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Is 30 the new 23?? Short reviews of New FIS women’s GS skis from Atomic, Volkl, Head, Fischer and Stockli

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OK, i have been promising this for a few weeks but finally got around to it!

 

Tester Stats:  59y/o, 165, 5'8"

Days /Year 50-100

Level:  USSA L100 coach, Far West Masters Class 7 overall winner, 2011/12 and 2013/14

Years Racing: 10 (6 seriously :) )

Boots: Atomic RT TI 130 (cut to ~ 120)

 

Skis Tested:

2014 Volkl Speedwall FIS GS, 188/30, Marker piston Plate, marker 20 Comp binding

2014 Head World Cup Rebels, 188/30, Head Powerflex Plate, Head Freeflex Pro 16 Bindings

2014 (with 2013 graphics!) Atomic Redster WC GS, 188/30, D2 plate, Atomic X16 bindings

2013 Fischer World Cup GS, 188/30, Fischer Powerflex Plate, Fischer X18 freeflex bindings

 

Test Conditions: various groomed Western snow

 

As many of you have probably realized by now I have a weakness for GS skis (witness Gear Swap!) and am constantly trying different versions in the elusive search for the ultimate GS ski.  Over the last few years I have tried various different brands sizes in 183/23, 183/27, 186/27, 188/27 and 191/27.  However for the last 3 seasons I have kept coming back to my current favorite, the Blizzard WC GS 182/25, which has been pretty successful for me with lots of class wins, podiums and 2 Far West Masters class championships (I have used the 2011, 2012 and 2103 versions at various times).  It is a ski that seems to work for me and I have always found them to have some of the fastest bases.  However with the changes in FIS regulations, supplies of these are getting pretty scarce and the "masters" versions I have tried didn’t really do it for me so I decided it was time I tried the new 188/30 women’s skis to see if they could indeed be a possible option for ageing wannabee Masters racers like myself, particularly having seen how some of our U18 athletes were able to make them work. 

 

One of the things I usually stress is that in order to properly evaluate a race ski, you need to ski it in gates.  Unfortunately I was only able to get gate time with 2 of these but I believe my experiences can be extrapolated for the other 2. 

 

Volkl Speedwall GS

First surprise with this ski was when I checked it with the bevel meter, it actually came with a good 1/3 tune out of the plastic, which surprised me!  It meant preparation was minimal, just mount and wax.   Looking at the skis, a definite early rise in the tip (as all of these have to some extent).    First time out with them, I skied down to the course with a bundle of gates and my Blizzards. Swapped over to the Blizzards and made 2 runs on a 28m set training course. I then swapped over to the Volkl and made another 4 runs in the course.  First  impressions:  turn-in was remarkably easy, much better and smoother initiation than a comparable 27m ski.  Nice smooth flex, none of that horrible metallic sound on the snow that you used to get with Volkl race skis, and much easier to ski in gates than I had anticipated.  It did require some adjustments.  Forced me to round out the turn a bit more (I have a bad tendency to go too direct at the gate or at least 50/50 it) but if you rolled it up on a high edge and stepped on it, the ski really came round.  Despite the softer flex there was no letting go in the turn or wash-out in the tip.  Biggest surprise however came from looking at the (Freelap) watch. After 3 runs I was consistently matching the times I had been setting on my Blizzards!!!???? even though it didn’t feel as fast.  Hmmm, beginners luck???  So, time to try again.   I went back out in the afternoon with some of our U16s on a 26-27m set training course, and left the Blizzards in the race shack.    Being a bit more analytical about it this time, I realized that the ski was actually forcing me to take a better line.  You really have to get it up on edge and stand on it and then it really accelerates through the turn (yeah, I know I should be doing that all the time but doesn’t always happen :( ).  By doing this I was also driving the inside hip forward better and getting a better feeling of the tip of the ski hooking up.  Coaches/teammates/observers confirmed my subjective feelings.  I was getting a higher, cleaner line and carrying better speed through the turn.  Even elicited the approval of our head coach who knows well my straight and late tendencies!   Hmm, definitely something to think about!!

