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Remount bindings on Rossignol Experience 88

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

I walked into the REI's sale looking for some camping gear and saw a used E88 with Look PX 10 bindings in excellent condition leaning against the wall with a ridiculously super low price. So I walked out with it and completely forgot about the camping stuffs. :)

 

The bindings are mounted with 307mm BSL - this fits my old boots actually. My current boots are 297mm and I couldn't move the heels toward any more to fit them.

 

If I'm to remount these, can I just have the shop do the heels or it will be both toes and heels? How much difference would it make if only the heels were moved? more responsive, less float?

 

I may try to ski these with my old boots once before remount but want to check before I take them to the shop.

 

I just got a pair of Prophet 98 a couple weeks ago too.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 13

I buy used skis every so often and do try and find pairs that have been mounted for the same or smaller bsl, as I do not like to have plugged holes in front of my toe mount.

 

If you move only the heel mount forward you may be forward of the recommended line by about a quarter of an inch. You need to read up on that skis recommended mounting position and determine if the more forward mount is going to be an issue.  (It should not be a big difference)

 

Without seeing where the mid point of the 297 boot is with the toes in, it is impossible for me to recommend a solution to you.  You may want to remount both the toes and heels so your centered better, but then you need to be careful how close the new holes are to the old.

 

Wish I could be more helpful.  In your shoes I think I would just move the heels up.  If that sucks, then new bindings that allow the proper mount with room for the new holes.

post #3 of 13
You can move just the toe or heal, it will just mean having a different mount point. It could be good or bad depending on how you ski. I had K2 Extremes mounted for my old boots at the recommended mount point. When I got new smaller boots I just had the heel moved forward which was good because I ski switch (backwards) more than I used to. 10mm probably won't be a huge difference, but it will be noticeable. Since I don't know your skiing style or the place they are currently mounted or anything else, I would recommend you take them to the shop and ask the shop guy for advice. Tell him how you ski, and maybe even show him another of your pairs of skis so he can see where they're mounted, since that's what you're used to.
post #4 of 13

As REI is a ski shop and has all the tools needed to do a re-mount, I'd just have them do a rear binding only remount. As difference in the mid-point is only 5 mm more forward, which is about 1/5 of an inch, there should be no noticeable difference in ski performance. As they are the narrower part of a 2 ski quiver and used on harder snow, the more forward position should help, a little, on hard snow. Your technique plays a big role in how the ski performs using the whole length of the edge.

 

I've had the same heel only adjustment done in the past, and, the skis performed fine. 

post #5 of 13
I would do a whole remount. Having your boots offcenter just to not put holes in the ski doesn't make a ton of sense. It will make a difference in how they ski. If you were going -1cm it would make more sense, but mounting +1 is rarely a good idea. The ski is metal so binding rip out isn't a huge concern.
You could also put a plate on the ski.
Edited by clink83 - 4/11/14 at 7:29am
post #6 of 13

I disagree with the idea that mounting +1 is rarely a good idea.  I ski my MX88 1cm forward (they're mounted with demo binders) as do several others.  I'm sure lots of people ski their boards at +1 as well.  

 

You wouldn't want a powder oriented ski at +1 as powder boards are most often mounted on the line or back a bit, but having a harder snow ski forward will just make it turn a bit quicker.  That can be a good thing!

 

Just move the heel forward and make sure its mounted with the binding toward the front (not all the way forward though) of the heel track.  That way if you want to move the toe later you can just slide the heel back and it should fit your boot without remounting the heel itself.  It can't be all the way forward or you won't be able to adjust the forward pressure.

 

Mike

 

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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

I wod do a whole remount. Having your boots forward or back a whole cm just to not put holes in the ski doesn't make sense. It will make a difference in how they ski. If you were going -1cm it would make more sense, but mounting +1 is rarely a good idea. The ski is metal so binding rip out isn't a huge concern.
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thank you all for the help. I put in boots (307mm) and it looks like they were mounted about ~1cm forward according to the line in on the boot and the center line on the skis.

 

I then put in the 297mm boots and slided it back to align with the heel and it's about .5cm forward.

 

I will probably use the E88 mostly on groomers so I think I'll talk to REI and them remount the toe only. That way I will be a bit forward but closer to the center than the original mount.

 

I checked the P98 and they are right on the center mark.

post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by dupersc View Post

Thank you all for the help. I put in boots (307mm) and it looks like they were mounted about ~1cm forward according to the line in on the boot and the center line on the skis.



 



I then put in the 297mm boots and slided it back to align with the heel and it's about .5cm forward.



 



I will probably use the E88 mostly on groomers so I think I'll talk to REI and them remount the toe only. That way I will be a bit forward but closer to the center than the original mount.



 



I checked the P98 and they are right on the center mark.

 



When you say 'center mark' you mean the recommended mount point, correct? For most skis, that is a ways back from true center. Only some park skis (and twin tip pow skis) have recommended mount point at true center. If you want them mounted at the recommended point, do NOT tell REI you want them mounted at 'center', or you'll end up with a mount point ideal only for fairly symmetrical twin tips. The guys at REI will be familiar with the differences between true center, recommended mount point, etc, so you can ask them to explain the differences in person if you want a better explanation.
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks Sh4d0w, when I put the boots into the p98, the line in the middle of the skis lines up with the arrow on the outside of boot. I always thought it's the center of the skis. smile.gif

I'll take it to the shop and talk to them.
post #10 of 13
That line on the ski is the manufacturers recommended mount point of the ski. It's not typically the ski center unless they are symmetrical twin tips which are often mounted dead center.

Mike
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Originally Posted by dupersc View Post

Thanks Sh4d0w, when I put the boots into the p98, the line in the middle of the skis lines up with the arrow on the outside of boot. I always thought it's the center of the skis. smile.gif

I'll take it to the shop and talk to them.
post #11 of 13

Are you certain you can't adjust the heels enough to get the correct forward pressure with your new, smaller boots without remounting?  Assuming the bindings were initially mounted correctly for a 307bsl, you should be able to slide those heels up 10mm for your new boots and still have the correct forward pressure.  You'd still be effectively mounted ~0.5cm forward from where you were before, but without having to redrill.  Also ask the shop to confirm the mounting location.  If I mount on the recommended line, the midsole mark on my boot looks like it's a little forward or aft -- can't remember which -- of the line even if the mount was done on the line for my bsl.  Moving up the heels only is fine to give you an effective +0.5cm mount, but +1.5cm may feel a bit too forward if they were already drilled at +1.  But if you can simply slide up the heels on the track without remounting, then ski them like that first, see how you like it, and decide where to go from there.

post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 

The current heel track position is all the way in and that fits a 307mm boot fine. On a 297mm boot, it's very loose. So you're right, it might not have been mounted for 307mm boots and probably was for a bigger size.

post #13 of 13

Sounds like the original mount may be for 315-320ish bsl then.  Might be best off moving the toes back 1-1.5 cm so you're not too forward of the recommended line.  That said, I would have no issue at +1 on that ski.  But before doing anything, perhaps use a paper template for the PX/Axial2 to try and determine the original mount bsl and location relative to the recommended line and then make your decision based off that.

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