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post #121 of 136

Yes we had the Butter and it works well. Did not have the reapplying though. At some point not much works.

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post #122 of 136

Rain X... the one run wonder.

post #123 of 136
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Yes we had the Butter and it works well. Did not have the reapplying though. At some point not much works.

 

Perhaps y'all were well enough buttered yourselves at that point.

post #124 of 136
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Yeah. When it's like that it's like that. In another thread @4ster
 posted that he likes Dominator's "Butter," "reapplied often," in those conditions, and I concur that it is minor magic. Have you tried that? Since it's rub-on you really don't go through it all that fast. I've had my $40 block for two years and it's only about 25% gone. I figure $5 a year for minor magic is worth it.

What do we mean by "reapplied often"? The Dominator website (be careful) does not suggest that one is dominantly buttering one's skis every few runs, but rather that this is an on bench type application.

http://www.dominatorwax.com/products/butter
post #125 of 136
What we mean is a lot. Every run would be great. Didn't see much on that web page. We didn't really rub it in- cork it, nor brush it out. That would help too. A high fluoro melt on scraped and brushed with Butter over it would be good.
When snow is that sticky you'll try everything if it's available.
post #126 of 136
That's what I figured. Could be worth trying just for the questions.

"Hey, what's that?"

"Dominator Butter"

"What's it for?"

[looks disapprovingly]

Alternatively to the point of this thread, that more center(ish) mounted long(ish) rocker/low(ish) splay ski type does allow you to really sit on all that tail without wearing you out too much And then you just fall down (DNF) in the fast spots and when that gets old you stop in at 6th Alley and act like you are having a great time.
post #127 of 136
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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post

Yeah. When it's like that it's like that. In another thread @4ster
 posted that he likes Dominator's "Butter," "reapplied often," in those conditions, and I concur that it is minor magic. Have you tried that? Since it's rub-on you really don't go through it all that fast. I've had my $40 block for two years and it's only about 25% gone. I figure $5 a year for minor magic is worth it.

What do we mean by "reapplied often"? The Dominator website (be careful) does not suggest that one is dominantly buttering one's skis every few runs, but rather that this is an on bench type application.

http://www.dominatorwax.com/products/butter

 

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What we mean is a lot. Every run would be great. Didn't see much on that web page. We didn't really rub it in- cork it, nor brush it out. That would help too. A high fluoro melt on scraped and brushed with Butter over it would be good.
When snow is that sticky you'll try everything if it's available.

 

I am not some kind of an expert on this. And I'm certainly not talking racing here. When I've used it I've started off with layer of some kind of LF hot base wax (like Swix LF 10) applied at home the night before. After brushing that out thoroughly (still on the bench, just because it's easier), I crayon on an even but very light layer of Butter. (Why light, other than it being expensive? Answer, because I'm not going to be doing a lot of hard brushing, and I don't want to negate the structure with a thick layer of wax. Plus corking thick wax doesn't really work.) Then I cork it in, then I brush lightly with a hair brush. Out on the hill I do another rub / cork (and sometimes brush) again at lunch time. Sometimes if it's REALLY bad I might do it twice during the day. Or switch to a different pair of skis that's ready to go.

post #128 of 136
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Rain X... the one run wonder.

Have you really tried it under your skis? Just love that stuff on my car windows ( and in the shower!)

post #129 of 136
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( and in the shower!)

Well, now my morbid curiosity is piqued.
post #130 of 136
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Well, now my morbid curiosity is piqued.

:D Are you really sure you want to know?

post #131 of 136
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Have you really tried it under your skis? 

 

Yes I have... it's been a while though.. used to bring some for spring touring if there was non-isothermic snow on a day moving above freezing. The shower stuff... not touching it. :)

post #132 of 136

You use it for shower glass. Maybe mogsie's waxing his bod with it?

 

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Alternatively to the point of this thread, that more center(ish) mounted long(ish) rocker/low(ish) splay ski type does allow you to really sit on all that tail without wearing you out too much And then you just fall down (DNF) in the fast spots and when that gets old you stop in at 6th Alley and act like you are having a great time.

I don't see how sitting on a ski with more tail is less tiring than one with less taill. It's all sitting back. What I would think would be tiring is the center mounted ski's wanting to rotate around the center. Ie, less shovel.

 

However, you have a lot of ish's in there.

post #133 of 136
I think it is more shape along with the length. With a good amount of low splay in the tail you can wheelie it up just a bit with heel pressure in a centered stance and ride the splay. The full wood core (using the Soul Rider as an example) means the tail is back there and doesn't just fold, and the twin tip means the tail itself is totally out of the way so you can still smear it in this stance without hookiness.

The tail of the SR.



And the shovel:



I think compared to say a squared off flat tailed ski, it is fairly obvious which one would lend itself better. You don't buy a ski for this crap, but I do think it is relevant enough to consider in the context of the OP and better than images of Moogsie in the shower with Rain-X.
post #134 of 136
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I don't see how sitting on a ski with more tail is less tiring than one with less taill. It's all sitting back. What I would think would be tiring is the center mounted ski's wanting to rotate around the center. Ie, less shovel.

 

However, you have a lot of ish's in there.

Shower glass, fiber glass, tiles,... stay clean longer...

post #135 of 136
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Originally Posted by NayBreak View Post

I think it is more shape along with the length. With a good amount of low splay in the tail you can wheelie it up just a bit with heel pressure in a centered stance and ride the splay. The full wood core (using the Soul Rider as an example) means the tail is back there and doesn't just fold, and the twin tip means the tail itself is totally out of the way so you can still smear it in this stance without hookiness.

The tail of the SR.



And the shovel:



I think compared to say a squared off flat tailed ski, it is fairly obvious which one would lend itself better. You don't buy a ski for this crap, but I do think it is relevant enough to consider in the context of the OP and better than images of Moogsie in the shower with Rain-X.

Do you ski your Soul Riders center mounted ?
post #136 of 136
I ski my Rocker2 92's at -2cm from center, which is the factory all mountain mount. MTSkull has a good writeup on that ski going back to -3 or -4cm.

In reading the various reviews on this ski design, be that the Rocker2 series (the 92, 108), Soul Rider, ON3P Jeffrey, etc., the designs seem to be dialed in around +3 or so from traditional or -4 or so from center. And the reviewers make a point to say that the ski works at that recommended mount point, and doesn't tend to work at all if you move it.

I think my next ski is going to be the SR in a 185, which I understand measures by tape pull at 182.5. A little more shovel out front vs the R2, shorter radius, 6mm more waist, 3 cm longer ski overall. Profile of the Rocker2.

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