 

Head World Cup Rebel GS

I have not spent much time on Heads in recent years.  Last Head I owned was a 165 slalom which for me was waaay too heavy and clunky.  However they do appear to be making some really good GS skis these days!  Flexing the ski surprised me.  Much softer than I had expected (I thought they would have been stiffer!). Skiing down to the course, felt really nice.  Again, easy turn initiation, belieing the radius.   Into the course, 27m set, and lets see what they can do.  Wow, hook up and turn in well, hold on through the turn, no tip weakness and really good feel of the ski all the way from the tip to the middle of the boot.  Amazingly easy to ski in gates considering the specs!  Again, rewards the same technique as the Volkl, early high edge angle and drive from the hip, but really comes across the hill and great snow feel.  Wasn’t running timing but definitely didn’t feel like I was giving up anything on them.    Later the same day I made a few runs in a 26m set and was comfortably able to make it through the course with a high line. 

 

Atomic Redster WC GS

Didn’t get the chance to run this in gates.  However I have spent some time on it putting it through its paces and have been able to use it in varied conditions.  Out of the box it came with a good 1/2 tune (not a 1/3 as I had expected from Atomic).  I skied it like this initially and then reset to 1/3.  This ski has less early rise than either the Head or the Volkl.  It displays similar characteristics in the way it needs to be skied as you might expect.  However it definitely wants to hook up and dive into the turn more aggressively than the previous two.  Noticeably so.  This could be good or bad depending on your style but IMHO is just one of the fine-tuning adjustments you need to make.  On real hard-pack it holds on like a sailor on your sister.  None of these are deficient in grip but if I was racing on the ice coast, this might be the preferred tool.    Again, a smooth ride and great acceleration through the turn if you set up properly.   I tried a few runs with the binding moved forward from 4 to 3 but preferred it on 4.  Another excellent ski.

 

Fischer WC GS

I spent the least time on this ski but did make several runs on it.  Overall feel, felt like the stiffest/dampest of the bunch.  Again more commonalities than differences though.  Easy turn in, great grip, smooth ride and strong acceleration.

 

Overall Thoughts

I have been very pleasantly surprised by these skis!   The manufacturers have put a huge amount of R&D effort into getting them right and it really shows.  It also emphasizes that the most critical element is flex rather than nominal radius.  I have now spent quite a bit more time on the Volkl and the Atomic and continue to be impressed.  My Masters team mates have also been using them (I seem to have grown a demo fleet :( ) and coming to similar conclusions.

 

The other aspect that sways me to these rather than the previous 27m men’s versions is that with these I can still make mid-line adjustments and (frequent) recoveries when required.  On the 27m skis I found I could be faster provided I was clean, but my skill level was not sufficient to be able to make recoveries so easily so I was ultimately slower in the course!

 

The similarities between the skis are much greater than the differences, which are relatively minor.  They all reward early pressure, high edge angles and drive the ski.   For me they definitely force me to improve my line, and have helped me drive my hip more into the turn.  I believe I could happily race on any of these now in place of the 183/25 and the plan is to switch for next season.   I still own the Volkl and the Atomic but really want to try the Blizzard version before I make a final choice.  I was actually considering using the Volkls for our final Far West GS race of the season but since I still required a podium to clinch the championship I decided to stick with the current Blizzard set up.

 

So, in conclusion.  For a reasonable Masters skier the 188/30 FIS ski makes a very good option!  Much more so than I would have ever expected.  IMHO 30 is definitely the new 23!

 

Edit:  i have since added reviews of the 188/30 and 183/30 FIS skis from Stockli  at 

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/127503/a-tale-of-3-stocklis-fis-gs-183-30-188-30-and-laser-sx-190-27

 

and also further down in this thread

 

The Fleet!

 

 


Edited by ScotsSkier - 4/13/14 at 4:39pm
post #2 of 28

Congrats on your season, and great work with the reviews. Very informative. Great stuff. 

post #3 of 28

Ray:

 

Nice job on this. If you'd like to compare 83>30 vs 88>30 we have a couple 2015 options available. Assuming you can find any snow that's hard enough to ski 'em on.

 

SJ

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What is this second number? Stiffness? The 30?
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What is this second number? Stiffness? The 30?

30 is the radius Sib

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Ray:

 

Nice job on this. If you'd like to compare 83>30 vs 88>30 we have a couple 2015 options available. Assuming you can find any snow that's hard enough to ski 'em on.

