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12/13 Stockli Laser GS Skis 180cm (non-Fis) w/ FF16 Bindings

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SOLD--THANKS ski otter !!!!!!! 12/13 Stockli Laser GS Skis (non-Fis) with Head Free Flex 16 Race Bindings. 115/68/96 with 18.2 meter radius. The Head FF (din 5-16) bindings are mounted on a Head Speedplate 13 plate that is pre-drilled to allow adjusting for different boot sole lengths without having to re-drill the ski itself. These skis have seen very little use and are in excellent condition. They have been treated to full race tune from Precision Ski in Frisco, Co. They are set to .7 degree base and 3 degree side angles. Custom 'GS' structure. Bases have only a couple very very

light scratches. Top sheets very clean. Lots of edge and base life remains. Asking $525. cash with local pickup in Dillon, Co. (Summit County). Shipping available (carefully packed) and Paypal at actual additional cost.                                                           Dawgcatching has a recent review about this model and length of Stockli Laser GSs.

 

Stockli Laser GS (non FiS) 180cm

 

I don’t think this ski has changed much from previous years.  Skied in 180cm: 18m radius, fairly stiff flex.  

 

Quick review: did 2 laps: a series of steep bumps, the rest groomers. The ski was surprisingly nimble in the bumps!  I followed a friend down a steep bump line (he is an excellent bump skier, grew up in the East) and stayed with him the whole time. The key on this ski is dorsi-flexion and pushing those tips down.  Once in the trough, it has a predictable flex and is easy to release.  You can’t be timid though, gotta keep the torso fall line and commit.  On groomers, it is what one would expect.  No speed limit, awesome edge hold.  It was also easy to ski, much easier than one would expect, easier than the G-Power in a shorter length.  More of a high speed cruiser than a pure race carver.  With that said, commit to the turn (a recurring theme of this ski) and watch it hurtle you across the fall line once you set those edge and load the ski.  A boat load of fun.  Not tiring whatsoever.  Easy to get your ticket pulled. 

 

Who would buy this ski: skier looking for a ripping frontside ride that is a good Master’s GS ride but also a capable freeski.  


Edited by JMD - 6/13/14 at 1:28pm
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Bump.

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hi. Is this ski still for sale?  If so, in my ignorance I'll have to ask a few questions.  (I came upon this from the Levy1 thread looking for a versatile gs ski 65-75). 

 

What is the Stockli GS ski like compared to your non FIS Atomic D2 GS 179 ski? (Is this the same as the Redster D2 that Atomicman was recommending?)

Do you use either of them on groomers, or just on courses? 

 

Why do you prefer the Atomics over the Stocklis, if I may ask?

 

My frame of reference for this ski would be that I own a pair of '09 or '10 Stormrider XXLs 179 (80 waist, ~18 r), that ski like a versatile fat gs ski, but are almost worn out now. I really like them.  I can wear racing boots with them and roll them up on edge going pretty fast, and have missed this.

I've never been on other Stockli skis. 

 

Never having demoed Stockli racing skis, I'd have to ask you about how appropriate they'd be for me. I'm 5'11" 150 lbs., 67 but have some skills. 

 

In general, my favorite skis have been Atomics, often, for their grip and flex, but might prefer Stocklis in some cases if they weren't so $ and inaccessible.

 

Also, I used gs racing skis for decades as recreational cruisers, but haven't done this in over a decade.

 

 I'd been thinking of getting something like the Dynastar Race Course Pro (more versatile?) or a pair of masters or woman's Atomic D2 gs skis (for groomer ripping, esp. early season). Neither of these skis (or ones like them) are possible for demo here in Summit area, that I've found, or I'd already have a pair.  

 

A woman I sometimes ski with at Copper has a pair of the Atomic D2 GS r23 (pre-FIS 30) woman's racing skis which she loves for recreational laps between race runs on the same skis.  I think I would enjoy that ski, even though it seems slightly confining (on turn radius esp.?)  

 

I'd appreciate your advice and any recommendations here, even it not your Stocklis. Thanks. 

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Great questions!

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Originally Posted by ski otter View Post
 

hi. Is this ski still for sale?  If so, in my ignorance I'll have to ask a few questions.  (I came upon this from the Levy1 thread looking for a versatile gs ski 65-75). Yes still available.

 

What is the Stockli GS ski like compared to your non FIS Atomic D2 GS 179 ski? (Is this the same as the Redster D2 that Atomicman was recommending?)

