I noticed several skiers wedging straight down the fall line of several blue runs.  At first I thought they were beginner skiers but I noticed that they were actually advanced skiers and were wedging as a form of grooming.  Based on a lot of tracks later in the day, I assume they came back and straight lined the run over and over.  I haven't noticed this before, Is this a common practice?


What part of the mountain?  I was probably not there (in a wedge).  Pretty much was wet cement by 13:00hr. 

 

Sort of upset to see all the fresh snow under (closed) Resolution Lift.

 

Wednesday AM the super soft snow on '000' was skiing like custard.

 

Today conditions were great the higher you went.

 

Great spring conditions.

post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

^^^ Well that explains it.  They were not happy with their straighline speed reading on their phone app!

 

Guess I shouldn't complain.  Whatever keeps folks busy somewhere else on a powder day!

Oh cool, so they can get their speed from an app on their phone.  How accurate is that? ;)

post #11 of 22
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Oh cool, so they can get their speed from an app on their phone.  How accurate is that? ;)

Maybe we need a new thread for that.....:deadhorse:

post #12 of 22
Snowboarders groom better. :-]
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by nathanvg View Post
 

 I noticed several skiers wedging straight down the fall line of several blue runs.  At first I thought they were beginner skiers but I noticed that they were actually advanced skiers and were wedging as a form of grooming.  Based on a lot of tracks later in the day, I assume they came back and straight lined the run over and over.  I haven't noticed this before, Is this a common practice?

 

Racers will "slip" a course in a wedge like that. A row of wedgers is one way to fill in the ruts after a race. 

post #14 of 22
Before snow cats skiers would groom a run by slipping it.
post #15 of 22

...Or by side stepping up and then slipping down.  Been there, done that a long long time ago.

post #16 of 22

They still side step up the Highlands Bowl to pack it early season for Avy stability.

Talk about crazy. But it's useful work instead of wearing out a machine at the gym I guess. Plus you can earn lift tickets.

post #17 of 22
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They still side step up the Highlands Bowl to pack it early season for Avy stability.

Talk about crazy. But it's useful work instead of wearing out a machine at the gym I guess. Plus you can earn lift tickets.

 

Those Coloradans are tough!  Sidestepping up a steep hill in deep snow is like, really, really hard.  

 

Here in JH they used to have people earn tickets by ski-packing the Headwall, but they booted up a boot track and then sidestepped down.  

post #18 of 22
Most of the packing in Highland Bowl is boot packed. Walking up and down 40* slopes in waist deep snow is brutally hard.
post #19 of 22
Sorry yes that was incorrect. Boot packed! Still crazy. You've got to put in 5 full days to get voucher. Plus you get hurt you're not covered

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http://highlandspatrol.com/bootpack/
post #20 of 22
15 days to get a full pass. It's young man's work. Boyd's the only guy over 50 that I know that does it for the full pass.
post #21 of 22
It can't be good for the feet. 15 days of walking up and down! Crazy.
post #22 of 22

So which do you think is worse? Highlands or Silverton?

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/21025-Silverton-Bootpacking-Pics

 

I'm leaning towards Silverton, but I think the deal there is a day of packing is worth a comp day on the mountain, as opposed to needing 40 hours of work to get anything...

 

Lots more opportunity to pack the mountain with your face and body cartwheeling down a 45* chute at Silverton...

 

Edit- I stole the link from TGR. No relation to the people in that post that obviously want it more than me.

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