 

SJ

 Thanks Jim, that would be great.  I could pick them up tomorrow if that would work.  We have a 06.30 load at rose on Saturday so best chance for some hard snow

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Oh, I forgot one other thing about these, they look skinny!!!  Especially so the volkls given the graphics.   I was riding the lift with a guy and he says "these are really old skis, i used to have a pair of Volkl P9s same as these!!!"  :D

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 Thanks Jim, that would be great.  I could pick them up tomorrow if that would work.  We have a 06.30 load at rose on Saturday so best chance for some hard snow


Ray: I just realized as I was typing this that I don't have a 183 in the Stockli (do have a 188). A couple of the companies are thinking about not even shipping the 183>30. We have gotten Heads and Fischers as well and I think we have both sizes in one or the other of those.Let me make sure they are there and not out on some young-un. I'm off work today but will be going into town this afternoon and I'll stop in and check. Better send me your phone # by PM and I'll call you when I've checked........probly 3-3:30.

 

SJ

post #9 of 28

Very interesting. Thanks for the reviews.

 Uvo vibration absorber on the shovel of the Volkl make any difference?

 

Does the double deck give the Atomic a different feel for the snow compared to the others?

Curious about your thoughts on the squarish tip designs of Dynastar, Nordica and are they sticking with those for next year?

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Great review, SS.

I know Fischer GS skis come either medium or stiff on the flex. Which one did you ski?... Also, have you tried the Stöckli FIS Laser GS? I love my '13 Lasers in 180/23... As SJ brought up, I was also wondering whether you or your teammates have tried 183/30 before settling on 188.
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Ray: I just realized as I was typing this that I don't have a 183 in the Stockli (do have a 188). A couple of the companies are thinking about not even shipping the 183>30. We have gotten Heads and Fischers as well and I think we have both sizes in one or the other of those.Let me make sure they are there and not out on some young-un. I'm off work today but will be going into town this afternoon and I'll stop in and check. Better send me your phone # by PM and I'll call you when I've checked........probly 3-3:30.

 

SJ

 Will do Jim.  Not too surprised if they start dropping the 183s.  The feedback I have got on the mens GS skis is that the 190s are stiffer and harder to ski than the the 195s.  feels like they have just taken the exact same construction and scaled it down slightly.  Haven't tried them so still hearsay at the moment

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Very interesting. Thanks for the reviews.

 Uvo vibration absorber on the shovel of the Volkl make any difference?

 

Does the double deck give the Atomic a different feel for the snow compared to the others?

Curious about your thoughts on the squarish tip designs of Dynastar, Nordica and are they sticking with those for next year?

 UVO seems to work, no vibration issues from the tip which is good considering the early rise.  Buttery smooth but great grip

 

Hard to say about the D2, it has always felt good on all the Atomics I have skiewd.  The 2012 and 2013 Blizzard full suspension is very similar concept.  I had heard it felt dead compared to the previous 2011 Blizzard but wasn't an issue IMHO

 

Don't know about the 2015 plans.  the square tip works well on Blizzard and on the Dynastar (I had the 185/27 and the 182/23)

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Great review, SS.

I know Fischer GS skis come either medium or stiff on the flex. Which one did you ski?... Also, have you tried the Stöckli FIS Laser GS? I love my '13 Lasers in 180/23... As SJ brought up, I was also wondering whether you or your teammates have tried 183/30 before settling on 188.

 

 

Medium Flex.  Haven't tried Stockli yet.  Aloo haven't tried the 183/30 but the 190/35 is reputedly not as easy to ski as the 195/35

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Great review, SS.

I know Fischer GS skis come either medium or stiff on the flex. Which one did you ski?... Also, have you tried the Stöckli FIS Laser GS? I love my '13 Lasers in 180/23... As SJ brought up, I was also wondering whether you or your teammates have tried 183/30 before settling on 188.

 

 

Medium Flex.  Haven't tried Stockli yet.  Aloo haven't tried the 183/30 but the 190/35 is reputedly not as easy to ski as the 195/35

Will be interesting to hear about the 183's.

So how, and someone has to ask it, do these 188/30's compare to a 180's cheater? For say new masters racers or just free skiing which would you recommend?


Edited by Tog - 4/10/14 at 3:49pm
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Thanks for the reviews.

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Will be interesting to hear about the 183's.

So how, and someone has to ask it, do these 188/30's compare to a 180's cheater? For say new masters racers or just free skiing which would you recommend?