Do you use either of them on groomers, or just on courses? I owned a pair the first year of the Atomic D2 GS skis 179cm. I enjoyed freeskiing and Masters Racing on them. Each model year of the D2s have a little different feel to them. So I do not know exactly how the latest model feel. After a couple years on the D2s, I demoed a pair of the Stockli Laser GS 180cm skis. I found I personally prefered the quieter damper feel of the Stocklis to the Atomics. Both skis offer great edge grip. The Atomics seem to lively  bounce over the ruts compared to the Stocklis quietly driving through them. Two different flavors, each a personal choice. 

 

Why do you prefer the Atomics over the Stocklis, if I may ask? I prefer the Stocklis, Atomicman prefers the Atomics.

 

My frame of reference for this ski would be that I own a pair of '09 or '10 Stormrider XXLs 179 (80 waist, ~18 r), that ski like a versatile fat gs ski, but are almost worn out now. I really like them.  I can wear racing boots with them and roll them up on edge going pretty fast, and have missed this.

I've never been on other Stockli skis. 

 

Never having demoed Stockli racing skis, I'd have to ask you about how appropriate they'd be for me. I'm 5'11" 150 lbs., 67 but have some skills. The Stocklis are a pretty stout flexing ski (still softer than any of the Race-Stock/Masters models) with great edge grip and high speed stability. At your weight they maybe a handful. I'm 5'6" 170lbs and 62 y/o. Dawgcatching weighs 155lbs and really loves this ski. He is much stronger and younger than I am.

 

In general, my favorite skis have been Atomics, often, for their grip and flex, but might prefer Stocklis in some cases if they weren't so $ and inaccessible. Yes the Stockli skis are really high quality, but limited availability and have premium list prices like the Kastles.

 

Also, I used gs racing skis for decades as recreational cruisers, but haven't done this in over a decade.

 

 I'd been thinking of getting something like the Dynastar Race Course Pro (more versatile?) or a pair of masters or woman's Atomic D2 gs skis (for groomer ripping, esp. early season). Neither of these skis (or ones like them) are possible for demo here in Summit area, that I've found, or I'd already have a pair.  If I still have the Stockli GSs available in October, (ski sales are slow this time of year) you are very welcome to demo them early season at A-Basin. I also live in Summit County, Co.

 

A woman I sometimes ski with at Copper has a pair of the Atomic D2 GS r23 (pre-FIS 30) woman's racing skis which she loves for recreational laps between race runs on the same skis.  I think I would enjoy that ski, even though it seems slightly confining (on turn radius esp.?)  If you demo and find the Stockli or Atomic (non-Fis) skis to stiff, I'd suggest you leave the Race-Stock models alone.

 

I'd appreciate your advice and any recommendations here, even it not your Stocklis. Thanks. Quite a few choices are available for you if you are looking for a great front-side, high speed, firmer snow, narrow-waisted, carving ski. Demoing is your best option. Internet reviewers and friends are good sources for a starting point, only you can decide which skis you like Best.

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My word, thanks very much for your great comments. Sounds very interesting to me, skis I might really like. 

 

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Originally Posted by JMD View Post  I found I personally prefered the quieter damper feel of the Stocklis to the Atomics. Both skis offer great edge grip. The Atomics seem to lively  bounce over the ruts compared to the Stocklis quietly driving through them. Two different flavors, each a personal choice. 

This is an exact description of the major difference between my 178 Stockli XXLs (80) and my 178 Atomic Crimson ti's (88), aside from the waist difference. Though also, the Stocklis stay on edge with a gs type feel, rather than the carving feel of the Atomic Crimsons.

 

A last question would be why are you selling them, if I may ask? 

 

I'm still skiing A Basin (Fri. and Sun. for the next two weeks at least), but admittedly the snow is likely to be soft instead of hard enough--except possibly this Friday for the first ~hour, if the forecasts are correct (with a cold spell and possible storm on Thursday setting up harder conditions for "first chair" laps on Friday).  As yet, as of last Sunday, there was little or no rock exposure on the groomed runs, to threaten good skis.

 

I realize this is sudden, but would a demo this Friday be possible, or make sense for you? 

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If so, practical details like phone contact #s, where to meet, boot size for bindings, might make sense!

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Hi ski otter. I also skied last Friday at A-Basin. I found the early morning snow very soft/slushy and noticed quite a few spots thin on snow and the bottom runs having been harvested, narrowing the trails to half normal width, inbeding many small stones and twigs in the groomed snow. Really poor conditions for a GS type ski with the chance to deeply scratch the bases, ding the edges quite likely. I and my local ski group decided to make that our last ski day of the season. I'm sending you a PM with my number. JMD-James.

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Skis have been SOLD. Thanks ski otter !!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thanks for all your great advice, help, suggestions, encouragement, patience, and a great pair of skis in near perfect condition, as described. 

Hope to see you on the slopes next year!!

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