 

Hmm, good point!  I have to think about this a bit!   As you know I am not much of a fan of cheaters for Masters GS courses  which are normally set to full USSA/FIS  specs and @ 28m +.     I have seen too many people come into our program thinking they are the way to go and then after a few days in gates finding that they start double turning and taking too much of a Z-line and often skidding the ski more.  They can be useful in getting an introduction  to gates but I strongly believe they are counterproductive in terms of technique and line over the longer term.  I recognize there are different views on this but my experience so far supports this.

 

What makes your question interesting is that in the past I would have steered people towards a 183ish women's ski (or even a 183/27 which based on some of the skis I have seen the only difference is the top sheet radius marking!!!) as the next option (depending of course on age/ability/weight but thinking of the typical new Master in the 40-50 age range that has reasonable skiing skills).  However I do not have quite enough experience yet with the new radius FIS skis to give guidance on whether it could be a straight alternative or whether it should be a progression through something like a 180/21 or 185/23 Rossi Masters ski or the Atomic version of the same.  :rolleyes   My teammates that have tried the new ski (and several of whom have now bought it!) do have race experience.   I need to get some of our newer racers to try it to get a more objective view.  What i would say however is that the new radius ski definitely helps drive you towards better technique which is a plus.  It also seems to give a smoother ride, due to the flex I guess. This was brought home to me over the last couple of days when I was on my 191/27 Blizzard (my buddies were only 188s) and while this is an excellent ski I noticed more that i was having to work harder and getting bounced about a bit more than I had realized before.  For fast free skiing I think the new ski is actually more rewarding.  I find it really gives you a great feeling of bringing the ski across the hill under you with your upper body facing down the hill as you start to move into the new turn.  I am probably not describing this too well but for me it was one of these light bulb moments.  Of course it also takes a little bit more effort to just throw them sideways like you can with the 183/23. 

 

So that is a definite maybe for the time being I'm afraid.  :)  I will try to get some more data points and update. An excellent question though!

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Curious bout couple of things:

 

1) Do you think that these all are a bit softer than previous years, to compensate for the shallower sidecut?

 

2) Given that they're available in dimensions fairly close to your Blizzies, and seem to run the same plates, what were the reasons the Masters skis didn't do it for you? Was it an issue of feel and handling, or did they produce slower times, or have you decided that you prefer the wider radius? 

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 So that is a definite maybe for the time being I'm afraid.  :)  I will try to get some more data points and update. An excellent question though!

 

I had been thinking about trying to find a woman's 183/23 for free skiing, especially when snow is old or only groomers are still open. Suddenly the current 188/30 or 183/30 possibly might make more sense, and be more available.  Will look forward to your further comments on these skis. 

 

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What i would say however is that the new radius ski definitely helps drive you towards better technique which is a plus.  It also seems to give a smoother ride, due to the flex I guess. This was brought home to me over the last couple of days when I was on my 191/27 Blizzard (my buddies were only 188s) and while this is an excellent ski I noticed more that i was having to work harder and getting bounced about a bit more than I had realized before.  For fast free skiing I think the new ski is actually more rewarding.  I find it really gives you a great feeling of bringing the ski across the hill under you with your upper body facing down the hill as you start to move into the new turn.

 

This sounds really promising, a big deal. Thanks.


Edited by ski otter - 4/11/14 at 4:01pm
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Curious bout couple of things:

1) Do you think that these all are a bit softer than previous years, to compensate for the shallower sidecut?

2) Given that they're available in dimensions fairly close to your Blizzies, and seem to run the same plates, what were the reasons the Masters skis didn't do it for you? Was it an issue of feel and handling, or did they produce slower times, or have you decided that you prefer the wider radius? 

Hmmm, I am hesitant to use softer as it can give the wrong connotations sometime! But yes, a smoother softer flex, you can really feel the ski working from tip to middle of the boot. But they do not give up anything in grip that sometimes goes with softer.

The masters ski I tried was next years Rossi hero 185/23. It skied well but it felt like they had increased the early rise in the tip compared to this years version and I felt the "rocker" vibration from the tip more than I would like. I checked with my Rossi race rep and he was pretty sure it hadn't been changed from this years but it feltmorepronounced. I will say there have been a lot of far west masters on them this season. It is a good ski, just I preferred the feel of the 188s. In reality though neither would be a bad choice.

SJ has kindly set me up with some stocklis to try tomorrow so will be interesting to see how they compare and will update
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I had been thinking about trying to find a woman's 183/23 for free skiing, especially when snow is old or only groomers are still open. Suddenly the current 188/30 or 183/30 possibly might make more sense, and be more available.  Will look forward to your further comments on these skis. 


This sounds really promising, a big deal. Thanks.

No problem. I should stress though that they do require decent technique to make them work. Make sure you can flex your ankle, extend and roll it up on a high edge. For anyone that thinks short swings/ legs together is stylish, stay away from them! smile.gif
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Scots just picked up three pair of Stockli's...:popcorn

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Scots just picked up three pair of Stockli's...:popcorn

I bet none of them were cheaters were they?

 

Did this guy come in after Scott?

 

post #23 of 28

Ray picked up a FIS GS-183>30, 188>30 and FIS SX- 190>27 (I guess the 190 might be called a cheater). Many of the younger racers seem to think that the 188 is easier than the 183 we'll see what he thinks.

 

SJ

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Is it a myth that skis come stiffer as they go up in length? If not, how do they make longer skis stiffer exactly? Do they just use way thicker would core to compensate for the increase in length?
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^^^^ Can go both ways. Once the laminates are determined for the design size, then those become a given. The core thickness is the best way to proportion the overall stiffness according to the length. The core thickness does not need to vary much at all in order to affect the flex. It can be and occasionally is done in other ways but they are generally not as  cost effective.

 

SJ

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Ray picked up a FIS GS-183>30, 188>30 and FIS SX- 190>27 (I guess the 190 might be called a cheater). Many of the younger racers seem to think that the 188 is easier than the 183 we'll see what he thinks.

 

SJ


Excellent.  Waiting eagerly for the report back...

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Stockli review at 

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/127503/a-tale-of-3-stocklis-fis-gs-183-30-188-30-and-laser-sx-190-27

 and repeated here to try to keep it together now i have worked out how to edit the thread title!  

 

A tale of 3 Stocklis.....FIS GS 183 & 188 and Laser SX 190

 

Skis Tested

Stockli WC GS 183 >30

Stockli WC GS 188 >30

Stockli Laser SX 190 >27

All mounted with Atomic race plate and Salomon (Atomic) X16 Bindings, tuned at 0.5/3

 

 

Tester stats; 59 y/o; 165#, 5'8", 50-100days/year, experienced masters racer

 

Test Conditions;  (very) Early morning hardpack

 

Following up on my recent tests of the new FIS women’s GS skis, SJ and Philpug made available a trio of Stocklis to try for comparison.  By a lucky chance Mt Rose was doing a 6.30 early load for the top 20 season pass-holders so there was at least a chance of getting some hard snow to put them to the test.  Was going to be interesting as I was A Stockli virgin!  Incidentally all the test skis from Starthaus came with an excellent 0.5/3 tune, which checked out on my bevel meter.

 

Stockli WC GS 188>30

On the lift at 6.34 am with this ski first.  Now I am used to early loads but normally I am toting gates or setting up rope lines for training so not too much chance to enjoy the empty mountain. In this instance though, nothing to do but enjoy an empty hill  (well, not quite empty, there were just 3 of us on the hill for the first hour!).  Pointing them down the hill and letting them rip, a few things immediately became apparent.  These skis were beautifully damped and gave a smooth ride even over frozen groomer tracks, they hooked up and turned in easily and they stuck to the early morning hardpack/refreeze like dog crap on your shoe!.     With the mountain basically to myself I was able to really open them up and feel them out.  It was easy to vary the turn shape and the smoothness, combined with tenacious grip inspired huge confidence to really get them up on edge with big angles.    After a couple of runs I noticed that they were turning in almost too easily and it looked like the binding mount was quite far forward on the ski, so I moved the binding form center (4) position, back one notch to 5.  For me this felt even better, felt like I was more on the sweet spot and could really work the tip.  It smoothed the turn entry better for my taste but still hooked up great and just let me rip the hill top to bottom.  Super G turns, tight across the hill GS turns, nothing seemed to make them let go.      The guy I was skiing with kept arriving at the lift a couple of minutes after me.  Finally he asked, "How is it that you just seem to stay glued to the snow when I am sliding around and getting bumped everywhere???" 

 

Later in the morning i was able to take a few runs on a shorter 30m course.   the snow was getting softer but i was still able to simply power through and drive the ski into a good high line. 

 

So, very smooth, grippy ski.  Obviously demands good technique to roll the ski up onto a high edge to make it work but very rewarding and a great ride even on groomer marked refreeze.  Impressive. 

 

 

Stockli WC GS 183 >30

Okay,  after finding no speed limit on the 188s, how would the little sister 183s perform?  Opening them up, immediately apparent that they are very closely related.  All the same characteristics as the 188, no immediately obvious differences.  But inquiring minds (and mine!) wanted to understand whether there were any pluses/minuses  to the smaller ski so after 2 Mach speed blasts without issue, time to dig a bit deeper.  Tightening up into 20-25 m GS turns across the hill started to show a slightly different feel.  Where on the 188 you could really work the tip of the ski into the turn, I could see that I was skiing the 183 more like the previous generation 182/23.  It encouraged a slightly straighter "Z" type line down the hill rather than what I call an "inverted J" shape.  The ride was a little less smooth, slightly choppier and I felt I might be on the upper end weight limit for it at 165#.    BUT I must stress that we are talking small differences here.  It in no way felt like I was overpowering it or that I was having to slow down to allow for it and if I focused I could still easily get it into whatever turn shape I wanted.    However, looking dispassionately at the two I definitely preferred the 188.  Just that bit smoother overall with no discernable downside.  if I had not tried them back-to-back probably would not have noticed and I could comfortable race Masters GS  and/or free ski on either of them but for me the 188 has the edge in smoothness and marginally better turn shape for me.    i played with the binding position at 4 (center) then moved it back to 5 as on the 188.  5 worked better for me again.

 

Stockli Laser SX 190 >27

Not being totally au fait with the Stockli line-up I believe this is intended as the "supercross ski".  It uses the dimensions of the previous men’s FIS ski@ 190, >27.  Looking at it it is a big beefy ski, with a lot of metal in it  (SJ or PP can perhaps verify but IIRC it has an extra layer in it?).  I will be honest and say I was actually wondering to myself if I was big/strong enough to drive this ski???!!! but, no way out now!  Fortunately snow was still hard but hill was getting busy, there must have ben at least 10 people spread over the mountain!  .  So onto the test route and point them down, hoping I could bend them and turn them.    First surprise.  They moved into the turn easily without having to make any exaggerated movements!.  Second surprise:  I was comfortably driving them back and fore across the hill in gig GS and SG turns!  OK, lets see what happens when you point them down - now all that metal works for its living and really lets the ski ride over mini death cookies, groomer tracks etc. withy ease!.  A veritable freight train but unlike a freight train, and amazingly given the beefy construction, I could still change direction easily and adjust my line as required.  Almost made me feel like I would be capable of running the Rahlves Banzai if I was on these!  Amazingly easy to ski as well, not at all the hard work I had thought they might be.  If you want to really rip high-speed groomers, run a banzai/supercross course and are less concerned about running gates, this is the ski to aspire to.  I didn’t get the chance to take it into the course but my feel was that, despite the smaller radius, I would have to work a bit harder to make the gates on this than on the other 2 skis.  YMMV. 

 

Overall, this may have been my first Stockli experience but it has whetted my appetite  and hopefully will not be my last.  One of my closest rivals in Far West class 7 this year was running Stocklis and I can well understand now how he pushed me so hard.  Definitely on my short list for next season now.   Like most people I had always thought Stocklis were super expensive and well outwith the ScotsSkier race ski budget parameters.  However, looking at the inclusive price with bindings, it is actually much more competitive than I had expected.  Compared to any other top class FIS GS ski with bindings the price  delta is only of the order of ~$100.  Hmmm.  Of  course given the more limited numbers of them, supported deals other than racer price will be harder to come by.  I do fully expect to see some of them this season though on the feet of some of the really competitive U18/FIS kids.

 

So hopefully this sheds some more light on things. 


Edited by ScotsSkier - 4/13/14 at 4:38pm
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Told you guys... the 195 35 aren't that bad, and the 188 30 are the new hot skis :rolleyes
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EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Is 30 the new 23?? Short reviews of New FIS women’s GS skis from Atomic, Volkl, Head, Fischer and Stockli